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Rodney

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AMNRL slam RLIF about American split

The AMNRL has written an angrily worded letter to the RLIF, clarifying its decision to fold and allow the split within American rugby league to heal.

There has been a long-running split within the American game, which revolved mainly around the way in which the international team, the USA Tomahawks, were run.

The USARL is the governing body which was set up in opposition to the AMNRL in 2011. The split between the two groups became acute following last year's Rugby League World Cup in the UK.

The decision of the AMNRL to select 'heritage' players to the exclusion of many domestcially based players angered the USARL.

Now the AMNRL has written to RLIF chairman Nigel Wood offering its point of view on the matter, as well as confirming its decision to dissolve itself.

Tellingly, it makes a pointed comment about the lack of support it received from the RLIF.

The letter, signed by AMNRL chairman Robert Balachandran reads:

"The AMNRL have, as we have said many times, no wish for the division of the game in the USA to continue. We have tried many times to find some common ground with the USARL but unfortunately to no avail.

"The AMNRL received little support from the RLIF in our attempts to unify the game domestically while the USARL maintained an active campaign to undermine the AMNRL in the media, particularly social media.

"The AMNRL last season selected the national team on a “best available eligible” player basis as a goodwill unification gesture and agreed to the creation of an independent commission this year (that the USARL was part of then reneged).

"The AMNRL put up a model to the RLIF this year which included the creation of a new National Governing Body and the granting of a licence to the USARL to conduct the domestic competition.

"The AMNRL model would have seen it continuing to fund and conduct the successful international and overseas development programs and work with the USARL on grass root development.

"The difficulty in the USA is, we see no indication from the USARL that it has any desire to be part of a shared undertaking moving forward. If we were to succeed with an application no doubt the USARL would still seek to conduct a competition away from us leaving us to either injunct them from playing or leave this gaping wound open and festering.

"In the end, the game and importantly the players will suffer.

"The six AMNRL Clubs (which arguably housed about 70% of the best domestic players in the USA) didn’t play competitively this season.

"They would have had the RLIF supported us."

The letter goes on to bemoan the decision to compel the USA Tomahawks to qualify for the next World Cup, rather than awarding them an automatic spot.

"We are proud of all we have achieved from the day David Niu grabbed some mates and started to pass a ball around to now being a top-10 ranked nation," it adds.

"We don’t want to see the game held back as it is now because of the differences of the two groups.

"We want to see the game grow domestically and for the USA Tomahawks to remain a force on the world stage.

"We don’t want to see petty jealousy impact on what we have achieved.

"We don’t want to see what just occurred in the Canadian match, where a very inexperienced Tomahawks team were cannon-fodder, be repeated.

"We played that game, a 52-14 loss, despite major reservations because of its financial importance to the Canadian Rugby League.

"If we were selfish we would have cancelled.

"If the RLIF valued our work and recognised the job we have done for the world game with the USA Tomahawks it would have supported our request in May for the AMNRL to restructure into the not for profit Rugby League Federation of America Limited with its “best governance” model supported by advisory boards comprised of good rugby league people.

"As we detailed in the previous submission to you this model would have ensured the best from both groups:

-The “whole of game” focussed AMNRL; and
-The “club focussed” USARL

"If the RLIF respected us it would have also given us the pre-qualification for the World Cup we earned in 2013 instead of finding a way to take that honour from us as it did.

"This was our one shot at finally getting a valuable sponsor in the USA but our leads from our World Cup success weren’t interested without a guarantee of television at the next World Cup.

"As we obviously don’t have the confidence of the RLIF moving forward we think it best if we do not lodge an application.

"Through us declining to apply, the split is healed."

The AMNRL do make certain requests about how the game continues to be administered in the United States.

These are:

"We ask that the RLIF at least encourages the USARL to repay this act of best faith by acting fairly in the future and not abandoning the successful international program.

"These are six requests we feel are fair for us deciding not to apply:

"1 All "AMNRL" clubs will be afforded the opportunity to enter teams into the domestic competition in 2015 provided they meet the competition guidelines;

"2 The "AMNRL" clubs applications will be treated fairly and no differently to any USARL club application;

"3 The USA Tomahawks program will be continued including the annual test to be played against Samoa in Hawaii. This test can be continue to funded and organised by the Hawaiian Rugby League and is tentatively set for June 20 next year;

"4 The USA Tomahawks will be selected on a "best available eligible player" basis. In particular the "heritage" players will not be specifically excluded from selection as has been suggested by the USARL.

"5 Joseph Paulo will remain captain of the USA Tomahawks (if fit and permitted by his club to play for the USA) and in his absence Michael Garvey (if fit and form warrants selection);

"6 Matthew Elliott will be given first offer to coach the USA Tomahawks in any matches including qualifiers for the 2017 RLWC."

The letter concludes with a statement about how sad the situation has become:

"This is a sad day for those of us who have given 18 years of our lives to get the game to where it is today but one group has to step away for the good of the game."

http://www.loverugbyleague.com/news...-about-american-split.html?utm_medium=twitter

Seems like the AMNRL tried a last ditch move to attach itself above the USARL with the Rugby League Federation of America but when that got knocked back they didn't really have much of a chance.
 

gyallop

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So there were no demands just a request but their must be a real concern that the actual letter was leaked out of the RLIF.
No shots at naming the 2/3 team?
 

Boston13s

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"The AMNRL last season selected the national team on a “best available eligible” player basis as a goodwill unification gesture

The AMNRL opted for this selection criteria because it knew this would look better from the outside but in reality they knew domestic players didn't really have a chance of a World Cup spot. They selected USARL players for World Cup warm up games v Canada, with boys paying their own way to the games. But at that stage they must have known 95% of their World Cup squad would be flying in from Australia.

"The six AMNRL Clubs (which arguably housed about 70% of the best domestic players in the USA) didn’t play competitively this season.

Why didn't the six AMNRL clubs play this season? They certainly could have organized a competition between themselves. But instead they all waited to apply to the USARL, about 10 days out from round 1. Way too late to be applying in my opinion and the reason their applications were rejected (The USARL handled this poorly in my opinion and should have made a much quicker decision on things).

"We don’t want to see what just occurred in the Canadian match, where a very inexperienced Tomahawks team were cannon-fodder, be repeated.

Where were all of the "best available eligible" players? How come lots of the World Cup squad were selected v Samoa but not for this game? I know Garvey & Shipway were playing in the USARL semis but where were the rest of the boys? If cost was an issue, why throw everything into one game (Samoa Residents) and then lose spectacularly in Canada just a few weeks later?

-The “whole of game” focussed AMNRL; and
-The “club focussed” USARL

This is laughable really. How many juniors have the AMNRL got playing regularly? How many reserve grade, minor league or u23 teams do they have? How many coaching/referee courses have they run recently?

"As we obviously don’t have the confidence of the RLIF moving forward we think it best if we do not lodge an application.

The reason they didn't apply is because they don't meet the criteria to apply. The RLIF is looking for more than just the running an international team when it is looking to award NGB status. As Ryan McGough (USARL CEO) stated previously on the thread, the USARL believes it ticks all of the boxes for RLIF membership and has submitted an application accordingly.
 

deluded pom?

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"The AMNRL model would have seen it continuing to fund and conduct the successful international and overseas development programs"

What programs would these be?


"4 The USA Tomahawks will be selected on a "best available eligible player" basis. In particular the "heritage" players will not be specifically excluded from selection as has been suggested by the USARL.
"5 Joseph Paulo will remain captain of the USA Tomahawks (if fit and permitted by his club to play for the USA) and in his absence Michael Garvey (if fit and form warrants selection);
"6 Matthew Elliott will be given first offer to coach the USA Tomahawks in any matches including qualifiers for the 2017 RLWC."


I can't believe the AMNRL still want to select the USA national team and coach from a position of utter devastation.
 

Evil Homer

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^ Apart from anything else, Matt Elliott quit as coach before the 2013 World Cup.

Baffling that they would want to continue to embarrass themselves from effectively beyond the grave. Hopefully that is the absolute last we ever hear from these people but I'm sure it won't be.
 

Steve Davy

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Where would RL in the USA have been if they had just buggered off a few years ago.

The AmNRL is made up of dedicated people and a couple of complete dickheads.
 

Evil Homer

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which is why the USARL needs to reach out to whats left of the AMNRL
In what way? They could have applied to join the competition, NOVA Eagles did and were accepted straight away, the rest of the clubs didn't because they were too stubborn and then the AMNRL as a whole purposely applied when it was too late so they could claim that they were being excluded and disrupt the competition. Hopefully we'll see the few remaining AMNRL clubs become part of the USARL structure next year, but if not then it's their own fault. I'm pretty sure all the clubs have been invited to join the USARL since day one.
 

deal.with.it

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Fairly sure the Hawaii match received Hawaii government, RLIF and other funding. I suggest players and officials (like the unemployed matt elliot) scored a free trip to the Hawaii match.
But when players had to pay their own way to canada, a depleted team was fielded (regardless if a handful playing semis).
 

clarency

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In what way? They could have applied to join the competition, NOVA Eagles did and were accepted straight away, the rest of the clubs didn't because they were too stubborn and then the AMNRL as a whole purposely applied when it was too late so they could claim that they were being excluded and disrupt the competition. Hopefully we'll see the few remaining AMNRL clubs become part of the USARL structure next year, but if not then it's their own fault. I'm pretty sure all the clubs have been invited to join the USARL since day one.

This is true.
 

FortyTwenty

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Where would RL in the USA have been if they had just buggered off a few years ago.

The AmNRL is made up of dedicated people and a couple of complete dickheads.

haahahaaa!! Steve, you crack me up mate! <cheeky grin>


TO ALL: Please let us not forget two major things:

Number 1: These six (6) AmNRL clubs, that are referred to, did only submit their application to join the USARL 2014 Championship in the 13th hour ... which was well after the transparent (and clearly communicated) deadline. Notwithstanding, I'm positive that if these clubs, individually, submit new applications for joining the USARL 2015 Championship, and they each met the minimum standards, then they'd be fairly and equitably considered.

Number 2: Please let's all not forget that the genesis of the USARL - AmNRL split in 2011 was not solely due to issues with National Team selection. Those were only the tip of the iceberg. But, the truth behind the split, was the need for "equitable participation by participant members" ... which is something that was never permitted / granted by the AmNRL leadership. [See: http://www.usarl.com/2011/01/usarl-is-formed-nine-clubs-committed/ ] In truth, it was DN who "owned" the AmNRL (corporate entity) & Tomahawks identities, and he sought (or did?) sell these to a 3rd party without any consultation of the member clubs. Within the business of sport, the players are the key stakeholders, and within any federation it is the clubs who represent those players and their interests. Not one man. Hence the USARL's core Mission Statement (circa. 2011):

"The USA Rugby League (USARL) is the Governing Body for professional administration of Rugby League Football in the USA at all levels of competition. Formed on the principles of transparency, accountability and equitable participation by its Members, it embodies the vision of professionally developing the Sport throughout America. The USARL is committed to fostering the Sport at a grassroots level with a focus on expanding the sport both in player numbers and in youth initiatives. This commitment embraces the sport at semi-professional and amateur levels in an effort to further progress Rugby League Football in the USA. The USARL is committed to a top-level competition beginning in the summer of 2011."
 

roughyedspud

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In what way? They could have applied to join the competition, NOVA Eagles did and were accepted straight away, the rest of the clubs didn't because they were too stubborn and then the AMNRL as a whole purposely applied when it was too late so they could claim that they were being excluded and disrupt the competition. Hopefully we'll see the few remaining AMNRL clubs become part of the USARL structure next year, but if not then it's their own fault. I'm pretty sure all the clubs have been invited to join the USARL since day one.

reach out in a "c'mon guys the war is over" kinda way...lets play RL
 

gyallop

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NZ (and Australian) police teams have always been fairly decent squads with a few blokes who played at a good standard.
 

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