Amone guilty.

[The Silverdale Phantom]

A summary;


Source; https://www.odpp.nsw.gov.au/preparing-court/local-court-prosecution/local-court-appeals

Here is the enactment:


source: http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdb/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/cara2001219/

So it’s an argument about evidence. The technical point they are clinging to.

The one that defies……..common sense.

If I was on the bench hearing the matter, tell you what, I’d be yawning a lot and need constant prodding to keep me awake.

Looking up and being distracted by the motion of the ceiling fans, twiddling my toes, thinking about last years holiday to Nepal and generally yearning for the defences legal gymnastics to finish after each “sentence”

Deliver my verdict “Appeal dismissed” and tally ho, and off to the ballet or wherever they go.

 

[saint-stefano]

A summary;

View attachment 83661
Source; https://www.odpp.nsw.gov.au/preparing-court/local-court-prosecution/local-court-appeals

Here is the enactment:

View attachment 83662
source: http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdb/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/cara2001219/

So it’s an argument about evidence. The technical point they are clinging to.

The one that defies……..common sense.

If I was on the bench hearing the matter, tell you what, I’d be yawning a lot and need constant prodding to keep me awake.

Looking up and being distracted by the motion of the ceiling fans, yearning for the defences legal gymnastics to finish after each “sentence”

Deliver my verdict “Appeal dismissed” and off to the ballet or wherever they go.

whos gives a shit what happens to him he farked up all his doing ...let it rest

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

whos gives a shit what happens to him he farked up all his doing ...let it rest

Yes, but If he jags ihis apoeal, he’s likely to be reinstated and he’ll be banging on Webbys door (with a hammer). I think people remain a bit interested until the fat lady has sung.

Its a legal car crash, I get that bit!

 

[saint-stefano]

then webby should come out with a sledge hammer and tell him to f off

 

[blacksafake]

Given he is appealing the decision he is not going to come out in any interview and express remorse as that would mean he is guilty. I am sure his lawyer would have stressed to him that if he talks to not say that he was sorry as that would indicate he was guilty and almost certainly scupper his appeal of the courts original decision.

Well don’t do any interviews & keep your head down.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Yep thanks, seen that now. Lawyer trying to rip some more money out of him. No win situation.

Well I thought about that too and tried to look at it from the creaking look-out of Fortress Amone:

There is at least a strong economic case for an appeal anyway. Morally and ethically, I have addressed my concerns.

In all honesty, apart from cash, he’s got nothing to lose and everything to gain by giving his appeal a run.

Because if he actually succeeds and the finding is overturned, however shameful, he’s got an argument for re-instalment and club contract somewhere.

Also don’t forget that the victims lawyers are sharpening up their pencils to sue him and pa for everything they’ve got.

Let’s say $400k of existent damage at least, roofies medicals and having to put tiles down. I will leave out his legals spent for now. A lot I’d say.

Then of course, he can get back “ what was taken away” from him, that in sum, say let’s be conservative, an average of $400k over a ten year career. So $4m.

So in sum, he might spend $80k on his appeal for the opportunity to recover at least $4.5m

That’s a very very low percentage of the whole to try to get his life back.

If he’s got the money, I suppose he would be mad not to give it a shot.


Her honour took a long time to reach a decision, her objective apart from delivering her concept of justice, is not to be successfully appealed against.

If he fails, then he can have another swing at sentencing I think. But after a warning, and he goes ahead, he could have his penalty increased.

His lawyers need to get paid like anyone else. Hopefully they are skanking him lol.

For this kind of matter, so much at stake, I’d be dragging in the cream of barristers. That might up my estimate of $80 significantly.

I’ve put up the figures for illustrative purposes only. I don’t have actuals, so bear with me, thanks.

 

[Mojo]

I think it’s highly unlikely he will win on appeal. I also doubt his appeal will be simply based upon reconsideration of existing evidence and will, more likely, seek to challenge some aspect of the procedural validity of his trial. In any case, win or lose, I doubt he’ll ever get another NRL contract.

 

[Mojo]

Yes, but If he jags ihis apoeal, he’s likely to be reinstated and he’ll be banging on Webbys door (with a hammer). I think people remain a bit interested until the fat lady has sung.

Its a legal car crash, I get that bit!

He won’t be able to sue for damages because neither the club nor the NRL have done anything other than await the decision of the court.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I think it’s highly unlikely he will win on appeal. I also doubt his appeal will be simply based upon reconsideration of existing evidence and will, more likely, seek to challenge some aspect of the procedural validity of his trial. In any case, win or lose, I doubt he’ll ever get another NRL contract.

I don’t disagree in earnest but I don’t know of the procedural irregularity of which you opine.

Memory serves the Police made an absolute meal of a few things they should not have, but obviously Her Honour overcame those transgressions.

My point is simply that from his perspective, he currently stands convicted and has lost his livelihood and other things.

He is about to get reamed by roofie in a civil suit as the findings stand.

All the advice in the world or our (and anybody else’s) considered opinion about his prospects cannot substitute for embarking on an Appeal proper.

He has absolutely nothing to lose at this point and to gain.

Whether it has any merit is now in the courts hands. I tend to agree with you as to merit, but until we know more about it, it’s difficult to write him off completely. Pell was gone for all money!

I concur with you about your thoughts as to indemnity and lawfulness of the club and the nrl actions. They covered themselves well.

They played a low risk strategy, which I did not agree with at the time.

Horrific PR.

 

[Mojo]

I don’t know of any procedural irregularity or error in the case but it’s a more likely, and more viable, basis for an appeal than merely trying to somehow restate some aspect of the evidence that has already been considered. I imagine it’s not even possible to lodge an appeal on the latter basis.

Winning an appeal (which he won’t) may give him some extra ‘protection’ from being sued but it’s not going to do much to restore his career and future earnings.

He fcked up royally and he’s suffering the consequences.
That’s the thing with crime and justice, it’s very hard to undo what’s been done.

 

[The Word]

So in sum, he might spend $80k on his appeal for the opportunity to recover at least $4.5m

Better off keeping the $80k to live off while he does his community service and waits for reinstatement.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I don’t know of any procedural irregularity or error in the case but it’s a more likely, and more viable, basis for an appeal than merely trying to somehow restate some aspect of the evidence that has already been considered. I imagine it’s not even possible to lodge an appeal on the latter basis.

Winning an appeal (which he won’t) may give him some extra ‘protection’ from being sued but it’s not going to do much to restore his career and future earnings.

He fcked up royally and he’s suffering the consequences.
That’s the thing with crime and justice, it’s very hard to undo what’s been done.

Fair enough, but if you were Amone, wouldn’t you apoeal?

Given what is at stake, surely one would have no choice?

It is a car crash legally, sure, but he’s dying on the road and any ambulance is better than Mary in a rabbit costume taking photographs of his footballing and financial passing.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Better off keeping the $80k to live off while he does his community service and waits for reinstatement.

Yes but roofie and his lawyers are seeing their table too. So 800 plus 400 plus 80 minimum v 80. Is it still value?

 

[The Word]

Yes but roofie and his lawyers are seeing their table too. So 800 plus 400 plus 80 minimum v 80. Is it still value?

Yes because he will lose. So it's a waste of another 80k.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Yes because he will lose. So it's a waste of another 80k.

You could be right, I don’t know.

But I’d probably risk it if I was him.

Then I’d never have to wonder about it.

Then if I was to lose on appeal, I’d have to accept I was a _______.

He won’t though. If he loses on appeal then it’s everybody else’s fault.

 

[Mojo]

Fair enough, but if you were Amone, wouldn’t you apoeal?

Given what is at stake, surely one would have no choice?

It is a car crash legally, sure, but he’s dying on the road and any ambulance is better than Mary in a rabbit costume taking photographs of his footballing and financial passing.

If I we’re Amone, no, I wouldn’t appeal.

I’d cop my punishment and pay restitution (should that ultimately be an additional outcome).

He’s cooked his goose.

The best thing he can do is focus on his own rehabilitation - and work seriously on becoming a decent human being - so that he might be able to restore some sort of future. However, it sounds very much to me like he’s nowhere near even contemplating doing any such thing.

 

[Lennyb]

Learned people are trying to figure out, Nature v Nurture.

I prefer, Simple is what Simple does.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

If I we’re Amone, no, I wouldn’t appeal.

I’d cop my punishment and pay restitution (should that ultimately be an additional outcome).

He’s cooked his goose.

The best thing he can do is focus on his own rehabilitation - and work seriously on becoming a decent human being - so that he might be able to restore some sort of future. However, it sounds very much to me like he’s nowhere near even contemplating doing any such thing.

He’s cooked his goose.

I am enjoying your points and I understand your broader insight into him.

But I must take respectful umbrage with your conclusion that “ his goose is cooked.”

Until his case is determined, I must insist it’s too bold a prediction to make.

The proof is in the pudding Sir.

It will be what it will be.

And rallying to his cause of at least attempting the appeal is the prospect of a very painful civil suit for which he would want to place obstacles before.

Perhaps his prospects of becoming a contributing individual is less than the prospects in his appeal, but from his shrivelled and regrettable perspective, it appears ( unfortunately) correct.

In my view, at this juncture.

 

[Lennyb]

I am enjoying your points and I understand your broader insight into him.

But I must take respectful umbrage with your conclusion that “ his goose is cooked.”

Until his case is determined, I must insist it’s too bold a prediction to make.

The proof is in the pudding Sir.

It will be what it will be.

And rallying to his cause of at least attempting the appeal is the prospect of a very painful civil suit for which he would want to place obstacles before.

Perhaps his prospects of becoming a contributing individual is less than the prospects in his appeal, but from his shrivelled and regrettable perspective, it appears ( unfortunately) correct.

In my view, at this juncture.

Just trying to change the convo with a more interesting convo.

Just happy that he will not wear the Red V again.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Just trying to change the convo with a more interesting convo.

Just happy that he will not wear the Red V again.

Fair enough Lenny.

There’s a lot of critics about the appeal and I just thought I’d try to shed some light on the other side.

Don’t get me wrong, I still think he should have got full time custody and called for the prosecution to appeal the ridiculously light sentence.

But if we can’t look at two sides of things, if we close our minds to alternatives, we might not be much further advanced than the selfish little cretin himself.

Changing the topic on Amone thread, lol we don’t have much to work with!

Gaol would have been good for him and hopefully taught him a lesson.

If he carried on in gaol like he did in that interview, he’d definitely never wear red v again!

But as @Mojo suggests, hes probably irredeemable at this point. He’ll spend his life taking from and being a burden to people. Because his big head is beyond f**ked up. Such an early age too.