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An idea for the code's future...

Big Mick

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I don't know if that'd work and would create an imbalance in the cap. Clubs that adopt the likes of Samoa, Tonga, Fiji and PNG are more likely to find a player of first grade standard than a club that gets the likes of Russia were there is next to no chance of ever developing a first grade player and therefore no incentive to invest in the development of Rugby League in that country.

Every club can make it work if they actively tried.
 

Big Mick

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International Orphanage

While the majority of blame for the mass exodus of our stars to union over recent years has rested with the salary cap, one has to beg the question, is it purely just the money? Mat Rogers summed it up in a recent article begging Gasnier to switch codes when he stated “You get to travel the world and participate in a real world cup with massive crowds”. In reality, it is the attraction of the international game that secures talent such as Gasnier to union as they want to showcase their skills on a world stage. This is something professional rugby league administrators have abandoned for far too long. But how can we strengthen our international presence?

Every year we have media publications about how good it would be to have a thriving international game to rival union, however, in the same breathe we also have statements proclaiming there is too much strain on the player’s and we cannot have an extended representative season. How after all this can these struggling developing nations continue to develop?

Throughout the world, rugby league is finally starting to have a presence thanks to very determined people risking all to start up a game in a foreign land. Referring to Tas Bateiri’s article in the Sun Herald, Rugby League now has 44 affiliated countries. In recent years we’ve seen the remarkable development in emerging nations such as Malta, Holland, Lebanon, Serbia, United States, Cook Islands, Russia and Samoa to name a few. Rugby league is quickly becoming a strongly contested game in these regions, but what can our professional ranks within England, Australia and New Zealand do to help these nations develop even further?

The answer is not purely money or grants, the answer also lies in experience and training. My proposal is to have a collaborative effort by the NRL and ESL to adopt a developing nation. In this process each club in the NRL and ESL will adopt a nation that is in the process of developing rugby league. These clubs will take the nations best players under their training regime at the start of the off-season.

Through the off-season the members of this national team will train with an NRL club, see how a professional club operates and train’s to make them the elite professionals they are. The will learn about nutrition, tactics and the physical barriers these players push through on a yearly basis. During this time it will provide these emerging players with great experience and the ability to better their games and improve their potential as players. But some may ask what the clubs get out of this?

The clubs would get grants from the NRL with the new TV rights to enable them to facilitate these teams, but should one of these emerging nations’ players be good enough, and up to rigorous standards of first grade, then that player will be exempt from the salary cap. For example, should Samoa merge with Penrith Panthers and the Panthers discover a player with enormous potential and want to play him in first grade, that player will be exempt. Only then will we see clubs opening their doors and taking a gamble on these emerging nations’ players as it will bear minimal risk for a potentially maximum pay off.

However, the other innovation along with this proposal is to play a nation’s cup alongside the NRL season. Prior to premier league games, emerging nation’s best players, who are already affiliated with a club will play on match day in front of the clubs supporters. If these nations play competitive football all year, it will improve the development of league in their nation and attract more players to the code if they are successful in the nation’s cup.

The development of the international game is our duty. The NRL, ESL, ARL and NZRL must band together and help the international game develop. By offering developing nations an opportunity to train in a professional environment and play competitively year round is a stepping stone to something better, something that we have long craved for, an international competition that rivals rugby union. These developments will help retain our stars along with unearthing leagues of new stars as the game develops internationally. The responsibility is on us to help these nations and in the end our efforts will be rewarded by having a competitive World Cup that we can be proud of as supporters of this great game.
 

Big Mick

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Another article bout International League I wrote a while back:

International Rugby League – Joke or threat?


International Rugby League has long been thought of as a stain on the game. For many years now, critics acknowledge that domestically our game is far superior to that of our rivals. However internationally, our game is sadly lacking due to lack of forward thinking.
Rugby Union has long been regarded as the superior international game. However the recent world cup has shown us that there is definitely a way to compete. The Union world cup was bland and lengthy and failed to capture the public interest. While this presents a perfect opportunity to strike as code internationally, the issue of International expansion is something administrators have abandoned for far too long.
Every year our media outlets proclaim how good it would be for our international game to be thriving and that we have a competitive environment where anyone can compete with the likes of Australia, England and New Zealand. However, in the same breathe they push a domestic agenda, stating there is too much strain on players.
Recently, the West’s Tigers stated they would not let Robbie Farah play for Lebanon in their World Cup preparation, however, when Farah recently sought an injunction to play. But underneath the surface presents the problem. When told that he would be ineligible to play for Australia if he played, Farah turned his back on Lebanon, sighting ambition to play State of Origin. Media outlets have been pushing for rule changes to accommodate Farah to “aid the international game”, and within this, a farce is presented and the joke is revealed. You can’t have your cake and eat it to.
There has been so much criticism with regards to eligibility and leniency internationally, but isn’t it a hypocrisy to ask for the same for Farah? He should be made to be eligible for Lebanon for the good of the international game, like many other stars, but he should also be made to continue playing with them “for the good of the international game”.
Rugby League is no longer a secret internationally. Thanks to the determination and will of a few; League has expanded exponentially the last 5 years. In 2004, there were 36 affiliated nations, in 2006, 44, and this year there are now 48. These numbers highlight not only a thriving presence internationally, but the potential that exists for a World Cup, that not only rivals Rugby Union, it betters it, both in competition and marketability.
The 2008 World Cup will consist of a small contingent of nations. However, by the next world cup, domestic competitions will be established in nations like Malta, Holland, Lebanon, Serbia and the Cook Islands which will allow a more competitive, expansive and financially viable competition.
However, unless we have players representing their actual nations, this will always be a pleasant fiction and International Rugby League will always be regarded as second best. This season Taniella Tuaiki and FuiFui MoiMoi had stellar seasons, which facilitated them with potential representation selection, with Moi Moi stating “I’ll play for whoever picks me”.
It is this cavalier attitude that must be stopped. Last year, Tuaiki and MoiMoi played for Tonga in an international fixture and within 12 months have turned their back on their nation in order to represent the more fancied New Zealand. If these players were made to play in their prime for their actual nations, this international drain would not exist and the game would not be regarded as a joke.
Rugby League is fast becoming a genuine threat to Rugby Union internationally, if only the administrators and media personalities would get out of its way. Imagine Jennings, Mateo and MoiMoi lining up for Tonga, imagine Farah lining up for Lebanon, then imagine how good it would be if it lasted for more than a one game stunt, as this will not provide adequate incentive to developing nations.
If there is one thing the recent union world cup taught us, is that nations like Argentina, Fiji and Tonga had a lot of potential and were willing to learn, and their success is highlighted in their hard work. If only our administrators had the same ambition to see the true potential our game has, then just maybe we can stop believing that unless you play for the big three, then you are nothing. We need to develop a mentality that to be an International is an honour, no matter who you represent. Let’s make our game the centrepiece it should be.
 

salivor

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Every club can make it work if they actively tried.

Yes but it's pie in the sky stuff. The reality is that clubs aren't prepared to pump hundreds of thousands of dollars into developing players in a country like Russia in the hope that in a decade they may have a player or two that are of first grade standard while their competitor down the road has a Pacific Island production line going all exempt from the salary cap.
 

Canard

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Cheers, HJ. Blokes like Peachey, Lauititi, Blacklock etc, maybe Cliffy Lyons and his smokes.

Have you ever watched any of those old "legends" games they played and they are at least being mildy comptetive, that stuff is boring as sh*t, once you rob a game of its competition than it becomes boring.

If you know the other team is laying down like dogs, (Washington Generals style) it will not have any interest beyond about 5mins.
 

griff

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I don't think these ideas are by and large any good at all, but even if they were any good they are so unachievable as to be useless.

I think it is good to be throwing ideas around, but we need to keep one eye on reality.
 
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Have you ever watched any of those old "legends" games they played and they are at least being mildy comptetive, that stuff is boring as sh*t, once you rob a game of its competition than it becomes boring.

If you know the other team is laying down like dogs, (Washington Generals style) it will not have any interest beyond about 5mins.

Those Legends games are with blokes that are well beyond it. strat's idea would (I'm guessing) involve guys who have just retired but could still handle a schedule of maybe 12 games a year.

They would enjoy themselves, but also know that they had a job to do. Hard-core league fans that get to see their fans every week may not be over the moon about it, but take it to places that only get one game a week on TV - Pac Islands, US, Russia etc - and the game would most definitely hold interest for the entire 80 mins.
 

Loudstrat

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Have you ever watched any of those old "legends" games they played and they are at least being mildy comptetive, that stuff is boring as sh*t, once you rob a game of its competition than it becomes boring.

If you know the other team is laying down like dogs, (Washington Generals style) it will not have any interest beyond about 5mins.

Those Legends games are with blokes that are well beyond it. strat's idea would (I'm guessing) involve guys who have just retired but could still handle a schedule of maybe 12 games a year.

They would enjoy themselves, but also know that they had a job to do. Hard-core league fans that get to see their fans every week may not be over the moon about it, but take it to places that only get one game a week on TV - Pac Islands, US, Russia etc - and the game would most definitely hold interest for the entire 80 mins.

HJ's got the idea. The Globetrotters concept is about a team of very skilled players who, for some reason or another, are of diminished market value in the ESL or NRL. It could be a recently retired great (aka David Peachey, Stacey Jones, Jason Smith), Someone with a niggling injury that prevents them from a weekly match schedule (possibly Lockyer), or someone looking at a retirement package from Union in their twilight years (Craig Gower), a gun from a developing nation unable to secure a contract with an ESL or NRL side (Nate Smith), or someone wanting to wind down at the back end of their career (Stanley Gene, Ian Hindmarsh)

It wouldn't be a Legends game, where blokes are picked on their former status from years gone by, who can't run anymore. They would have to be fit, skilful and entertaining.

You put them up against the US, Russian, Croatian, Canadian, Moroccan, Fijian test sides, maybe some French RL, BArla or Welsh clubs, and poss some local sides from country Australia and NZ.
 

Loudstrat

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Another article bout International League I wrote a while back:

International Rugby League – Joke or threat?

Great article. Hence the thought behind the provincial world cup as opposed to the real World Cup and Tri Nations.

Currently, Origion criteria is different to test criteria. Players basically pick their rep future to their own advantage - aka Cayless brothers choosing NZ over Australia to maximise Rep games. Worked for Nathan - 35 tests for NZ - he's Parra's most capped product. The next best are Cronin and Price - 22 test for Australia.

The Provincial world cup idea is to break down the superiority of GB, NZ and Australia over the other nations. Maybe the NRL could supply 50 players - therefore you would still have the skills on show, but you wouldn't have a full strength QLD side up against a Samoan side all pulled from Samoan villages. You would also create sides with flamboyance - the Island nations and especially the Aboriginal side. The strength of the comp could rival international Union, and would sh*t on it for flamboyance, and competitiveness. Then you'd have the 4 blockbuster sides, NSW, QLD, Yorkshire and Lancashire. Imagine taking the Maroons to play Lancashire at Old Trafford? You'd fill it to the rafters!

You'd suddenly have a Rugby League rep side representing Canberra and Melbourne too.
 

Engine

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STOP THESE BORING PLANS IN THE NRL THREAD!!!!!! If I see another damn plan thread, I will frikkin throw my keyboard at the screen.

Driving me mad!!!!!!!
 

Ron Jeremy

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Good stuff Loudstrat, and agree with many points.

I reckon you have nothing to loose bgy passing it on to the NRL.

And while your there, maybe bring on concessions for teams developing their juniors into NRL players.
 

Engine

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Im just sick of reading so many stupid plans. A thread should be devoted towards plans for rugby league. Something I can steer clear from.
 

hellteam

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HJ's got the idea. The Globetrotters concept is about a team of very skilled players who, for some reason or another, are of diminished market value in the ESL or NRL. It could be a recently retired great (aka David Peachey, Stacey Jones, Jason Smith), Someone with a niggling injury that prevents them from a weekly match schedule (possibly Lockyer), or someone looking at a retirement package from Union in their twilight years (Craig Gower), a gun from a developing nation unable to secure a contract with an ESL or NRL side (Nate Smith), or someone wanting to wind down at the back end of their career (Stanley Gene, Ian Hindmarsh)

It wouldn't be a Legends game, where blokes are picked on their former status from years gone by, who can't run anymore. They would have to be fit, skilful and entertaining.

You put them up against the US, Russian, Croatian, Canadian, Moroccan, Fijian test sides, maybe some French RL, BArla or Welsh clubs, and poss some local sides from country Australia and NZ.


Are you talking about like Barbarians style matches they have in rugby union?
 

Loudstrat

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Im just sick of reading so many stupid plans. A thread should be devoted towards plans for rugby league. Something I can steer clear from.

Funny. You have appeared on every one of them to complain about them!!! Trying as hard to steer clear of them as an alcoholic tries hard to drive past a bottle shop.

Face it. You love 'em!!!

Are you talking about like Barbarians style matches they have in rugby union?

Sort of, but not against to test sides. It's really a promotional thing, with lots of ball playing, trickery and probably some character as well. The Globetrotters would not contain players contracted to clubs. It would be a post-career side doing the entertainment circuit, if you like.
 
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