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Angry Western Suburbs may split from Balmain in NSW Cup

gronkathon

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The proposal is from a degenerate gronk member of the magpies football club.

The Magpies football club has no money, no friends within the merger and zero influence. Wests Ashfield and Campbelltown want to work together with Wests Tigers to grow the brand they invest their cash in.

Nothing story
 

madunit

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How is it a good idea to increase your costs and have one decent team and one shit house team who gets beat by 80 points each week? Makes no sense.
exactly this!

As I recall (happy to be corrected), WT wanted a NSW Cup side, instead of Balmain and Wests. Balmain agreed, Wests disagreed. WT then said to Wests, if you don't agree, then all our WT players no picked for first grade will all go to Balmain's NSW Cup side.

Wests said fine, having a team was more important to them then winning.

Wests lost every game by big margins in the NSW Cup this year, Balmain made the Grand Final.

WT again approached Wests, thinking they'd learnt a valuabale lesson. Wests stubbornly again refused.

There's only a small group with the Magpies who are causing all this strife and bullshit, one of those f**kwits is on here, alien. They are so f**king deluded and backward in their bullshit agendas they don't realise that they are doing more harm than good to the image of the Magpies.

They think kids will grow up wanting to play for the magpies, the mob who get rolled by 50 every week in the NSW Cup, and not the Wests Tigers in the NRL, who actually win games.

They think that kids are in their backyards in Campbelltown, wanting to be the next Troy O'Sullivan and not the next Benji Marshall.

The WT has always needed to have a body at the top that had power over both Balmain and Wests, but they don't, so there's factions on the WT board, three boards all up, it's just an utter f**king mess.
 

BunniesMan

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If Balmain goes under Wests will have all the power in the merger. I could see a West Sydney Magpies in the NRL within the next decade.
 

madunit

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you'll be lucky if you get to a see a roof over your head in the next decade.
 

Matchball

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To think the merger is into its 13th season and we are still dealing with this issue.

Talk about cronyism.
 

CrazyTiger

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I'll forgive your blatantly misleading title.

The Magpies have always been anti Balmain. Balmain have no cash, so they do whatever ensures their survival, which basically means they do whatever the Wests Tigers board tell them to do (or backdoor Benny).

Wests have money, they want to remain as a stand alone entity at NSW Cup level. They believe that merging their NSW Cup side with Balmain so that the Wests Tigers have a NSW Cup side means that every little thing ever said, written, created etc about Wests will be deleted from the annals of history.

Both sides are full of tired old has-beens whose primary concern isn't the NRL side, which it should be.

This shit has been going on for years. When Tim Sheens first arrived at the club, he managed to reduce this behaviour somewhat, but it was always simmering away.

Balmain have the emblem, the colour orange and supporters. Balmain has debt as
opposed to the magpies whose clubs are still solvent. The Tigers brand courtesy of
Balmain is able to produce revenue for an NRL team whilst the mapgies brand is not.

The magpies have a club called Ashfield that turns a profit. This profit is generated
on the basis that it is a club that services the local area. Ashfield should be giving
their pokey money back to the locals via the Wests Tigers (the local team) and not
to some team that left the area some 25 years ago. The magpies don't have money!
Ashfield took their money away because they have to. They can hold on for a few
more years, but how long can they keep giving away their ill gotten gains to the
people of Campbelltown, 35 years, 40 years? They set up Campbelltown to support
the Magpies. It is time for them to do so.
 
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WT's are a very unusual beast. You've got the Balmain side who are pretty united except are completely broke, even more so now that the "merger" with Ryde-Eastwood has finished. RE pulled out at the end of the season leaving Balmain no option but to push for the WT to enter the NSW Cup. Balmain are still also pushing hard for the leagues club redevelopment at Rozelle to be given the go-ahead, but the locals are dead against it.
Wests have three sides all promoting their own self interests. Wests Magpies football club, Wests Ashfield (the only part of the joint venture to make any money) and Wests Cambo. The Wests Ashfield are sick and tired of funding the Magpies NSW Cup side that play in front of a very small crowd at Cambo so are pushing for a reduction in their funding by wanting the WT's to enter the NSW Cup. Naturally the FC are dead against this have kicked up a stink about the loss of the Magpies brand, hence the move the Bundy Red for them. And Wests Cambo fund some of the junior reps and group 6 sides, I think but don't make much money out there so can't contribute much.

It's not a good look for either of the clubs really.
 

The Great Dane

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Just thinking out loud so feel free to shoot me down if it's not viable, but why not have the West Tigers in the NRL and have one team called the Balmian Magpies (or something like that) in the NSW cup? It would keep everyone happy and there would only be one team in the NSW cup to pay for.
 

CrazyTiger

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Just thinking out loud so feel free to shoot me down if it's not viable, but why not have the West Tigers in the NRL and have one team called the Balmian Magpies (or something like that) in the NSW cup? It would keep everyone happy and there would only be one team in the NSW cup to pay for.

It may keep diehards happy but at the end of the day the NRL is big business and we can't
afford to keep flogging the magpies brand. Whilst it is nice that Ashfield is still turning a
profit, club profits are not something that you want to depend upon for your future.

The Wests Tigers want to be free of leagues clubs and be in charge of their own destiny.
What Balmain or Wests want now shouldn't come into it.
 

CrazyTiger

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isnt Balmain the club putting no money in.Why isnt them going

You need to understand what constitutes revenue. Supporters/branding equals revenue. This
is what Balmain provides. Wests don't.

A leagues club turning a tiny profit isn't worth shit. It is the brand that is valuable and the
supporter set that goes with it. The brand is derived from Balmain but it now a brand
in its own right. So the whilst the magpies and balmain both die, it appears to the casual
observer that Balmain won out. In a way that is true, since they made damn sure the
NRL team had their emblem.
 

magpie4ever

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The Magpies are a dead brand. The NRL club is the Tigers which is the brand to be sold.

The magpie had to go.

Wait until Balmain go belly up, then we will see who has to go. The magpies will rise again, goodbye to the tabbies and good ridance.
 

MadPie

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You need to understand what constitutes revenue. Supporters/branding equals revenue. This
is what Balmain provides. Wests don't.

A leagues club turning a tiny profit isn't worth shit. It is the brand that is valuable and the
supporter set that goes with it. The brand is derived from Balmain but it now a brand
in its own right. So the whilst the magpies and balmain both die, it appears to the casual
observer that Balmain won out. In a way that is true, since they made damn sure the
NRL team had their emblem.

Now now Crazy Cat, it seems you dont fully understand. While i fully support the JV and have embraced it as a reality and dont normally buy into these discussions, its hard to accept some of your asertions and claims.

Wests Tigers is far better branding than the Balmain Magpies for obvious reasons...you limit it geographicaly too much otherwise. Nothing to do with Balmain-more the opposite, have to remove 'Balmian' from it as far as possible.Thats the only reason for the emblem. A Tiger is sexier and more exotic than a Magpie..sure. 'Tigers' rolls off the tongue better than 'Wests', hence the overemphasis and association with Balmain as a result of a simple mascot that comes with it and what you take as being a meaningful contribution, of which it is not.. No problem. Is that the reason for stating 'bring the branding'? Are you saying the Balmain tiger is the brand? Magpies are the best known football brand in this country thanks to Collingwood, but thats beside the point, but makes those claims moot. Are you saying a tiger is better than a magpie? Who really cares? A mascot is a mascot and only as successful as the club is. In terms of supporters, not sure how one can claim that-has someone done a headcount and survey? I wont say one way or another, but dont forget most older WT supporters west of Haberfield would have originally been Magpies supporters. Having lived and grown up nearby, that was and is obvious. Hell, even Concord oval was the original ground for the Magpies (St Lukes as it was known then). That is why many older Wests supporters have happily gone on supporting the WT and Camp Concord and remain silent. Why is the Balmain leagues club an insolvent basketcase..not enough balmain supporters around?


A JV was neccessary, and while there are no perfect JVs in football, it was a a more palpable marriage, as Balmain and Wests were essentially neighbours and both foundation clubs. Ructions will always remain from a JV.
 
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Sirro just delivered all the letters of support of the development to the planning department and all local MPs are on side. Once the development is through Balmain will have there cashflow source back again.

Approval is now a formality. I'm looking at investing in a unit there for retirement
 

CrazyTiger

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Now now Crazy Cat, it seems you dont fully understand. While i fully support the JV and have embraced it as a reality and dont normally buy into these discussions, its hard to accept some of your asertions and claims.

Wests Tigers is far better branding than the Balmain Magpies for obvious reasons...you limit it geographicaly too much otherwise. Nothing to do with Balmain-more the opposite, have to remove 'Balmian' from it as far as possible.Thats the only reason for the emblem. A Tiger is sexier and more exotic than a Magpie..sure. 'Tigers' rolls off the tongue better than 'Wests', hence the overemphasis and association with Balmain as a result of a simple mascot that comes with it and what you take as being a meaningful contribution, of which it is not.. No problem. Is that the reason for stating 'bring the branding'? Are you saying the Balmain tiger is the brand? Magpies are the best known football brand in this country thanks to Collingwood, but thats beside the point, but makes those claims moot. Are you saying a tiger is better than a magpie? Who really cares? A mascot is a mascot and only as successful as the club is. In terms of supporters, not sure how one can claim that-has someone done a headcount and survey? I wont say one way or another, but dont forget most older WT supporters west of Haberfield would have originally been Magpies supporters. Having lived and grown up nearby, that was and is obvious. Hell, even Concord oval was the original ground for the Magpies (St Lukes as it was known then). That is why many older Wests supporters have happily gone on supporting the WT and Camp Concord and remain silent. Why is the Balmain leagues club an insolvent basketcase..not enough balmain supporters around?


A JV was neccessary, and while there are no perfect JVs in football, it was a a more palpable marriage, as Balmain and Wests were essentially neighbours and both foundation clubs. Ructions will always remain from a JV.
I agree with you with regards Balmain being too localised. I also regard Wests as too
limiting and not catering to a large enough area which is why I am a strong advocate for
a return to the much broader appeal of the Sydney Tigers. Wests is also a tarnished
brand that represents mediocrity and poverty which is hard to sell.

Rugby league is widely regarded as a mans sport for tough men, hence the need for
tough emblems. AFL is a sport that can be graceful but is very scrappy like seagulls
picking up chips. This is why the AFL has many birds as emblems the hawks, the magpies,
the eagles, the crows, the swans etc. The new franchises that are now in have powerful
names like the suns, the power, the giants.

The days of selling namby pamby macots has come and gone (even in the AFL). Collingwood
is strong by virtue of being a foundation club. They have history to thank, not their mascot.

Like it or not, Balmain chose your club because you were weak. The magpie may
push on in bundy for a bit to appease a few die hards. In another ten years the old
Ashfield magpies will be dead or retired, so Campbelltown needs to start earning its keep.

I think you find NRL clubs care a lot about whether or not they can sell their brand,
especially if it directly impacts upon your survival.
 
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The Great Dane

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Thats the only reason for the emblem. A Tiger is sexier and more exotic than a Magpie..sure. 'Tigers' rolls off the tongue better than 'Wests', hence the overemphasis and association with Balmain as a result of a simple mascot that comes with it and what you take as being a meaningful contribution, of which it is not.. No problem. Is that the reason for stating 'bring the branding'? Are you saying the Balmain tiger is the brand? Magpies are the best known football brand in this country thanks to Collingwood, but thats beside the point, but makes those claims moot. Are you saying a tiger is better than a magpie?

I have never understood that argument myself, just does not make sense. How can someone say that Tigers is a better brand then Magpies in Australia when Collingwood is the most recognizable football brand in the country? It doesn't make sense.
 

magpie4ever

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LOL. If you say so buddy. Have a big year in Bundy cup :).

Sorry dude, but maybe the laugh:lol: is on you. I can't see the name, Balmain Tigers past SG Ball and HM Cup.

NRL - WESTS Tigers
NSW Cup - WESTS Tigers

Maybe, they should enter the Sydney Shield comp - oh, that's right, they can't afford it.:cool:
 

magpie4ever

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I agree with you with regards Balmain being too localised. I also regard Wests as too
limiting and not catering to a large enough area which is why I am a strong advocate for
a return to the much broader appeal of the Sydney Tigers. Wests is also a tarnished
brand that represents mediocrity and poverty which is hard to sell.

Rugby league is widely regarded as a mans sport for tough men, hence the need for
tough emblems. AFL is a sport that can be graceful but is very scrappy like seagulls
picking up chips. This is why the AFL has many birds as emblems the hawks, the magpies,
the eagles, the crows, the swans etc. The new franchises that are now in have powerful
names like the suns, the power, the giants.

The days of selling namby pamby macots has come and gone (even in the AFL). Collingwood
is strong by virtue of being a foundation club. They have history to thank, not their mascot.

Like it or not, Balmain chose your club because you were weak. The magpie may
push on in bundy for a bit to appease a few die hards. In another ten years the old
Ashfield magpies will be dead or retired, so Campbelltown needs to start earning its keep.

I think you find NRL clubs care a lot about whether or not they can sell their brand,
especially if it directly impacts upon your survival.

LOL, crazy tabby is a marketing genius -not. Unbelievable, you flea bag, I still looking for an Australian tiger. Collingwood MAGPIES is the biggest sports club in OZ. Back in your cage, please.
 

CrazyTiger

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Sorry dude, but maybe the laugh:lol: is on you. I can't see the name, Balmain Tigers past SG Ball and HM Cup.

NRL - WESTS Tigers
NSW Cup - WESTS Tigers

Maybe, they should enter the Sydney Shield comp - oh, that's right, they can't afford it.:cool:

Thats OK. I'll watch the Black and Gold (with a smidge of white) Tigers in the NRL.

Lets start that chant:
Tigers...Tigers...Tigers....Tigers.... :)
 

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