Anthony Griffin Disappreciation Society

[OldPanther]

I'm no longer a member and won't be buying merchandise. It's time they stopped moving on quality players to be winners at other clubs.

 

[roofromoz]

I'll renew my membership, but I would like to one day see a 250+ match player at Penrith. Most other clubs seem to have at least one.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

I'm no longer a member and won't be buying merchandise. It's time they stopped moving on quality players to be winners at other clubs.

Moylan leaving by itself is not enough evidence to suggest that Griffin has lost the playing group though (I think most can see that Moylan has some serious issues with regards to commitment). It will be interesting to see what happens with Cleary, Edwards, Cartwright etc in the coming season or two though. That will give us a better indication of how well regarded he is.

 

[OldPanther]

Moylan leaving by itself is not enough evidence to suggest that Griffin has lost the playing group though (I think most can see that Moylan has some serious issues with regards to commitment). It will be interesting to see what happens with Cleary, Edwards, Cartwright etc in the coming season or two though. That will give us a better indication of how well regarded he is.

Very true. I half suspect this is about keeping those younger players happy

 

[CCJohnC]

I like Anthony Griffin as our coach. OOPS!! wrong thread.

 

[herbert henry1908]

We just seem to give up on players so easily. The slightest problem & we try and move them on.

I don’t think that’s a good long term strategy.

That appears to have more to do with Gus than it does Griffin.

 

[umina panther]

We just seem to give up on players so easily. The slightest problem & we try and move them on.

I don’t think that’s a good long term strategy.

That appears to have more to do with Gus than it does Griffin.

Both Joey and Locky loved a party and the drugs. Winning clubs work around this shit

 

[Whino]

I'll renew my membership, but I would like to one day see a 250+ match player at Penrith. Most other clubs seem to have at least one.

Apart from the Titans. Are we the only club that doesn't have one?

 

[herbert henry1908]

I'll renew my membership, but I would like to one day see a 250+ match player at Penrith. Most other clubs seem to have at least one.

Pretty amazing for a 51 year old club too.

 

[Panther Mick]

I'll renew my membership, but I would like to one day see a 250+ match player at Penrith. Most other clubs seem to have at least one.

Brandy would have done it, if not for the unfortunate event. He finished up on 275 for us and the Warriors.

If Gower learnt how to hold his liquor, kept his clothes on and stopped blaming everyone else for his problems. He should have cracked the 250 mark.

Apart from the Titans. Are we the only club that doesn't have one?

Just us the Tits and the Tigers. Farah finished on 247

 

[Bob]

Brandy would have done it, if not for the unfortunate event. He finished up on 275 for us and the Warriors.

If Gower learnt how to hold his liquor, kept his clothes on and stopped blaming everyone else for his problems. He should have cracked the 250 mark.




Just us the Tits and the Tigers. Farah finished on 247

Steve Carter had 245 from memory

 

[Mr Angry]

242 for Carter.

Lewis had 208, now 307.

Definitely would have got there.

 

[Kilkenny]

I'm no longer a member and won't be buying merchandise. It's time they stopped moving on quality players to be winners at other clubs.

I simply don't understand why you would feel this way. The Moylan situation excluded we have moved on a lot of players in recent years but for the most part there were very valid reasons as to why the decisions where made to move them on. Again other than Moylan we have resigned/retained almost all the players whom we have wanted to keep.

Herbert Henry on another thread listed a number of players who have moved on in recent seasons ie Idris, Api, Hiku, Coote etc etc but when you go thru the list most if not all fans would agree there were valid reasons as to why the players were allowed to go elsewhere and for the most part good decisions by the club. One or two, Api Korisau for example had a really good season with us and we would have loved to have kept him but at the end of the day the Sea Eagles offer was one which we simply couldn't match. Additional years, more money so having regard to the player he was released one year early. Some have suggested we should have played hardball and held him at the club on his modest deal for the additional year but I don't agree with that.

 

[OldPanther]

I simply don't understand why you would feel this way. The Moylan situation excluded we have moved on a lot of players in recent years but for the most part there were very valid reasons as to why the decisions where made to move them on. Again other than Moylan we have resigned/retained almost all the players whom we have wanted to keep.

Herbert Henry on another thread listed a number of players who have moved on in recent seasons ie Idris, Api, Hiku, Coote etc etc but when you go thru the list most if not all fans would agree there were valid reasons as to why the players were allowed to go elsewhere and for the most part good decisions by the club. One or two, Api Korisau for example had a really good season with us and we would have loved to have kept him but at the end of the day the Sea Eagles offer was one which we simply couldn't match. Additional years, more money so having regard to the player he was released one year early. Some have suggested we should have played hardball and held him at the club on his modest deal for the additional year but I don't agree with that.

I'mjust over it. We got all these guarantees up until a few weeks ago. I have a thing about being lied to. The club also seems to be obsessed with the next young bloke coming through. I have no doubt some of the Moylan stuff is about keeping Cleary/Edwards etc. The fact they went and extended Griffin when he had a year left and no demand for him at all. Gus seemed to love the bloke and that's enough for them. I don't mind some of the decisions being made but I'm not spending hundreds/thousands unless I'm relatively satisfied anymore. I'll still watch every single game and wear my current jersey on game day like I do.

 

[Abacus]

Not sure why we take the club's denials re Moylan personally. This looked like a classic trade tactic. If the club says player is unhappy and wants out, it reduces your bargaining power substantially.
Personally and emotionally my initial reaction was that the club had to keep Moylan. Now it appears the club handled the trade/negotiation to achieve a pretty strong result for members/fans by gaining Maloney.

 

[mxlegend99]

The club flat out lied to us. Not for the first time. It could remain silent rather than tell us a blatant lie.

The club has zero credibility now. The media can make all the wild and crazy rumours they want... and they will now have credibility even if we deny them. The media was right about TMM. The media was right about Moylan.

The club lied to us both times. Theres no defending that. The club doesnt lose bargaining power... the fact a player in a 5 year cobtract has spoken to another club confirms to them he wants out. Us admitting that or denying it changes nothing in negotiations.

I cant believe the things this club can do and be defended for. Our club lie to us. Our club doesnt give a shit about contracts. Gus is destroying the club.

He talks about building a successful club around our juniors and goes and throws all the salary cap at the likes of Merrin, Tamou and Maloney. Players who have no reason to give a shit about this club. Its just the highest paying job they can get.

Fans are excited by signing international players. But a year later these players have gone backwards massively and are not international quality players. They are still paid as such though.

Fans then say the players we lost were overrated and will easily be replaced. But these guys go on to be more successful away from us and we dont improve without them.. our players arent overrated. They were just part of a system that limits their ability to reach their potential. Oh and should we debelop a replacement. He's just 3 years away from leaving too.

How can we expect to expand our fan base when we treat them this way? When we cant even keep our best players happy? Players like jennings. Lewis. Moylan etc. Are the players kids grow up idolising. Letting these guys go.. how do we expect to make more fans of little kids? Its just not happening.

 

[OldPanther]

Not sure why we take the club's denials re Moylan personally. This looked like a classic trade tactic. If the club says player is unhappy and wants out, it reduces your bargaining power substantially.
Personally and emotionally my initial reaction was that the club had to keep Moylan. Now it appears the club handled the trade/negotiation to achieve a pretty strong result for members/fans by gaining Maloney.

Up until a few weeks ago all the info was he was staying. Even his manager came out and said he'd never mentioned leaving. It's rediculous.

The club flat out lied to us. Not for the first time. It could remain silent rather than tell us a blatant lie.

The club has zero credibility now. The media can make all the wild and crazy rumours they want... and they will now have credibility even if we deny them. The media was right about TMM. The media was right about Moylan.

The club lied to us both times. Theres no defending that. The club doesnt lose bargaining power... the fact a player in a 5 year cobtract has spoken to another club confirms to them he wants out. Us admitting that or denying it changes nothing in negotiations.

I cant believe the things this club can do and be defended for. Our club lie to us. Our club doesnt give a shit about contracts. Gus is destroying the club.

He talks about building a successful club around our juniors and goes and throws all the salary cap at the likes of Merrin, Tamou and Maloney. Players who have no reason to give a shit about this club. Its just the highest paying job they can get.

Fans are excited by signing international players. But a year later these players have gone backwards massively and are not international quality players. They are still paid as such though.

Fans then say the players we lost were overrated and will easily be replaced. But these guys go on to be more successful away from us and we dont improve without them.. our players arent overrated. They were just part of a system that limits their ability to reach their potential. Oh and should we debelop a replacement. He's just 3 years away from leaving too.

How can we expect to expand our fan base when we treat them this way? When we cant even keep our best players happy? Players like jennings. Lewis. Moylan etc. Are the players kids grow up idolising. Letting these guys go.. how do we expect to make more fans of little kids? Its just not happening.

Very well said.

 

[Abacus]

The club doesnt lose bargaining power... the fact a player in a 5 year cobtract has spoken to another club confirms to them he wants out. Us admitting that or denying it changes nothing in negotiations.

Couldn't disagree with this statement more. The club playing hardball is the only thing that secured an effective trade. Otherwise the player walks anyway and the club is left with rookie 5/8 options.

There are still members/fans that are obviously pretty upset - fair enough. But I'd be a lot more pissed about it if the club hadn't played hardball and got Maloney. A few years ago we'd wave Lewis goodbye and get Ciraldo as a replacement. I much prefer the Moylan-Maloney scenario.

Not all of our juniors kick on elsewhere. Some find they want to test themselves in new environments - check out the recent statements by Michael Morgan as evidence of this.

The club has to do the best deal for their members that they can. If the Moylan issues were deemed terminal, then fans/members need to understand that what might be in black and white may be positioning the club for this purpose.

 

[Royce is King]

Old Panther..... You have stated at least twice that you are over it, not buying membership, etc..... just be done with it ,go and support the sharks and the 9th immortal, a coach that knows what he is doing, a CEO who conducts business by telling the whole world every move in his negotiating , ..... because for someone who is over the Panthers... you sure spend alot of your time on here talking about them.

Honestly you look foolish..... back up your words and go follow the sharks.

 

[mxlegend99]

Couldn't disagree with this statement more. The club playing hardball is the only thing that secured an effective trade. Otherwise the player walks anyway and the club is left with rookie 5/8 options.

There are still members/fans that are obviously pretty upset - fair enough. But I'd be a lot more pissed about it if the club hadn't played hardball and got Maloney. A few years ago we'd wave Lewis goodbye and get Ciraldo as a replacement. I much prefer the Moylan-Maloney scenario.

Not all of our juniors kick on elsewhere. Some find they want to test themselves in new environments - check out the recent statements by Michael Morgan as evidence of this.

The club has to do the best deal for their members that they can. If the Moylan issues were deemed terminal, then fans/members need to understand that what might be in black and white may be positioning the club for this purpose.

This is a load of shit.

Panthers have a contract. Moylan wanted out. Sharks want him. They dont have to release him until they are happy woth what is on offer.

Sharks and Moylan were the ones having to satisfy our needs. We lose no bargaining power at all in being truthful to the fans and media. Because behind closed doors Sharks knew Moylan wanted out.

The only thing lost was credibility. Being honest about it doesnt lose us any bargaining power. Everyone knew what everyone wanted and they had to satisfy our needs before they got what they wanted.

We paid overs to the worst defensive and most penalised player in the competition. This is going to be like Raiders signing Orford. People look at past achievements and see a goid signing ignoring the career trajectory of the players signed and lost.