ARLC Commission Changes

[Cumberland Throw]

Couldn't we all ask Phil Gould the same questions he asks nrl..

If they get $13 million a year as wanted + on a conservative basis another $9m in revenue from sponsors and members and pokies

And only have to pay the players $10m

Where does the other $12m go

It's basically the same argument is he is having about the nrl .. just on a smaller scale

penrith rlfc has like 72 employees outside of players .. is this overkill for a business of its size ??

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Couldn't we all ask Phil Gould the same questions he asks nrl..

If they get $13 million a year as wanted + on a conservative basis another $9m in revenue from sponsors and members and pokies

And only have to pay the players $10m

Where does the other $12m go

It's basically the same argument is he is having about the nrl .. just on a smaller scale

penrith rlfc has like 72 employees outside of players .. is this overkill for a business of its size ??

You could flip every article that bad mouths the Arlc back on to the clubs.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

This is what frustrates me about the whole thing.

I continuely hear that the Nrl is not professional and blah blah blah. I some what agree. But unfortunately we are our own worst enemy. I know that I am more on the commissioners side than everyone on here it seems. I work for a company that is highly structured and professional in every sense of the word. Now with the CEO and Arlc being the bosses of the Nrl and the clubs and players below them on the organizational tree how can leaks be acceptable. In my job if I speak out about the company, I'm as good as gone. Now for a company to be successful everyone has to be on the same page. This is clearly not the case with the Nrl. Even In gallops era clubs felt disenfranchised and they've just done what ever to survive. The formation of the Arlc was suppose to fix it. It sure hasn't. When the clubs dont get there way or listened to, they leak to there reporters to get the public on there side and try to influence a decision. Having rouge workers is a sure sign the company isn't professional. Now in my job, if I feel my boss isn't do something right, at the right time I'll put my 2 cents in, but ultimately it's his decision and I have to live with that (and so does he). I don't chuck a hissy fit and go public with it. That's called professional!! Now I had read a few articles pertaining to the club grants as well as the player/club salary cap issues and the constant problem was
- clubs not being told of Rlpa salary cap negotiations
- clubs having there own meeting with Rlpa.
- then clubs being told of negotiations and not happy
- emails being sent from Grant and then the clubs sending one back.
Now all of this could of and probably did happen with the other codes but the way this has happened publically is the unprofessional part. Now people on here take what the news ltd papers report as gospel and without regard for the actual truth. The clubs leak information that suits them and the reporters wouldn't dare bad-mouth there source.

Greenberg, Grant and the commissioners haven't done an amazing job, but not a completely bad job either. I feel they have bit there tongue enough under the constant media barrage of often completely false accusations. They have mostly been professional and refrained from the reports mostly to there detriment. When Grant recently tried to clear up a misunderstanding he was smashed again for apparently throwing Greenberg under the bus. This is just one instance.

Now there is always 2 sides to a story and I just hope that most of you can see that and try and put your feet in Grants or Greenbergs shoes and try dealing with disenfranchised club Ceos that have made there own fair share of mistakes. Whether Grant, Greenberg or any other commissioner gets the sack or leaves, I just hope for the future of Rugby League that clubs/players and the Nrl can be professional, even if they happen to disagree on certain issues. Everyday people, in everyday jobs can achieve it. I just hope someday soon the Nrl can achieve it before it's to late.

 

[El Diablo]

f**k off Beardo

 

[Stormwarrior82]

What the reporters should be reporting on is the Datajam day the Nrl put on. The fact nrl beat the afl in using players gps trackers. The funding the NT government is giving rugby league....and there is so much more that gets under reported. This all gets lost and it's a shame.

 

[taipan]

OK bear with me I'm a slow typer and lover.The following from today's Fin Review by John Stensholt:-
NRL NAVIGATES TRICKY FINANCIAL WATERS BETWEEN THE CLUBS AND IRTS DIGITAL FUTURE.

" NRL CEO Todd Greenberg offers a wry grin and chuckle when the AFR asks if his sport is in disarray, or running out of money.
No.Greenberg insists that is not quite the case.Nor is he feuding with his Chairman John Grant-as has been widely reported in the media.
Yes the sport will have short term funding issues at the end of the year but the problems will only be temporary and are not insurmountable,Greenberg says.

And yes, there is a stows with the clubs over the funding model that will distribute money to the 16 NRL teams, when the new nearly $1.9bn broadcast deal with 9 ,Fox sports and Telstra started next year.

But Greenberg says the parameters of the deal ,the machinations of which almost cost Grant his job only a few months ago-when the clubs mounted a challenge against him to back away at the last minute-are do9ne and will be signed within months.

So why does it always seem that league is a sport at war with itself?
Rugby league is a tough sport and what happens off the field probably reflects that Greenberg confesses.And because of that there tends to be a lot of publicity around what is happening.

But Greenberg still has some issues to get through this year.
After a ludicrous decision to agree to providing clubs 130% of the salary cap for whatever pay deal it agreed to with the players in the next collective bargaining agreement, that deal has been wound back amid some acrimony.

The NRL instead has committed to providing each club with $13m funding annually from next year onwards, which should provide-it is hoped- a margin above whatever salary cap deal-say about $10m-is agreed to with the players late this year.

We've still got the CBA to do and we are committed to making it as fair as possible to the players, while making sure we have enough to spend on other ventures and also the grassroots, where we have to arrest a decline in participation numbers.Greenberg says.

But the parameters of the deal with the clubs is basically done, and now is about working through some of the details of the deal.I'm confident we'll have that done reasonably soon.
But in order to fund that deal and finance other investments-including its new digital business-the nRL will wear some short term financial pain in the last few months of this year.

The margin for error is slim, given the governing body will probably will record another loss this year after losing $2.6m in 23016.It has liquidated its future fund to help with funding issues.

The NRL financial year ends in October,and the new TV funding doesn't kick in til January,so the league may even need to take out a loan to help.
Yes we will have cash flow issues but that is easily explained by the gap...between November 2017 and January 2018 says Greenberg.

The CBA will be a tough negotiation -the players want a fixed % of revenue-but the NRL is also trying to sell 2 clubs it has on its books-Knights and Titans.

We are hoping the Knights deal gets done soon, and the Gold Coat in the second half of the year says Greenberg.We are not natural owners of clubs but we also recognise that the clubs have to have closer links to the community in order to be successful so we've been working harder to do that.

it is unlikely though they the league will reap tens of millions of dollars it had once hoped for to offload the clubs.
Then there is the digital business it is launching at the cost of $30m pa ,which will see the league take control of all its online inventory from Telstra(which will still have streaming rights).
There have been rumblings among the clubs that it is too much money and effort, even if the nRL is setting itself up for the day it could stream matches directly to customers if TV broadcasting rights dry up."
Greenberg admits the NRL has not done a great job yet communicating what we want to do with the digital business."



OK for me apart from the expected spin ,at least some clarity on other factors.IOW I'm not just reading or relying on all the gripes of Gould,Slothfield and all the journos out to sell broad sheets,who consider the admin as Freddie Scissorhjand.

The NRL needs to spell out the full intentions of the Digital System,spell out all the revenue from all sources and spell out their full expenditure.If they did this the public would at least be in a better position to understand the reason for doing this or that, and the players would be better informed as to what is available.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

The Nrl needs to tell the clubs just enough of the digital media structure in absolute confidence. Any leaks and the Nrl go all out and name and shame the clubs. If no leaks tell them more. That's how trust works.

Again today we have origin players, Smith, Malloney and others being asked by reporters about the Arlc/nrl negotiations because clubs leaked emails from the Nrl to clubs in confidence. If clubs hadn't leaked this info none of us would the wiser.

 

[El Diablo]

you leaked first, John

then you made the players out to be bad guys

 

[Stormwarrior82]

you leaked first, John

then you made the players out to be bad guys

How did Grant leak first? Show me the proof?

 

[adamkungl]

Gus is spot on this time.

the players and clubs should be the FIRST point of consideration. At the moment, the players and clubs are the LAST point of consideration. The NRL is saying the clubs and players can only get what's left over, after they have spent all the money on other things.

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There is not a single point made in that article I don't agree with.

 

[adamkungl]

What the NRL is doing is the equivalent to someone spending 75% of their pay on vague "investments" then telling their children they can only afford to feed them 2 of every 3 meals this week.

Such a person would rightfully be called unfit to run a family.

 

[Diesel]

The chairman, CEO and clubs all look f**king stupid. I know what would happen to me if I played bullshit politics where I worked

 

[johnny plath]

What the NRL is doing is the equivalent to someone spending 75% of their pay on vague "investments" then telling their children they can only afford to feed them 2 of every 3 meals this week.

Such a person would rightfully be called unfit to run a family.

you make it sound like the players and clubs are poor oppressed coal miners from the industrial revolution... if they're only getting 2 out of 3 meals, they're pretty f**king decent meals. I think Smith and the other players should just shut the f**k up... they formed a union to do their dirty work for them, now let them do it instead of bleating trying to gain some public sympathy... if they want to go that line, at least trot out some bottom of the barrel NRL player salary earners, not the top echelon saying how hard done by the players are.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Gus is spot on this time.

the players and clubs should be the FIRST point of consideration. At the moment, the players and clubs are the LAST point of consideration. The NRL is saying the clubs and players can only get what's left over, after they have spent all the money on other things.

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There is not a single point made in that article I don't agree with.

Not a single point? Well your an idiot then. They are definitely not the last point of consideration. The Nrl,as well as plenty of fans would not doubt feel the clubs get there fair share, only to spend access or beyond there means on trips overseas or Center of excellences. $53 mil plus was the clubs combined loss in 2016. Parra $12 mil loss, Penrith ~$6mil loss. Apart from poor budgetary planning most of these losses were covered by leagues clubs. So apart from the fake $53 mil plus loss suiting the clubs agenda when they are negotiating more money, the nrl isn't allowed to forecast spending for 2017 and beyond? That's how big companies work.

When they do forecast, they get castrated for not thinking about the poor old clubs or players. The Nrl put a spending forecast together that included money for clubs, players, grassroots, media and other stuff. You would of got up them if they hadn't. Now because the clubs and the players want more than the Nrl forecasts that means, the Nrl don't care about them? What a bullsh!t media driven joke. The Nrl has only so much money, so the more the clubs and players get the less grassroots and media department get. It's not that the Nrl don't care it's the actual fact of the matter. Is it not? The Nrl do care about the clubs and players anything saying otherwise is media driven bs. Just wish everyone could be professional about it.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

The chairman, CEO and clubs all look f**king stupid. I know what would happen to me if I played bullshit politics where I worked

Exactly the same as me. If I was to get interviewed by media and politicized it, I would be a dead man walking. A players/club code of conduct needs to be written or enforced to stop this constant media drivel.

 

[insert.pause]

Gus is spot on this time.

the players and clubs should be the FIRST point of consideration. At the moment, the players and clubs are the LAST point of consideration. The NRL is saying the clubs and players can only get what's left over, after they have spent all the money on other things.

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There is not a single point made in that article I don't agree with.

rubbish, they are getting $13m a year, they are the primary recipients of the rights deal. Gould thinks the NRL's role should be that of a shell company, existing only to funnel it's revenue to the clubs who just expect to be trusted to run decentralised community & development programs that would otherwise be run & paid for by the NRL directly, "because nobody cheers for the NRL". The same clubs that pay out millions of dollars in termination to coaches, and who spend millions on high performance, and who all the while run at multi-million dollar losses each year knowing a licensed club will bail out their irresponsible financial management. Would you trust Manly, a club with the governance of a third world chook raffle, to run a million dollar community program?

I am by no means suggesting the NRL is financially prudent, but they exist as the only body in the game to serve the games interests, they are executing it poorly, but the intent is at least there. The bones are there, the game needs leadership.

 

[insert.pause]

The Nrl needs to tell the clubs just enough of the digital media structure in absolute confidence. Any leaks and the Nrl go all out and name and shame the clubs. If no leaks tell them more. That's how trust works.

Again today we have origin players, Smith, Malloney and others being asked by reporters about the Arlc/nrl negotiations because clubs leaked emails from the Nrl to clubs in confidence. If clubs hadn't leaked this info none of us would the wiser.

How do you know the NRL didn't leak it to the media, or even the RLPA? There are many vested interests in the CBA and they are all vying for community support for their agendas.

 

[adamkungl]

rubbish, they are getting $13m a year, they are the primary recipients of the rights deal. Gould thinks the NRL's role should be that of a shell company, existing only to funnel it's revenue to the clubs who just expect to be trusted to run decentralised community & development programs that would otherwise be run & paid for by the NRL directly, "because nobody cheers for the NRL". The same clubs that pay out millions of dollars in termination to coaches, and who spend millions on high performance, and who all the while run at multi-million dollar losses each year knowing a licensed club will bail out their irresponsible financial management. Would you trust Manly, a club with the governance of a third world chook raffle, to run a million dollar community program?

I am by no means suggesting the NRL is financially prudent, but they exist as the only body in the game to serve the games interests, they are executing it poorly, but the intent is at least there. The bones are there, the game needs leadership.

I'd rather the NRL didn't run a million dollar community program.
I want them to run a football comp.
But if they must, they can pay for it with what's left after paying for the competition and giving the participants of that competition their rightful earnings.

They have no right to tell successful clubs what they should or shouldn't be doing with their money, so allegations of wastage by clubs are not relevant. The clubs are in competition with each other, how they spend their money is part of the off-field game.

Furthermore I have no faith whatsoever in the NRL to suddenly run Rugby League development when the clubs have taken care of this for over 100 years. Allocate fair funding and bugger off.

Nonsense like this is exactly why they can't afford to pay clubs what they promised. This is what Gus means by clubs and players being a secondary consideration.

 

[adamkungl]

Not a single point? Well your an idiot then. They are definitely not the last point of consideration. The Nrl,as well as plenty of fans would not doubt feel the clubs get there fair share, only to spend access or beyond there means on trips overseas or Center of excellences. $53 mil plus was the clubs combined loss in 2016. Parra $12 mil loss, Penrith ~$6mil loss. Apart from poor budgetary planning most of these losses were covered by leagues clubs.

Leagues clubs exist to fund League teams you goose. The losses are imaginary.
NRL puts out this nonsense and you complain about the players and clubs publicly defending themselves fmd

 

[Stormwarrior82]

How do you know the NRL didn't leak it to the media, or even the RLPA? There are many vested interests in the CBA and they are all vying for community support for their agendas.

You're right that there is a lot of vested interest.
A few reasons that it seems it's the clubs leaking is
1. Why would the nrl leak info to a reporter that paints them as the problem?
2. Grants email at apparently 2:45 was addressed to the Ceos. No one else. A photo of the email was shown.
3. A conversation about the salary cap issues between the nrl and clubs that was suppose to be confidential founds it way to the paper.

The leaking of any confidential info is always going to upset someone. No matter how or who leaks, what gets reported and is the normal theme is that it's the Nrls fault.