ARLC Commission Changes

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Why? Haven't the NRL said they can't even fund the 13mil they've promised?

I'm not sure what the exact number is - but it seems fair that it should be in proportion with the game's earnings, since the players and clubs are the people who actually generate that money.

My main concern is the attitude, helped by the NRL, that funding going to the clubs is "handouts" and that players asking for a proportional increase in income in line with the games overall earnings are greedy. The attitude that the NRL has some right to tell clubs how to run their affairs while they themselves leak money.
And the NRL actually ARE leaking money, unlike the majority of the clubs.

Secondary concern is the idea that that fairly young ARLC are experts on all things Rugby League and the clubs that have grown the game for decades are inept.
This ties into debate over whether things like development should be centrally run.

The NRL has no runs on the board - why should we trust them to run grassroots Rugby League from their offices in Moore park? Is it more expensive to do so? Do regions get the attention they need?
What does throwing $100 million at a problem achieve when the people with the actual problem are saying we don't need $100 million we need you to actually listen?

No, the clubs are getting $13m pa, a cashflow problem for three months between the end and start of the new rights cycle is not going to prevent that.

Unlike the majority of clubs? The majority of clubs are loss makers, that was their whole argument for needing greater funding, including Gould, who you seem to be regurgitating.

 

[siv]

The Nrl is a lot more than running a footbal comp and that's a good thing. That's why we have successful business leaders on our commission. It's not just about football. We have ex players, ex club Ceos in the Nrl hierarchy. I guess most of it comes down to what a person feels is a reasonable wage (rightful earnings) for a player.

Haha I had to laugh when you said successful clubs. You mean successful club.... broncos? Clubs that get propped up by leagues club and would be bankrupt without them or there rich owners is hardly a sign of success. Yes they are in competition with each other but the majority of them are hardly successful off the park.

Do you feel clubs have been doing a good job developing rugby league? I don't. The decrease in player participation says "HELL NO". Maybe the nrl taking over is what is needed. I don't think the roosters care much about development in country Nsw or development in general.

Maybe the nrl need to monetize the impact of all the off field indiscretions by clubs and players over the current tv deal and add it into the next salary deal. If the nrl can still increase revenue when players and clubs are doing there best to stuff up, that is something.

It's not that they can't pay the clubs what the clubs want, it will just come from an area like grassroots or media.

NRL has a charter to run the elite comp only

You will find that NSW NRL clubs have a charter to promote and development RL within their district under the NSWRL

The ARLC has the charter of running the game across Australia not the NRL

NRL is going beyond its jurisdiction and causes so many issues

 

[Spot On]

I can't see any reason for the cap to be @10 million. There are many players already on absolutely huge money who are no where near stars of the game. I'm very happy for the top players to earn big money ( and there are not too many of them) but your ave first grader is just that - average.

 

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It wasn't a leaked report to clubs at all. I referenced a leaked report from the clubs.

The Nrl was negotiating with the Rlpa around the salary cap. The clubs complained that they were being told nothing and sort there own information from the Rlpa and do deals. The Nrl was pissed that the Rlpa and clubs were colluding. The Nrl then had a meeting with the clubs to tell them the situation and the state of play with the Rlpa under confidence. The clubs leaked that information to undermine the nrl. Why would the nrl leak it. It lessens there negotiation power if the clubs were on there side.

Go find out what Smith is whinging about today and come back. You are all over the shop.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Leagues clubs exist to fund League teams you goose. The losses are imaginary.
NRL puts out this nonsense and you complain about the players and clubs publicly defending themselves fmd

Still waiting for you to clarify and show me an example of the nonsense the nrl apparently puts out?

you leaked first, John

then you made the players out to be bad guys

Still waiting for you to show an example of the Nrl leaking information?

 

[Stormwarrior82]

NRL has a charter to run the elite comp only

You will find that NSW NRL clubs have a charter to promote and development RL within their district under the NSWRL

The ARLC has the charter of running the game across Australia not the NRL

NRL is going beyond its jurisdiction and causes so many issues

Im sorry but I was talking about Nrl as a whole including the Arlc. I accept that the Arlc has a charter to run rugby league and everything under that. Departments within the arlc help deliver those key performance indicators. Grassroots money should be given to states and affiliates to use to develop and increase participation. I don't think the nrl (Greenberg) is going beyond there jurisdiction. Salary cap issues are a nrl (Greenberg) issue.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Go find out what Smith is whinging about today and come back. You are all over the shop.

You have nothing else to say? I'm not over the shop at all. You saying that doesn't actually make it true.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

The $10 mil mark is easily achieved. The Rlpa proposed a $9.1 mil cap plus a $900k second tier cap, plus 10% discount for long serving as well as 10% for developed players plus money for health and wellbeing incentives at clubs. I'm sure there are more issues I haven't brought up. As well as the nrl paying for the Rlpa unions costs. $10mil isn't hard to get to when actually start looking into it.

 

[Perth Red]

AUSTRALIAN captain Cameron Smith has not ruled out strike action after being angered by the NRL’s response to the player union’s pay demands.

Smith was less than impressed by leaked NRL emails to clubs that claimed the Rugby League Players Association’s collective bargaining agreement proposal was unaffordable and showed “an apparent disregard for the game”.

Asked if strike action was now possible, RLPA general president Smith said: “We have some ideas in mind but hopefully it doesn’t come to that”. Smith was fuming over the “inflammatory language” in the NRL emails which claimed the RLPA’s pay demands would destroy the game.

The NRL reportedly told clubs the players’ submission would threaten to eat into club grants that are believed to be 130 per cent of a salary cap that could reach as high as $10 million.

“I believe there was a document released from the NRL to the clubs with some fairly inflammatory words in those documents which are completely untrue,” Smith said.

“That’s the most disappointing part. We have entered this discussion wanting to grow the game but for certain people in the NRL to go back to the clubs and put an idea in their mind that the players are going to bring the game to its knees is really hard to believe to be honest.”

Smith also questioned the game’s handling of the finances.

“There’s been a forecast of between $400 and $700 million that the game is going to bring in every year for the next five years,” Smith said. “You give the clubs 130 per cent funding, the game is left with $192 million to run the game — that is working on $400 million coming in.

“Surely that is enough. If you can’t run a game with $192 million that’s a fair concern.

“Is it the wrong administration in or are they spending money badly?”

http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/ca...e/news-story/2648d949f3e9f2603981b48aa932747a

 

[Perth Red]

Not sure where the $400mill projected NRL revenue is coming from? 2016 the NRL non media revenue was $144mill, presumably that isn't expected to drop in 17-23? The NRL deal was worth, allegedly (and we don't know about contra and NZ so lets be conservative) $360mill a year ($1.8bill). That means a revenue of at least $500mill a year.

$208 mill to clubs leaves the NRL $292million a year to run the game FFS! That's nearly as much money as they had in 2013 when they paid club grants and still made a $45mill surplus!!

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

If I had a say, I would be getting the Eels CEO to run the show.A former rl player with business nous.

Why would he ever take the job?? Give it 2 months and he would be the most hated man in the game because he didnt give everyone every little they they ever wished for....

 

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You have nothing else to say? I'm not over the shop at all. You saying that doesn't actually make it true.

You said "Again today we have origin players, Smith, Malloney and others being asked by reporters about the Arlc/nrl negotiations because clubs leaked emails from the Nrl to clubs in confidence."

Those players were being asked about this;

Player payments would break through the $1 billion mark in the next collective bargaining agreement and will "ultimately destroy the financial viability and structure of the game and its clubs" if a proposal from the players' union is accepted, a leaked NRL document claims.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ds-will-destroy-the-game-20170527-gwehb0.html

To which I queried why it couldn't have been the NRL that leaked it, in order to win support against unreasonable player demands.

 

[applesauce]

I don't have sympathy for the clubs or players.

If you gave the clubs a dollar a year they would spend $1.50 with the hope the extra spending leads to on field success and makes up the difference.

The players want more cash but don't want to be role models, freely available to the media or sell the game to public.

Pretty sad state of self interest and entitlement all round.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

I don't have sympathy for the clubs or players.

If you gave the clubs a dollar a year they would spend $1.50 with the hope the extra spending leads to on field success and makes up the difference.

The players want more cash but don't want to be role models, freely available to the media or sell the game to public.

Pretty sad state of self interest and entitlement all round.

Rather than raise the Salary cap, we should be putting the new money for players into Representitive payments...

Force the players to take Rep games seriously, force the players to behave themselves (lest they rise losing $50-100k by missing out on Origin or a Test) and force them to promote their matches.

The club salary cap should be the basic wage for the lower tier players and maybe half the salary of the elite guys. Give them the CHANCE to make their $millions as long as they behave and respect the game.

(And, it is probably the easiest way for the ARLC to take power from the clubs)

 

[taipan]

Why would he ever take the job?? Give it 2 months and he would be the most hated man in the game because he didnt give everyone every little they they ever wished for....

I understood he was one of the early applicants.Gurr has worked in the rat race in the USA,he would be used to pressure and perhaps dislike.
No one should head any organisation, if they expect to be popular. A good exec must be able to make the tough decisions.
IMO this is where Greenberg and Grant need to show some balls, spell out all revenue ,all justified expenditure.Then say to the RLPA OK we will up the ante to X amount, but that's it no more.
The big unknown is what's going to happen revenue wise from 2023.If revenue drops for whatever reason,are the players going to drop their salaries? Probably not,therefore grassroot's funding is chopped as are other essentials.

 

[taipan]

We have had one year of decline in full contact mens regos, other player numbers are up and we want to throw $100mill at a problem that didn't exist prior to last year? Like I said most of that $100mill will be going to the second tier comp clubs and not grass roots anyway. If we were talking about funding a free national insurance scheme, free kits for every team and subsidised regos then I think we would all be overjoyed, but a load of NRl reserve grade clubs getting another half a mill year is hardly going to address something that may or may not be a problem.

With due respect how the hell do you know where the grassroots funding will be going.If most goes to 2nd tier clubs, there will be stuff all for increasing DOs and expanding the amateur juniors (kids to 17).
I agree with you re free insurance and kits assisting ,but I think it's more than just that.

EG Weight for age teams.I know of plenty of instances in the Shire ,mums saying some of the kids are as big as men playing my Billy .

 

[The Great Dane]

F**k it give em as close to the amount that they want as is feasible, but add caveats such as they must play any and all international tests and representative games that they are selected for, unless an independent doctor selected by the NRL says that they're unfit to play, and that they must officially represent the NRL at x amount of public engagements each year (school visits, hospital visits, public events, etc).

If they're going to be greedy then let them, just make them pay for it in other duties.

 

[Pedge1971]

Couldn't we all ask Phil Gould the same questions he asks nrl..

If they get $13 million a year as wanted + on a conservative basis another $9m in revenue from sponsors and members and pokies

And only have to pay the players $10m

Where does the other $12m go

It's basically the same argument is he is having about the nrl .. just on a smaller scale

penrith rlfc has like 72 employees outside of players .. is this overkill for a business of its size ??

Its not a business. Businesses make money. NRL clubs bleed money.

 

[Perth Red]

With due respect how the hell do you know where the grassroots funding will be going.If most goes to 2nd tier clubs, there will be stuff all for increasing DOs and expanding the amateur juniors (kids to 17).
I agree with you re free insurance and kits assisting ,but I think it's more than just that.

EG Weight for age teams.I know of plenty of instances in the Shire ,mums saying some of the kids are as big as men playing my Billy .

History is a good teacher. The majority of increased "grassroots" funding in last 3 years has gone to nsw and qland cup teams, not actual grassroots. The nrl has been spruiking a new revised second tier comp, this grass roots funding is what will pay for it.

http://sportsbusinessinsider.com.au...nce/nrl-set-to-boost-second-tier-competition/

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Exactly the same as me. If I was to get interviewed by media and politicized it, I would be a dead man walking. A players/club code of conduct needs to be written or enforced to stop this constant media drivel.

Difference is you have no power at your work..

Smith and co can boycott the rlwc and cost the game $30m in loses and give the world's biggest free kick to RU ..

What can you do at your work
. Take a couple of biscuits ?.