ARLC Commission Changes

[Cumberland Throw]

Leagues clubs exist to fund League teams you goose. The losses are imaginary.
NRL puts out this nonsense and you complain about the players and clubs publicly defending themselves fmd

Exactly .. dogs rlfc loses 5m gets grant from a lc that makes $15m profit

Then cries poor ..

Why don't they sign up kia thru the league's club ABN and then lose another $1.5m

Cry more poor

 

[El Diablo]

why don't you get a job, Tosser

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

With due respect how the hell do you know where the grassroots funding will be going.If most goes to 2nd tier clubs, there will be stuff all for increasing DOs and expanding the amateur juniors (kids to 17).
I agree with you re free insurance and kits assisting ,but I think it's more than just that.

EG Weight for age teams.I know of plenty of instances in the Shire ,mums saying some of the kids are as big as men playing my Billy .

The clear problem with this is that you might get big 10yo playing against little15 year olds. Sure they are the same size, but the mental development will not be there for the young kids...

The best solution i have hear is a blend of age- and weight-groups. Create age brackets of 2 years instead of 1 (13/14s, 14/15s, 15/16s, etc) then divide each age in an over/under system; basically give every age a weight number (13s = 40kg, 14s-45kg, etc) so the big kids play up against the old, little kids.

Its not perfect, but it doesnt go too far either way; maybe the younger kids will still be comparatively huge but the little kids will have that extra year of maturity and technique....

 

[taipan]

History is a good teacher. The majority of increased "grassroots" funding in last 3 years has gone to nsw and qland cup teams, not actual grassroots. The nrl has been spruiking a new revised second tier comp, this grass roots funding is what will pay for it.

http://sportsbusinessinsider.com.au...nce/nrl-set-to-boost-second-tier-competition/

History is well and truly over,and people usually learn from historical mistakes.Ask Japan,Germany and Italy.
So the money that is currently going toward the U20s comp, is going to be added to the additional funding the NRL is after just to fund the 2nd tier comp. And ignore any extra for grassroots.Sorry I don't believe that for 1 minute.

You believe that so be it.But citing sports business insider is not the final answer nor arbiter.

Please tell me out of the additional $100m just how much will be used for this 2nd tier comp?Bearing in mind current U 20 funding also.

 

[taipan]

The clear problem with this is that you might get big 10yo playing against little15 year olds. Sure they are the same size, but the mental development will not be there for the young kids...

The best solution i have hear is a blend of age- and weight-groups. Create age brackets of 2 years instead of 1 (13/14s, 14/15s, 15/16s, etc) then divide each age in an over/under system; basically give every age a weight number (13s = 40kg, 14s-45kg, etc) so the big kids play up against the old, little kids.

Its not perfect, but it doesnt go too far either way; maybe the younger kids will still be comparatively huge but the little kids will have that extra year of maturity and technique....

I agree to a certain extent, but the problem I see is you still need a hell of a lot of available kids, to be able to afford that luxury.
Many years ago when rl was able to secure large numbers of juniors ,we had that sort of luxury.Even today should we increase junior numbers<I don't believe we will get back to huge junior numbers.We live in this PC ,mollycoddle our kids' society.Too many sooks.

 

[adamkungl]

I agree to a certain extent, but the problem I see is you still need a hell of a lot of available kids, to be able to afford that luxury.
Many years ago when rl was able to secure large numbers of juniors ,we had that sort of luxury.Even today should we increase junior numbers<I don't believe we will get back to huge junior numbers.We live in this PC ,mollycoddle our kids' society.Too many sooks.

Softcock blokes getting overruled by softcock mums raising softcock kids, $100mil aint gonna fix it

 

[POPEYE]

Softcock blokes getting overruled by softcock mums raising softcock kids, $100mil aint gonna fix it

Yeh, I used to love 'It's A Knockout' on Ch10, safety first has a lot to answer for . . . amazing the number of parents that think it's better to have their children with pale complexions, flat arses and deteriorating eyesight

 

[taipan]

Softcock blokes getting overruled by softcock mums raising softcock kids, $100mil aint gonna fix it

$100m is going to help fix insurance and kit costs. Softcocks will always be softcocks.Blame society ,and technology,we'd rather be gamers than players.Lounge lizards rather than out getting our bodies dirty.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Difference is you have no power at your work..

Smith and co can boycott the rlwc and cost the game $30m in loses and give the world's biggest free kick to RU ..

What can you do at your work
. Take a couple of biscuits ?.

I personally don't have much power but my union sure does. If I strike, people's lives are at risk. The company made a deal with our union to not strike and signed an agreement stating as much. Maybe the nrl needs to look at that avenue.

This is a total media beat up. The players aren't bringing up striking. Just because the reporters are asking about it, doesn't mean it's going to happen.

 

[siv]

Im sorry but I was talking about Nrl as a whole including the Arlc. I accept that the Arlc has a charter to run rugby league and everything under that. Departments within the arlc help deliver those key performance indicators. Grassroots money should be given to states and affiliates to use to develop and increase participation. I don't think the nrl (Greenberg) is going beyond there jurisdiction. Salary cap issues are a nrl (Greenberg) issue.

Just ask NRL-WA NRL-SA NRL-NT and NRL-VIC - they might feel differently

Also pushing NSW aligned NRL clubs out of NSWRL competitions for lower grades is also causing a big issue

 

[siv]

History is well and truly over,and people usually learn from historical mistakes.Ask Japan,Germany and Italy.
So the money that is currently going toward the U20s comp, is going to be added to the additional funding the NRL is after just to fund the 2nd tier comp. And ignore any extra for grassroots.Sorry I don't believe that for 1 minute.

You believe that so be it.But citing sports business insider is not the final answer nor arbiter.

Please tell me out of the additional $100m just how much will be used for this 2nd tier comp?Bearing in mind current U 20 funding also.

Hearing a $100k per team you have entered from U16 to RG

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Like I have showed on here before, it doesn't take much to get to the expected $500 mil revenue amount.
$208 mil to clubs with $292mil left.
From 2016 annual report I've increased amounts minimally for inflation purpose.

The media have spoken about costs of running the game. It's no where near the $292 mil players and media have stated. It currently costs approx $140 mil.

Events and sponsorship $75 mil
Admin $25 mil
Football $25 mil
Community and player welfare $15 mil

Now these are the extra funding amounts that the Nrl currently do fund and are also wanting to fund.
Do fund
Development $30 mil
State leagues and affiliates $30 mil
Want to fund
Grassroots $100 mil
Digital $50 mil per year plus.

I think most here can see the benefit of the funding requirements given our poor media dept and grassroots player numbers.

Now the $100 mil grassroots has already been lowered to $86 mil due to club grants. You can argue for and against with that decision.

The players money will come out of the $208 mil the clubs are getting and can make or break the financial security of teams. Maybe the fact the Nrl forced a sinking fund in the club deal will be a master stroke. It will affect the chance for clubs to get ahead and for the nrl to on sell the 2 clubs.

It's not about more money for the commission it's about finally funding areas that need it.

Where should the money be taken from first?

 

[taipan]

Hearing a $100k per team you have entered from U16 to RG

Fair enough but,I want to see the total split expenditure expenditure:-
Kids grassroots/DOS/u16 to RG/Affiliated states/schools/women's rlLeague tag, plus throw in Integrity/Admin H/O/Digital ,PI assistance .Money for future infrastructure.Selling price of the Titans and the Knights.When will the NRL be repaid by the tigers and Dragons for their Loans.

When yours truly and no doubt the players see all this, and are also given the actual not their NRL estimated income, then we'll al have an idea what the code can or cannot afford.

ATM I don't know who to believe the players? the NRL? Or the fliipsticks in the media, who have the ability to embellish any "scoop" they can get via leaks.
Somewhere in the middle of this cluster*ck lies the truth.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Just ask NRL-WA NRL-SA NRL-NT and NRL-VIC - they might feel differently

Also pushing NSW aligned NRL clubs out of NSWRL competitions for lower grades is also causing a big issue

Not sure what point your trying to make but I'm sure those states will welcome the extra money from the head office.

 

[Perth Red]

Like I have showed on here before, it doesn't take much to get to the expected $500 mil revenue amount.
$208 mil to clubs with $292mil left.
From 2016 annual report I've increased amounts minimally for inflation purpose.

The media have spoken about costs of running the game. It's no where near the $292 mil players and media have stated. It currently costs approx $140 mil.

Events and sponsorship $75 mil
Admin $25 mil
Football $25 mil
Community and player welfare $15 mil

Now these are the extra funding amounts that the Nrl currently do fund and are also wanting to fund.
Do fund
Development $30 mil
State leagues and affiliates $30 mil
Want to fund
Grassroots $100 mil
Digital $50 mil per year plus.

I think most here can see the benefit of the funding requirements given our poor media dept and grassroots player numbers.

Now the $100 mil grassroots has already been lowered to $86 mil due to club grants. You can argue for and against with that decision.

The players money will come out of the $208 mil the clubs are getting and can make or break the financial security of teams. Maybe the fact the Nrl forced a sinking fund in the club deal will be a master stroke. It will affect the chance for clubs to get ahead and for the nrl to on sell the 2 clubs.

It's not about more money for the commission it's about finally funding areas that need it.

Where should the money be taken from first?

Not sure on your figures. On a reasonable to expect $500mill revenue for 2018 it would look (based on 16 annual report figures with a slight above CPI increase for 17&18:

2018
Revenue
Media $355million
Non media $145 million

Expected Expenditure
NRL:
NRL clubs $208mill
Event, Game and sponsorship (would love to know details of this!) $79mill
Football $21.5mill
Community and Player Welfare $18million
Integrity and Salary Cap $3.5million
Admin $24million

Grassroots:
States and Affiliates $33million
Development $32million

Total Income $500mill
Total Expenditure $419million

Proposed new expenditures
Digital $30million
Grass roots $20million

Total Income $500mill
Total Expenditure $469million

Profit $31million

Am I missing something or is the NRL not being fair dinkum about the struggle street claims it is facing?

 

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Revenue sharing models can only include revenue sources derived directly or loosely from the players, they can't claim a share of revenue from government grants or player registrations etc.

The NRL is doing what they are expected to do, get away with paying as little as possible. That's what happens in cba negotiations in any sport in the world.

 

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The digital expense is going to be bagged by newscorp, since they're essentially setting up a rival platform to foxsports.

 

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Kent declared the game is "broke", seriously? What does he think the game is fighting over?

 

[Perth Red]

Maybe the NRL should handball the players negotiations to the clubs seeing as they seem to want to be involved. Say "here's your $13million each, now negotiate with the RLPA how much of that goes to the players"!

 

[Perth Red]

Kent declared the game is "broke", seriously? What does he think the game is fighting over?

TBh when you have Cam Smith, who is representing the players, not understanding that the NRL income is likely to be $500mill in 2018, you cant expect hacks like Kent to do the simple maths I have done above showing what the NRL's budget is likely to be!