Auburn Warriors win Parramatta 9's

[Nfed]

Warriors overcame a send off just before half time to beat Guildford 42-12 in the final.

A few of the 2004 side are gone but Warriors have recruited well - John Kagi & Billy Opetaia (Sydney Bulls), Marcel Sage & Joe El Sage (Cabra), Mona Elahmad (Newtown) and Lou Alemeddine & Tarek Houchar (Kellyville).

Guildford were boosted by the return of Brett Lee and Nathan Carr from Woy Woy but outclassed by the Warriors who beat Wenty in the semi. Cabra were eliminated in the quarters and Asquith failed to show.

Wenty has a $100,000 budget for its Parra Cup team but that may not be enough to overcome a supercharged Warriors team in 2005.

 

[mightydragon]

Cabra were eliminated by never ending swinging arms and down right dirty football from Mac Fields. Disgraceful referreeing allowed it to continue for the entire 18 minutes.

 

[Jeffles]

$100K for A Grade. What is Wenty's problem?

 

[Fanny Batter]

Wenty has a $100,000 budget for its Parra Cup team but that may not be enough to overcome a supercharged Warriors team in 2005.

hav u guys seen brewsters millions. richard pryor has to spend all this money and hav nuthin to show for it at the end.did the magpies take a leaf out of their book.

i h8 hearin stories like this.wenty paid guys full time wages in metro days.they may still do that.cabra offer kids toys to entice them ova.ryde spent a lot on teir sides wen they were independent.all the while clubs that did try like illawarra norths and newtown struggle like buggery.its like a big junket.sum of these clubs care more about their own skin than the betterment of rl. that disgusts me.

 

[Nfed]

I would be surprised if Asquith spent less than 100k on its A grade last year. They imported a dozen players from Bartercard. Maori TV was so interested in the move that it ran a 13 part series on these guys life in sydney on and off the field. Asquith has been quoted as saying that it will spend 50k on its A grade this year and that will be a much inferior team to 2004.

The fact is that when NSWRL cut out metro it said Jim Beam would have a 25 player squad so the existing clubs wanted somewhere to play the 8 guys that missed out each week and asked Parra JL to run a comp. 6 of the 8 teams have licenced clubs and another, Hills District, are resouceful enough to have played grand finals in metro without a leagues club. Players will play elsewhere unless clubs play the freight.

 

[Jeffles]

These are clubs that do not own their own ground (but could afford to). These are clubs that could have more kids playing for them etc. What I am saying is that there are better ways to spend the cash. Players at that level were (are) overpaid considering what they bring.

 

[Nfed]

Now there is a novel idea - purchase a ground. Does any major club in Australia, other than St Marys, own a ground?

 

[mono_mal]

These are clubs that do not own their own ground (but could afford to).

Wenty and Cabra both have grounds adjacent to their leagues club premises. Unsure if they own them or not though they do provide finances for their uptake and do have exclusive use to these grounds.
What more do you ask?

These are clubs that could have more kids playing for them etc.

Wenty and Cabra are arguably the two leading clubs within the Parramatta District. This being both numbers and quality wise. In Wentys case they advertise extensively in local media and promote Try Rugby League programs during summer months to entice more children to play rugby league.
Again. What more do you ask?

 

[Jeffles]

Cronulla and St Mary's own their own ground. Unsure about other clubs.

Mono Mal, Wenty do not have exclusive use of their ground. Cricket use it in the summer. You will notice that every year the Magpies start the season with an abnormal amount of away games. I don't know about Cabra SG use in summer. But you are wrong on Wenty. My point is that they could afford to do something useful like have their own facility so they could avoid Council clashes (which do exist), play their own game and expand the sport but instead they overpay players for little return. Hardly a long term investment.

As for club numbers Wenty have 24 teams accoridng to their website. Cabra have 17 according to Sporting Pulse. Newtown have a figure somewhere in between but on a shoestring budget. Compare these clubs to St Mary's. What more do I ask? I think they could do better.

 

[mono_mal]

Jeffles,
The cricket club that uses Ringrose Park in the summer is the Wentworthville Leagues Cricket Club. The RL club still trains at Ringrose and the impact lies solely with the loss of one or two junior league trial rounds and Jim Beam Cup trials and early season fixtures.
I hardly think owning their own facility would dramatically expand the sport and would simply be a waste of funds. An improvement on Ringrose to provide more undercover seating would be far more beneficial.

Whilst the Junior Jets may have a shoestring budget they also have the huge benefit of Souths Juniors providing free registration to all players, free coaces/trainer education, and free uniforms.

Perhaps the spending of 100 000 on A-Grade has resulted in the clubs large senior numbers. 3 senior teams, C-Grade and from memory a number of teams in the older 16,17's age groups.

 

[Fanny Batter]

if u owned ur own ground u wouldnt hafta put up wif soccer and other sports tryin 2 play.i think thatd b good. st marys hav dun well out of it.

 

[Jeffles]

I hardly think owning their own facility would dramatically expand the sport and would simply be a waste of funds. An improvement on Ringrose to provide more undercover seating would be far more beneficial.

More undercover seating. They have no fans to accomodate.

Seriously though, the benefit of owning your own ground would be that you could use it all year round. Coaching clinics, school holiday activities, summer camps, no waiting for cricket, the ability to expand your club without worrying about sharing with another sport AND a property holding for the portfolio. The benefits are clear as day.

Whilst the Junior Jets may have a shoestring budget they also have the huge benefit of Souths Juniors providing free registration to all players, free coaces/trainer education, and free uniforms.

Then why doesn't St Peters, Camperdown Dragons or Marrickville RSL have as many teams as we do. They get the same Souths Juniors benefits. Newtown actually get out there and promote the sport. That's what brings in the players. wenty can afford to do way more than what the jets does. And there are many more families in the west than there are in the inner city.

Perhaps the spending of 100 000 on A-Grade has resulted in the clubs large senior numbers. 3 senior teams, C-Grade and from memory a number of teams in the older 16,17's age groups

I doubt it. The youngsters aren't getting paid that much. I cannot see the link.

 

[mono_mal]

Fanny Batter,
Ringrose has never been used as a soccer ground to my knowledge nor has it ever been intended to. Im fairly certain the same goes for Cabramatta SG.
Jeffles,
1. Whilst they have few fans to accomodate there is currently NO undercover seating. This makes it quite uncomfortable for junior games and games where there are crowds. To cover a tier or two seats would be inexpensive and rectify this problem easily.
2.Coaching clinics and school holiday activities are currently held at Ringrose. The worries involved in sharing with another sport are next to none.
3.And on the property holding front its not really necessary as Wenty already own several properties and are therefore raking in more from rent etc then they ever would from a football ground.

A possible reason behind the Junior Jets numbers over the Dragons, RSL etc is the clubs reputation within the innner west. People are drawn to the 'Jets' due to their allignment with the senior club and it also offers players a direct link to play at a higher level in the future.
On your point that there are many more families in the Wenty area this again applies to St Marys which you earlier commented on!

And on not being able to see the link to the $ and the number of Wenty senior teams:
The money offered to the A-Grade offers an incentive for players to continue playing with the Wentworthville club on top of the benfit of a link to higher level football(JBC).
By having higher quality players it attracts better coaches, wishing to progress through the ranks to a higher level, who again bring players to the club.

Whilst I agree Wenty could give more to RL I believe the criticism of there spending for A-Grade is unfounded.
They obviously have the money so what should be being asked is why they are not spending more cash additionaly on the junior club.
This question could be asked of just about any licensed RL club though.
Wenty should be being congratulated for actually making an effort in promoting senior RL as opposed to a number of clubs!

 

[mono_mal]

NFed,
Back to the nines.
Did you see the Guildford C-Grade side competing and if so how did they go?

 

[Nfed]

Mono, you have the makings of a fine analyst - cutting through the crap like a knife through butter.

On the real estate - apart from some holiday units at Nelson bay for members hire, wenty owns more than 30 properties in the four streets bordering the club. The rents do produce about 15% of the club's profits but it looks like they are consolidating the club site long term so that they could double the size of the club's perimeter.

St Marys built its ground at a cost of $5.8 million but it acquired the land on which the oval stands and the other land around the club dirt cheap in the 70's. If they had to acquire the ground site number you could probably double the cost of the oval.

Wenty spent $600,000 resurfacing Ringrose in 2002 so that the players get the benefit of an NRL standard playing surface.

On the 9's, I didnt see the pool games but Guildford beat Mounties easily in the quarters, managed to get on top of Macquarie Fields in the semi but were absolutely walloped by Warriors, who have a big side. Moneh Elahmad was unstoppable, they never dropped a pass and have some creative backs.

Apart from the boys back from Woy Woy, the Owls have also picked up Mark Cameron and Nick Calandra from Cabra.

 

[Fanny Batter]

wot happens wen sport expands and holroyd counil has to share ringrose wif anutha winter sport.it could happen.theres a lot of pressure on sports grounds.in my area asquith had a battle with the council.the jets and the soccer struggled 2.

 

[Jeffles]

I didn't know about the resurfacing,. Full credit to them. I stand by my points. Good sparring with you MM.

 

[Frailty]

Cabra were eliminated by never ending swinging arms and down right dirty football from Mac Fields. Disgraceful referreeing allowed it to continue for the entire 18 minutes.

Two points:
1. Local Referees
2. I was actually there and it was done fairly, if you had penalty after penalty to both sides the whole point of the day would be lost.

 

[Frailty]

Also if anyone wants to check out A Grade Wenty side, they are playing a trial on sunday at 3pm at ringrose oval against parramatta junior eels. THe action will start at 12pm with U/17s followed by the C-grade match.

 

[testeagles]

the thing i find funny about the money is that most these players playing Agrade are paid more than most premier league players. the blokes in the top25 who are full time are paid ok but the other 10 or so players making up the premier league teams are lucky to be paid 500 a win at most clubs. i know souths players are lucky to be getting 300 a win. just seems unfair for those blokes who train 4-5 nights a week to be paid less. also jim beam payments? what would people say is the average payments of jim beam cup players?