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Australia in South Africa (postponed) and in NZ SQUADs 2021

undertaker

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Paine doesnt think he is going anywhere for now....


https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...failures-but-determined-to-soldier-on-1248489

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Australia's captain Tim Paine has no intention of resigning, even after giving a frank and unflattering assessment of how his team found themselves beaten by an injury-ravaged India side in the battle for the Border Gavaskar Trophy, capped with the first victory by a visiting team at the Gabba since 1988.

At 36, Paine said he was looking ahead to the forthcoming tour of South Africa and a bid to qualify for the final of the World Test Championship, but would not guarantee his tenure beyond that to next summer's home Ashes series.

Clearly rocked by consecutive day fives in which he was unable to marshal a strong bowling attack to deliver victory over Ajinkya Rahane's preternaturally resilient tourists, Paine said India had in truth won the majority of the key moments across all four Tests, cancelled out only by one crazy hour in Adelaide where they had been razed for 36.

"Even if you went right back to Adelaide, if it was with bat, ball or field, every time we had a chance to go ahead of the game we let it slip," Paine said. "It happened a little bit in Sydney with our fielding, and then yesterday a bit with our batting, we continually lost wickets when we were trying to put the foot down and couldn't quite get a partnership together. I thought every time India needed to do that or needed a wicket, someone managed to do it for them. I think they won the key moments.

"I just said then to JL [coach Justin Langer], we turned up in Sydney on day five and the Gabba on day five in as good a position as you would want to be in I reckon, and couldn't get the job done, so there's some things that we should've and could've done better, but at the same time I thought India, their batting group were amazing on both those day fives."

Asked whether Australia had been too determined simply to stick to their simple and trusted methods for bullying opponents with pace bowling and fast scoring in Australian conditions, as opposed to the more considered and fit-for-purpose approaches tried in recent away series in India and England, Paine wondered whether the pitches had aided his men as much as usual.

"Everyone's got a great plan for opposition, but India just managed to play better than us," he said. "They managed to get through our plans for longer than we managed to get through theirs, particularly in the key moments.

"I'm not sure whether [it was] the wickets with the lack of cricket they've had, but certainly Sydney didn't do as much as we thought it would do on day five. Even today I thought that wicket was really going to open up and there'd be cracks everywhere and balls would be flying, but it didn't happen as much as we thought it would. But India's batters turned up and wore it on the body and toughed it out and kept soldiering on and then took the game away from us late.

"They [India] guys came in and played their roles and that's what you expect of anyone. Whether they're big name players or not, I think they showed they've got some real depth and skill. They outplayed us, I don't think we took them lightly or thought we were going to roll them over. They're a very proud cricket country and they've got a huge population and a lot of skilful players to pick from and they played bloody well. They toughed it out, they were disciplined, and the guys who came in played a role."

As for questions about whether Australia might have considered looking more deeply into their bowling squad, Paine said that Pat Cummins, Josh Hazlewood, Mitchell Starc and Nathan Lyon had earned the right to expect inclusion whenever they are fit to play.

"Those four bowlers were ready to go, no doubt about that. Certainly they and I won't be using that as an excuse," he said. "This isn't the first time they've played a four-Test series...we're lucky we've got such durable fast bowlers. Had we held our catches in Sydney they wouldn't have had to bowl the overs they did have. I thought they did a tremendous job throughout the whole series, they created chances, I think we could've scored more runs and given them more scoreboard pressure at times.

Paine talking like he has a mortgage on a position in the starting XI
 

mozza91

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I don’t have that much of an issue with Paine staying in the 11.
He just needs to be stripped of the captaincy.
 

Bazal

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The last thing we need is to strip put only captain of the role. Theres literally no one else. Disastrous.

What we actually need to do is what we should have done from day dot when he was selected for the role...anoint a genuine successor and get them experience in a leadership role so we can switch it up at a specified time, maybe the end of the next home season.
 

gUt

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Richardson has some shoulder problem where he can bowl well enough but can't throw. Don't know whether you want to take that into 5 day cricket.
 
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The last thing we need is to strip put only captain of the role. Theres literally no one else. Disastrous.

What we actually need to do is what we should have done from day dot when he was selected for the role...anoint a genuine successor and get them experience in a leadership role so we can switch it up at a specified time, maybe the end of the next home season.


We’ve already appointed Cummins VC, he’s the clear successor if it isn’t going to be Smith.
 

Bazal

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We’ve already appointed Cummins VC, he’s the clear successor if it isn’t going to be Smith.

Absolutely not. And I don't believe the hierarchy want him as captain either, tbh.

The last thing he needs is to carry this mob any more. Fast bowlers need down time between overs and spells. They don't need to have to run the team when they're totally gassed after a 12 over stint.
 
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Absolutely not. And I don't believe the hierarchy want him as captain either, tbh.

The last thing he needs is to carry this mob any more. Fast bowlers need down time between overs and spells. They don't need to have to run the team when they're totally gassed after a 12 over stint.


Maybe they’ve changed their minds, but when they removed Head and Hazlewood as VC’s, it was a pretty clear signal to me that they wanted Cummins as the next captain. Why else remove two other guys and put Cummins in?
 

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Maybe they’ve changed their minds, but when they removed Head and Hazlewood as VC’s, it was a pretty clear signal to me that they wanted Cummins as the next captain. Why else remove two other guys and put Cummins in?
Think VC's get a bit extra in their match fees.... Maybe they just thought none of the other merkins deserved the bump in pay so they rewarded Cummins with it!
 
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Personally I think a keeper/captain has too much on their mind as well. I know Gilchrist talked about how hard it was mentally and he wouldn’t have wanted the job full time.
 
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Think VC's get a bit extra in their match fees.... Maybe they just thought none of the other merkins deserved the bump in pay so they rewarded Cummins with it!


I can see removing Head, he’s not really a lock for the team. But Hazlewood is a lock and a good player.


To me Cummins is the main option other than Smith, maybe Labs. I’ve seen some people mention Carey could come straight in as captain, but that’d be too much pressure.
 

TheParraboy

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Marnus a dark horse as captain?

I don't think they will go back to Smith, but id back and support the decision if they did
 

Bazal

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Debut as keeper and captain, Lee Germon style? That'd be a huge ask. Couldn't see it happening

He seems to have the best head on his shoulders of the options mentioned. Well, him and Cummins.

But I don't think either should be made captain tbh.
 

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His captaincy was pretty uninspiring in the A games from what I saw.

Plus a debutant keeper??? Massive no.
 

Bazal

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His captaincy was pretty uninspiring in the A games from what I saw.

Plus a debutant keeper??? Massive no.

Yeah I wasn't watching close enough to comment tbh.

He does seem to have a good head on his shoulders, but if his tactics aren't much good there's not a lot of point removing Paine for him. I'd like to see him take the reigns on a few ODIs if possible though. Never know.

We really have a severe lack of leadership down the grades
 
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His captaincy was pretty uninspiring in the A games from what I saw.

Plus a debutant keeper??? Massive no.


Yeah Alan Border was scathing. I really don’t like keepers being captain, you’ve got to be so switched on for keeping anyway, then add fielding placements and bowling changes on top. Difficult task.
 
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