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Australia vs England: 1st Ashes Test in Brisbane Nov 25-29

yappy

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As Opener:

Watson averages less than 40 this year. Has scored only two centuries as opener and needed help through approximately 4 dropped catches to obtain those two centuries.

Hughes averages over 50. Scored two centuries in the same test against South Africa in South Africa. Was dropped two testes removed from above test because Ponting still thought he was too young and we needed Watson to improve our bowling.

If other players were dropped with the same 'form slump' as Hughes than North, Hussey, Clarke, Watson, Ponting and Katich would all have been dropped by now.

After scoring the two centuries in the same test Hughes scored 152 runs in 5 innings at an average just over 30 before being dropped.

Now lets look at the form slumps of these other batsmen AFTER Hughes's dropping (5 innings or more slumps)

North - A couple of Norths slumps. 128 runs in 8 innings and 46 runs in 6 innings.

In fact since Hughes's dropping North has scored 837 runs at an average of 32 (about the same as Hughes who was only given 5 innings before being dropped - North has been given 27 innings)

Hussey - Since his last century Hussey has scored 280 runs in 11 innings at an average 25.45. In his last 7 innings Hussey has scored 112 runs. That's 40 less than Hughes in two more innings.

Ponting went through a 'form slump' when he scored only 126 runs in 6 innings. Considerably worse than Hughes's 'form slump' when considering Ponting batted against New Zealand and Pakistan in his slump. Ponting has only scored one century in his last 16 tests ... and if you remember that century, he was dropped on ZERO by a guy who likely intentionally dropped the catch. Here's a link if you don't remember:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...er-investigation/story-e6frepmo-1225912067829

Meanwhile Hughes has scored twice as many centuries in half as little tests AND was on his way to scoring one more (before we won the test to stop his inning)

Clarke has scored 265 runs in his last 10 innings ... since his last century.

Watsonscored 274 runs in a ten inning stretch playing against Pakistan and New Zealand (considerbaly worse opposition to who Hughes played against during his 'form slump'). Watson did come good against India but he was given that chance because HE WASN'T DROPPED DURING HIS FORM SLUMP SOMETHING HUGHES WASN'T GIVEN!!

Katich seems to be the best of the Australian batsmen, being very consistent. Although he only scored 134 runs in his last 6 innings (still worse than Hughes's slump)

As shown all Australian batsmen, even our most consistent batsmen in Katich have gone through worse slumps than Hughes AND in most cases considerably worse slumps.

Why were these batsmen given more latitude than Hughes?

qft!
 

hineyrulz

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I have heard this ... but I can't believe it because it would prove our selectors and coach and captain are worse than first imagined. And it is hard to believe they could be possibly be any worse then we know them to be.
Its true mate we dropped a 21 year old with a batting average of 55 because Ricky's pet sh*tchell couldn't land a ball on the cut strip. Australian Cricket has become an episode of Ricky and friends..........
 

Scott

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All very interesting reading - my thought is slightly different but is Hughes actually liked in the dressing room?? From afar he has a bit of Brad Hodge about him. Just my 2 cents.

Why didn't they just include him in a squad of 18?? 17 is f**ken stupid as it is, 1 more won't make a difference.
 

Fast Eddie

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Why not

Katich
Hughes
Ponting
Clarke
Ferguson
Watson

Thats what I would want to see if I was an Aussie fan.
 

Mr Angry

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I like that except I would have Usman over Ferguson, this is because I see Usman as Ricky's replacment. Ricky started @ 6, got used to test cricket, then became one of best number 3's the world has seen.
 

lockyno1

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Hughes' average in that Ashes series was deplorable. You can make the excuses all you want about your NSW loverboy, fact remains he scored bugger all in the Ashes series. You are only as good as your last 4 innings.

For the record Usman Khawaja and Callum Ferguson should be in the XI instead of spuds like Hussey and North, and I would consider Steve Smith as a no6 batsman as well.
 
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All very interesting reading - my thought is slightly different but is Hughes actually liked in the dressing room?? From afar he has a bit of Brad Hodge about him. Just my 2 cents.

Why didn't they just include him in a squad of 18?? 17 is f**ken stupid as it is, 1 more won't make a difference.

Well apparently Ponting and Hughes are quite close ... if you believe The Australian.

Captain Ricky Ponting, who is close to Hughes, hadn't spoken to the batsman before the announcement but said he would counsel him

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...to-a-squad-of-17/story-e6frg7mf-1225954044948

But if Ponting and Hughes really were close, then why is Hughes not in the test team. Maybe Hughes has enemies elsewhere. Maybe it is true that the selectors don't like anyone under the age of 30, unless of course they tattoo the southern cross on their back.
 

Twizzle

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Hughes' average in that Ashes series was deplorable. You can make the excuses all you want about your NSW loverboy, fact remains he scored bugger all in the Ashes series. You are only as good as your last 4 innings.

For the record Usman Khawaja and Callum Ferguson should be in the XI instead of spuds like Hussey and North, and I would consider Steve Smith as a no6 batsman as well.

shutup
 

Matt23

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Hughes' average in that Ashes series was deplorable. You can make the excuses all you want about your NSW loverboy, fact remains he scored bugger all in the Ashes series. You are only as good as your last 4 innings.

For the record Usman Khawaja and Callum Ferguson should be in the XI instead of spuds like Hussey and North, and I would consider Steve Smith as a no6 batsman as well.
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Not my fault Hughes barely averaged 15 in that Ashes series.


Hughes averaged 19 in that series (in three innings. How many innings was that again??THREE!!)

Meanwhile one year later Watson averaged 16 in the series against Pakistan. (In four innings. How many innings was that again?? FOUR!!)

So blast Hughes all you want but it just means you are a f*cking hypocrite when you do so
 
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Hughes' average in that Ashes series was deplorable. You can make the excuses all you want about your NSW loverboy, fact remains he scored bugger all in the Ashes series. You are only as good as your last 4 innings.


So you must have been bashing Watson after the series against Pakistan since his series was f*cking deplorable!
 
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By the way, I think Watson should be in the test team

BUT

You can't use some lame f*cking excuses against Hughes when other players in the side including Watson have had considerably worse stretches in the last couple of years.

There needs to be consistency.

That's all I am saying.
 

aussies1st

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Calls for Doherty to replace Hauritz is starting to gain momentum in the media.

Pietersen's issues against left-arm spin also make Doherty an attractive addition.
"I would give Doherty a go. He turns the ball away from the right hander, has done well in one-day cricket and there's no reason why he can't in Test cricket," said Smith, who endured three Ashes series losses to England.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/the-ashes/smith-backs-aussies/story-e6frf3gl-1225956255862

No idea who this Robin Smith guy is though.

And a whole article about KP weakness and needing to pick a SLA to exploit it.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket...s-with-dismissal/story-e6frf3gl-1225956219043
 

Twizzle

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Robin Smith is just one of a million South African poms who played for England, quiet a few in this current team as well
 

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