Bobby DIGital
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I’m still struggling to understand how that nz side didn’t beat this bog avg kangaroos team!
It was an old-fashioned screw job by the officials.
I’m still struggling to understand how that nz side didn’t beat this bog avg kangaroos team!
Good idea, I enjoyed last time Queensland toured and we gave them a good hidingThe World Cup would have made a great warm up for Queensland's 2023 Origin campaign.
Dispatching second tier 'nations' like England and NZ would have been a fun tour.
The age of nationalism as a concept doesn't change the fact that international sport was not only a product of it, but is intrinsically linked to it, and that a move away from it to ethnic teams is creating problems that will be toxic not only for the sport, but for society more broadly. Need I remind you of the problems our society has had with ethnic clubs in the past? Imagine those, but on a larger scale and with people openly questioning whether or not members of certain ethnicities are even qualified to count as Australians at all.Why? Nationalism is a relatively new concept. Societies aren’t going to fall apart because they’re not culturally homogenous.
No, not at all really.It’s really no different?
Maybe they're not as bog average as you'd like to believe...I’m still struggling to understand how that nz side didn’t beat this bog avg kangaroos team!
Whatever you say lol.It was an old-fashioned screw job by the officials.
Whatever I say huh? Well what I say is this. We were straight up robbed.Whatever you say lol.
Australia only won because Rapana had his foot 1 inch offside....and Hunt kicked a 1 in a million cross field kick.This topic aged well.
Australia crowned RLWC champions yet again.
I watched the 5:30 am full game replay. Some time after I flicked over to 9 and they went out to the Samoan celebration at Whalan. The gathering sang Advance Australia Fair and followed it with Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi.The age of nationalism as a concept doesn't change the fact that international sport was not only a product of it, but is intrinsically linked to it, and that a move away from it to ethnic teams is creating problems that will be toxic not only for the sport, but for society more broadly. Need I remind you of the problems our society has had with ethnic clubs in the past? Imagine those, but on a larger scale and with people openly questioning whether or not members of certain ethnicities are even qualified to count as Australians at all.
Take this article for example-https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11...tween-two-worlds-in-world-cup-final/101676894. Australia's goal should be for all of those people of Samoan heritage to become Australians, not to be creating Samoan enclaves within Australia where any member that attempts to integrate with Australian society is denounced as something akin to a race traitor.
It's hard to express just how damaging attitudes like those expressed towards Fa'asuamaleaui in the above article can be on a society, and if we continue down this path they'll only get worse and will inevitably lead to some form of backlash from the majority which is best avoided. In other words, there's blood in the water and the sharks are circling, so maybe we should stop chumming the water before there's an attack.
BTW, nationalism is a requirement to have a functional liberal democracy, so I wouldn't be surprised if you do start to see some western liberal societies start to disintegrate, or at least start to suffer significant cultural issues and conflict that they didn't previously suffer. In fact I think that it could pretty easily be argued that many nations (particularly in Europe) are already starting to show signs of that happening.
No, not at all really.
In both cases it's people co-opting the identity of people from other countries using an often very tenuous link within their heritage. It's like they want all of the benefits of being a member of one nation or society, without having to be directly associated with said nation or society. There's often an air of exoticism to it as well, a kind of "look at me, I'm unique and interesting, not like you other boring people" sort of thing, which is fake and cringy, and is often expressed exclusively in the form of stereotypes.
More often than not they're co-opting it for some sort of social benefit as well, such as in this case where a bunch of relatively rich men from first world nations are taking once in a lifetime opportunities from relatively poor men from third world nations.
Players who qualify for 2 countries are put in an incredibly difficult position.I watched the 5:30 am full game replay. Some time after I flicked over to 9 and they went out to the Samoan celebration at Whalan. The gathering sang Advance Australia Fair and followed it with Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi.
After grimacing a little at the Oi Oi Oi, it did make me smile a little. I had been a bit concerned about the rush away from Australia to the PI nations, wondering when if ever they would start to feel Australian. Maybe some do, at least for this game where they ‘couldn’t lose’. Later I watched the pregame show (I’d recorded it) and Big Tino was singing the anthem.
I’m happy for them. The players really did something for their communities. Who would have expected RL to get such coverage?
The people abusing Tino is not something I would get behind. He has every right to choose which heritage he wanted to play for. He did, so Good on him.
He wasn't close to onsideWhatever I say huh? Well what I say is this. We were straight up robbed.
1. Our teams flight home was booked the day after the game.
2. We dominated the first half.
3. Klein was obviously reminded at halftime that NZ are supposed to exit at this stage, so at the start of the second half it was penalty, penalty, penalty, six again, six again, penalty, penalty with the Kangaroos being piggy-backed up the field cos their pack couldn't do it alone.
4. Rapana was onside.
5. The penalty Grant got which lead to Murray's try was bullshit.
Having watched Kangaroo sides since 1980 they look pretty avg to me in comparison.Maybe they're not as bog average as you'd like to believe...
I reckon the Kangaroos would figure out the kinks pretty quickly if they played together more regularly.
Whatever you say lol.
Must admit there was a period when NZ were in front were ref piggy backed them out of their half with an offside penalty (seriously giving an offside penalty in any game these days is a joke) then a six again and penalty and then they scored to take the lead and werent behind again. At the time I said it looked very suss. Having said that the NZ time were good enough that it shouldn't have even been close. They choked massively imo.Whatever I say huh? Well what I say is this. We were straight up robbed.
1. Our teams flight home was booked the day after the game.
2. We dominated the first half.
3. Klein was obviously reminded at halftime that NZ are supposed to exit at this stage, so at the start of the second half it was penalty, penalty, penalty, six again, six again, penalty, penalty with the Kangaroos being piggy-backed up the field cos their pack couldn't do it alone.
4. Rapana was onside.
5. The penalty Grant got which lead to Murray's try was bullshit.
Definitely gased the kiwis the 6 agains and penalties. But it's a fine line whether or not they were warranted. Sometimes it's the first one that leads to more ( chasing their tale). They should have been able to reset and compose themselves so early into the second half.Must admit there was a period when NZ were in front were ref piggy backed them out of their half with an offside penalty (seriously giving an offside penalty in any game these days is a joke) then a six again and penalty and then they scored to take the lead and werent behind again. At the time I said it looked very suss. Having said that the NZ time were good enough that it shouldn't have even been close. They choked massively imo.
Going by your logic 99% of international teams in all sports would be seen as a piss-take.
I was born in Australia to Australian Anglo parents. I grew up in France, Germany, Australia, and the UK. I lived most of my late teens and adult life in the UK. I currently live in Australia. I am a British Citizen. Am I not British by your standards?
Appears to me mostly actual dinkum Japanese, with a few qualifying by residence.
I am not actually having a shot at the Japanese Union team, good on them. I am responding to a posters ridiculous statement that the team is mostly full of actual Japanese which it's not.Which is irrelevant to how eligibility works. You're having a shot at the Japanese team yet you're supporting teams that have players who have never been to the country they're playing for before representing them. Under the eligibility rules I don't have a problem with that, nor do I have a problem with Leitch representing Japan, a country he's lived in for 20 years and a culture he's been part of for 20 years.
On Luai I think he's only a grandparent selection for Samoa. His kid wont be eligible for Samoa under current eligibility rules.
Definitely whatever you say lol.Whatever I say huh? Well what I say is this. We were straight up robbed.
1. Our teams flight home was booked the day after the game.
2. We dominated the first half.
3. Klein was obviously reminded at halftime that NZ are supposed to exit at this stage, so at the start of the second half it was penalty, penalty, penalty, six again, six again, penalty, penalty with the Kangaroos being piggy-backed up the field cos their pack couldn't do it alone.
4. Rapana was onside.
5. The penalty Grant got which lead to Murray's try was bullshit.
Long LONG term playing each side once in the NRL would be perfect. Probably need another 3 sides‘Make our sport global’: Mal calls for a four-year international schedule
‘Make our sport global’: Mal calls for a four-year international schedulewww.foxsports.com.au
Let's hope somebody (IRL) gets this going and we make a fist of it.
Reduce the NRL and SL seasons (27 rounds is too long). Keep Origin. International window at the end of the season. Maybe like Rugby with the Autumn tour, we run a Spring tour? Australia, Samoa, Tonga, NZ, Fiji play each other for rankings points on a bi-annual cycle. One year is world cup and the other year is a Kangaroos tour
I was in the midst of writing a thorough reply to your post (I even multi quoted- you’re welcome), but I realised that we disagree on a fundamental premise - that a nation needs to aspire to be culturally homogenous in order to prosper.The age of nationalism as a concept doesn't change the fact that international sport was not only a product of it, but is intrinsically linked to it, and that a move away from it to ethnic teams is creating problems that will be toxic not only for the sport, but for society more broadly. Need I remind you of the problems our society has had with ethnic clubs in the past? Imagine those, but on a larger scale and with people openly questioning whether or not members of certain ethnicities are even qualified to count as Australians at all.
Take this article for example-https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11...tween-two-worlds-in-world-cup-final/101676894. Australia's goal should be for all of those people of Samoan heritage to become Australians, not to be creating Samoan enclaves within Australia where any member that attempts to integrate with Australian society is denounced as something akin to a race traitor.
It's hard to express just how damaging attitudes like those expressed towards Fa'asuamaleaui in the above article can be on a society, and if we continue down this path they'll only get worse and will inevitably lead to some form of backlash from the majority which is best avoided. In other words, there's blood in the water and the sharks are circling, so maybe we should stop chumming the water before there's an attack.
BTW, nationalism is a requirement to have a functional liberal democracy, so I wouldn't be surprised if you do start to see some western liberal societies start to disintegrate, or at least start to suffer significant cultural issues and conflict that they didn't previously suffer. In fact I think that it could pretty easily be argued that many nations (particularly in Europe) are already starting to show signs of that happening.
No, not at all really.
In both cases it's people co-opting the identity of people from other countries using an often very tenuous link within their heritage. It's like they want all of the benefits of being a member of one nation or society, without having to be directly associated with said nation or society. There's often an air of exoticism to it as well, a kind of "look at me, I'm unique and interesting, not like you other boring people" sort of thing, which is fake and cringy, and is often expressed exclusively in the form of stereotypes.
More often than not they're co-opting it for some sort of social benefit as well, such as in this case where a bunch of relatively rich men from first world nations are taking once in a lifetime opportunities from relatively poor men from third world nations.