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Ban penalty kicks to touch

Loudstrat

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isn't the sin bin for persistent offending? Not to mention giving back to back sixes every set will soon see you losing games.
Hang on PR, are you argung that taking away the kick for touch will make it worse for the defending team? No wonder you find South Wales Mongoloid inspirational.

Take the kick for touch away and the astute defensive coach will find a zillion ways to niggle in the tackle. The really good defensive teams would have a picnic. Imagine the Dogs of the 80's under that rule!

Simple - a team is penalised. The tackle count restarts either way - except under the current system the penalised side loses field position. Therefore, take that away and the penalised side gains. Why make it easier on sides who do something wrong?

What we need is banning idiots from thinking.
 
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hellteam

First Grade
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I kind of agree. Games are decided by penalties these days, they have far too much influence.

Don't know how to fix it though
 

wibble

Bench
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Well the two ref system combined with some terrible interpretations and rules that favor sloppy attack mean that the game is often end to end penalties, and defense just can't keep teams pinned very often (bar SOO III...).

I think the league likes this in an effort to keep the scoring opportunities up, but I loved the 80's and 90's grinds in the middle of the field- the 90's was a great mix of open play and grinding.

Some teams managed to keep good field position before the two refs, but now (apart from Origin when you could have 10 referees and they'd still be reluctant to blow a penalty unless for a strip ball :roll: ) it just doesn't happen (well it does, but a team stays up their attacking end due to penalties, like in the WCC, rather than keeping the opponents' up that end when they are defending). I don't like it, but I guess many fans do. Most games it seems now the scoring comes after a penalty. I think it takes out many fine aspects of the game, but it does mean one side or the other is often on the attack.

In theory, I guess making "minor" infringements a tap or a set metres penalty would help "fix" this, if you wanted it fixed. Others have pointed out that this would allow defenses to really go for strip balls and other momentum shifting plays in the first tackle. It is these "ruck" penalties that are the most frustrating parts of the game, but not so much because they are attempts to slow the game (a slower game is fine IMHO), but because they are often 50/50 and can be big momentum shifters (the most annoying thing to see as a fan is a player from the opposition losing control of the ball and gaining 40+ metres and six more tackles, and often then a try, from their poor play). Dangerous play is much rarer nowadays, and is penalised well in the NRL (as it should be) and has been a very successful area of refereeing in the last decade (other than the cannonball, which now has to go).

The best solution though would be to stop making the league so damn hard to referee, reducing the 50/50 calls, momentum shifting calls, and lamenting of the officials' performances at the end of an otherwise good match.

Rather than penalties all over the place in the ruck, I'd just like to see "play on" for anything but a blatant infringement. And really don't penalize "strips" unless the ball carrier is absolutely pinned and several players are reefing at the ball (none of this "hand on the ball" means a penalty crap). If the attacking team is slowed a bit because they can't get up and play it securely, then tough luck for them. Give forwards a job again, rather than barging at the try line after the first play after a penalty as a "settler".

Tackles should have a uniform count of time after the held call before a penalty is blown (referees could carry a timer), an extra official can monitor just the offsides, tracking technology can be used for forward passes and knock ons. Referees would have less to do, and could focus on getting it right. Players would have to concentrate on keeping possession and playing quickly but safely, and following the rules rather than trying to fool the over burdened referees.

Then we just need to eliminate the farce that is scrums and the game is near perfect!
 

some11

Referee
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Be careful what you wish for..

We were all keen on this, then we saw how dire the standard of footy was in 2020/1. Games over at the 20-30 minute mark. No contests.

The return of the kick for touch penalty inside your own half has given teams a chance to wrestle back momentum. Maybe we've struck the right balance between speed and contest.
 

Penrose Warrior

First Grade
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Is this broken? I hadn't noticed. Team gives away penalty, other team gets territory. Seems fair to me. Let's not add in more things to mess around with the game.
 

Floodwaters

Juniors
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They technically tried what OP suggested with the 6 again rule and we seen the most one sided comp ever with blow out after blow out lol, best thing they done this year was scale it back.
 

Iamback

Referee
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We won't know how well the new rules are working until we get some decent weather.

Games have been tight but it is also due to other things than the rules
 

Timbo

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Iamback

Referee
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Bulldogs start the year with the sides that finished

15th
14th
Manly on a soaked Brookvale

Cowboys finished 15th

Played 16th Bulldogs
10th placed Raiders
14th placed Broncos

On the Flip side

Penrith has played
A top 8 team, A Top 4 team

Roosters
Played 2 Top 4 teams. and a top 8 team

Teams have improved. Though lets not pretend that blowouts won't happen once the rubbish teams play the good teams and it stops raining
 

Knight76

Juniors
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Not going to lie, read the title and thought yep, T-Boon thread.

How about extending the penalty for holding down in tackles to the opposition 40m line. Any further than that and teams won't want to hold down anyway for fear of repeat sets close to the line, and sin bins for repeated infringements.

Anything beyond, penalty.
 

big hit!

Bench
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Don't give away penalties. That might sort out the issue.

Stopping the game for merely a tap restart will benefit the offending team rather than the team in possession. Bellamy would have a field day!
 

BadnMean

Juniors
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Didn't we just live through the results of almost exactly this change? - when we had 6 agains for everything, blowouts, cheat every time on the first 2 rucks pinning opposition down in their territory because no real penalty...
 

Pezz70

Juniors
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Stop trying to change the rules would be my recommendation. The rules have become so technical that the referees are lost. There is nothing wrong with a little discretion. Grant Atkins looked like he was making the rules up as he went along the other night. It was ridiculous. I believe the ridiculousness started when a few ‘legal’ minds dominated refereeing and it hasn’t stopped since. The obstruction rule is unbelievable . Every week we see calls where the defender had no chance of getting the attacker, obstruction or not, called back, it ruins the game. I’m just guessing here but I would say 60% of what they deem obstruction now would’ve been let go 15 years ago and the game was better for it. There should only be two considerations was the defender contacted, was there a chance of him affecting a play on an attacker. There are so many more rule changes that are ordinary the six to go rule will cost somebody a grand final. If you’re attacking In the oppositions 30 every infringement by the defending should be okay on until the play stops or, a choice for the attacking team of shot or 6 more.
 

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