Bands losing their originalality?

[hillbillyjazzer1954]

Lancaster left because of that.

They hit their nadir at the covers album, that was just plain rank.

Some of their later stuff, although not back to basics, was pretty good. i.e. Burning Bridges.

good to see another Quo fan here......i have heard a fair bit of their later stuff......but it just does not do it for me, i am not saying it is overly bad. it is just not my cup of Rock n Roll.......but then again being an older Rocker i have been spoiled by Ma Kellys Greasy Spoon through to the Double Live Album

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

I've been a fan I first heard Dog of Two Head in my teens. Seen them three times, '77 at the Hordern was the best concert I''ve ever been to.

I still have a few albums;
Quo Live!
Dog of Two Head
12 gold Bars
On The Level (my personal favourite)
Blue For You
Piledriver
If You Cant Stand the Heat

Had a few more but lost them in various moves.

 

[hillbillyjazzer1954]

I've been a fan I first heard Dog of Two Head in my teens. Seen them three times, '77 at the Hordern was the best concert I''ve ever been to.

I still have a few albums;
Quo Live!
Dog of Two Head
12 gold Bars
On The Level (my personal favourite)
Blue For You
Piledriver
If You Cant Stand the Heat

Had a few more but lost them in various moves.

mate i have all the seventies stuff on the remastered discs upto the live album in 76
if you would like copys send me a pm and i will see what i can do i also have a bit of bootleg stuff and a boot dvd live in 75

 

[Eelementary]

Everyone's different. But I hated "Mesmerize". Songs like "Lost In Hollywood", "Old School Hollywood" and the one with lyrics like "My c**k is much bigger than yours"...I don't know. I thought it was dull.

I have to amend my list, though - as much as I disliked "Steal This Album", "Mezmerize" and "Hypnotize", it's definitely original and SOAD.

 

[hineyrulz]

Tool's gone to sh*t.

By the way I think Mezmerize and Hypnotize are excellent.. No singles, just good albums.

I thought Tool's last album was a return to form, And i think SOAD have been pretty ordinary since Toxicity.

 

[salivor]

I'd hardly say Tool have gone to sh*t, their first average album in their career doesn't necessarily signal a downward slide. Even then 10,000 days has some great tracks like Jambi, Vicarious and The Pot which are classic Tool.

IMO with Tool every album from Opiate to Undertow to Aenima to Lateralus surpassed the previous, it's a hard trend to keep going.

 

[FunkyMonk]

Ok, I don't believe that the peppers have lost their edge at all. I think that their music has changed due to the fact that they have been playing for over 20 years. Everysingle album they've released after Mothers Milk has it's own unique original sound. The earlier albums are very raw hardcore punk/funk/rock type of music and although i find it very intersting, I can undersrtand why some people may not be too keen on it. Mother's Milk, Blood Sugar, Californication, By the way and Stadium Arcadium are all masterpieces. If you think that they are unoriginal and all the songs sound the same then please tell me a band that the Chili Peppers have ripped off..... and tell me the songs that sound "the same", as many people have claimed them too. The only 2 songs i can think of at the moment which may sound similar is Storm in a teacup and Get on Top. But that's it. So please, before you go making ridiculous claims, collaborate on what band the Peppers are suppousedly ripping off and which songs sound so "identical".

 

[Tom Shines]

Ok, I don't believe that the peppers have lost their edge at all. I think that their music has changed due to the fact that they have been playing for over 20 years...

This is where I tuned out... :sleeper:

 

[FunkyMonk]

This is where I tuned out... :sleeper:

* All the swearing and insults is really getting old FunkyMonk, either keep a civil tone or please keep your opinions to yourself.

No ignore whatever has been written by the moderator. My statement still stands strong. Coleman is a gimp who knows absolutley nothing about music.

 

[Azkatro]

I thought Tool's last album was a return to form, And i think SOAD have been pretty ordinary since Toxicity.

Don't you love the subjectivity of music?

 

[HevyDevy]

I'd hardly say Tool have gone to sh*t, their first average album in their career doesn't necessarily signal a downward slide. Even then 10,000 days has some great tracks like Jambi, Vicarious and The Pot which are classic Tool.

IMO with Tool every album from Opiate to Undertow to Aenima to Lateralus surpassed the previous, it's a hard trend to keep going.

Yeah I agree.

I do think the latest album is a little weaker than the others but it has some classics - namely The Pot.

I still consider Aenema to be their opus though. Brilliant album.

 

[Alex28]

And here lies the problem.

Some bands make brilliant albums. Their label wants them to back it up and do it while the hype of the band is still fresh. They have pressure to write great music and make an album that will sell more than the last.

It just isn't that easy. The music industry is littered with careers that have not been able to back up previous albums - Beastie Boys couldn't back up 'Ill Communication', Deftones couldn't back up 'White Pony', Flaming Lips couldn't back up 'Yoshimi", Gomez couldn't back up their first 2 albums, Ben Harper couldn't back up 'Fight For Your Mind', Metallica could never back up the black album...

Alot of it comes down to living up to their previous success. It isn't easy to do - particularly when you have to live up to your first album. In alot of cases, people have been writing music for years and have a heap of music to pick from. To then have to write music over as little as 6-12 months and come up with something better...it just isn't that easy.

 

[Eelementary]

And here lies the problem.

Some bands make brilliant albums. Their label wants them to back it up and do it while the hype of the band is still fresh. They have pressure to write great music and make an album that will sell more than the last.

It just isn't that easy. The music industry is littered with careers that have not been able to back up previous albums - Beastie Boys couldn't back up 'Ill Communication', Deftones couldn't back up 'White Pony', Flaming Lips couldn't back up 'Yoshimi", Gomez couldn't back up their first 2 albums, Ben Harper couldn't back up 'Fight For Your Mind', Metallica could never back up the black album...

Alot of it comes down to living up to their previous success. It isn't easy to do - particularly when you have to live up to your first album. In alot of cases, people have been writing music for years and have a heap of music to pick from. To then have to write music over as little as 6-12 months and come up with something better...it just isn't that easy.

Don't know about that..."Saturda Night Wrist" is really, really good, I think.

 

[Eelementary]

And on the flipside, you have guys like Prince who have written countless songs for himself and others.

 

[miniHINDY]

And here lies the problem.

Some bands make brilliant albums. Their label wants them to back it up and do it while the hype of the band is still fresh. They have pressure to write great music and make an album that will sell more than the last.

It just isn't that easy. The music industry is littered with careers that have not been able to back up previous albums - Beastie Boys couldn't back up 'Ill Communication', Deftones couldn't back up 'White Pony', Flaming Lips couldn't back up 'Yoshimi", Gomez couldn't back up their first 2 albums, Ben Harper couldn't back up 'Fight For Your Mind', Metallica could never back up the black album...

Alot of it comes down to living up to their previous success. It isn't easy to do - particularly when you have to live up to your first album. In alot of cases, people have been writing music for years and have a heap of music to pick from. To then have to write music over as little as 6-12 months and come up with something better...it just isn't that easy.

At war with the Mystics is prety damn good, also the Soft Bulletin is better than Yoshimi imo

 

[Tom Shines]

And here lies the problem.

Some bands make brilliant albums. Their label wants them to back it up and do it while the hype of the band is still fresh. They have pressure to write great music and make an album that will sell more than the last.

It just isn't that easy. The music industry is littered with careers that have not been able to back up previous albums - Beastie Boys couldn't back up 'Ill Communication', Deftones couldn't back up 'White Pony', Flaming Lips couldn't back up 'Yoshimi", Gomez couldn't back up their first 2 albums, Ben Harper couldn't back up 'Fight For Your Mind', Metallica could never back up the black album...

Alot of it comes down to living up to their previous success. It isn't easy to do - particularly when you have to live up to your first album. In alot of cases, people have been writing music for years and have a heap of music to pick from. To then have to write music over as little as 6-12 months and come up with something better...it just isn't that easy.

I think To The Five Boroughs is a much better album than Ill Communication..

 

[Danger]

I think To The Five Boroughs is a much better album than Ill Communication..

Thats a big call, to the 5 boroughs i pretty good, but ill communcation is a classic album, each to their own though i guess.

 

[Alex28]

In response:

* Saturday Night Wrist is not as good as White Pony or Around The Fur;
* Mystics is nowhere near as good as Yoshimi. Soft Bulletin is a great album but it was hardly a sales success;
* Ill Communication is BY FAR their best album and 5 Boroughs is not a patch on it. Even if that was the case, it would have taken them 10 years to make something better - which they haven't.

One thing I did miss out on saying is that there are artists that make what they want and be damned the label or sales numbers. Prince is a great example, Radiohead and Pearl Jam are others - all three of those artists are fortunate enough to have been able to leave their labels and fund their own album recordings.

Wilco have a DVD out called "I Am Trying To Break Your Heart" which is all about exactly how much a record label can f**k around with an artists career. It should be mandatory viewing for artists about to sign a label contract.

 

[miniHINDY]

I love Wico, are you going to the Enmore show, Alex?

 

[hineyrulz]

Don't you love the subjectivity of music?

Different strokes for different folks i guess