what :?
fielders always come from outside the field of play when they do these catches
and seeing as it did not decide the match they would not be in damage control making shit up
that doesn't look similar
Smith throws it in the air twice. Lalor does it once
:lol:El Lemon wrong again. Anyone who plays the game knows the player must be back in the field of play....
Umpires correct on White decision
17/1/2015 23:59 PM
Melbourne Stars captain Cameron White?s controversial dismissal in last night?s KFC T20 Big Bash League match against Sydney Thunder was the correct decision, according to Law 32, 3e.
White was dismissed for 23 by the third umpire after it was adjudged Thunder quick Josh Lalor had taken a catch on the boundary line.
White had launched a Nathan Hauritz delivery towards the mid-wicket fence before Lalor, fielding right back on the rope, took a catch in the field of play before he threw the ball in the air as his momentum took him over the boundary line.
Outside the field of play, Lalor jumped and caught the ball then juggled it in the air before he landed back over the rope.
With his feet back in the field of play, Lalor completed the catch and, after a long delay, White was given out by the third official.
Law 32, 3e states: (it's a fair catch if) a fielder catches the ball after it has crossed the boundary in the air, provided that after being struck by the bat, the first contact with the ball is by a fielder, not touching or grounded beyond the boundary, who has some part of his person grounded within the boundary or whose final contact with the ground before touching the ball was entirely within the boundary.
As Lalor first made contact with the ball in the field of play, it was correctly ruled a fair catch.
Speaking during Channel 10's coverage, White explained his understanding of the rules meant he should not have been given out.
"My understanding of the rule is that was six runs," White said.
"The last point of contact (Lalor) made when he had the ball was outside the field of play.
"So when he throws it up, my understanding is he has to actually come back into the field of play, touch the field and then touch the ball."
Umpires have since confirmed with bigbash.com.au that the correct decision was made as the first point of contact Lalor made with the ball was inside the field of play.
Channel 10 commentators Andrew Flintoff and Mark Waugh initially agreed with the decision, but seemed to sway towards White's way of thinking after speaking with him on air.
White also received support on social media from past and present players who agreed with his interpretation of the rules.
Controversy over White's dismissal
Martin Smith
Rules support third umpire's decision despite White's claims
Melbourne Stars captain Cameron White has been left disappointed after he was controversially given out during tonight's KFC T20 Big Bash League match against Sydney Thunder.
White was dismissed for 23 by the third umpire after it was adjudged Thunder quick Josh Lalor had taken a catch on the boundary line.
White had launched a Nathan Hauritz delivery towards the mid-wicket fence before Lalor, fielding right back on the rope, took a catch in the field of play before he threw the ball in the air as his momentum took him over the boundary line.
Outside the field of play, Lalor jumped and caught the ball before he again tossed it in the air as he landed back over the rope.
With his feet back in the field of play, Lalor completed the catch and, after a long delay, White was given out by the third official.
Speaking during Channel 10's coverage, White explained his understanding of the rules meant he should not have been given out.
"My understanding of the rule is that was six runs," White said.
"The last point of contact (Lalor) made when he had the ball was outside the field of play.
"So when he throws it up, my understanding is he has to actually come back into the field of play, touch the field and then touch the ball."
But a Cricket NSW spokesman confirmed to cricket.com.au that the correct decision was made as the first point of contact Lalor made with the ball was inside the field of play.
Law 32, 3e states: (it's a fair catch if) a fielder catches the ball after it has crossed the boundary in the air, provided that after being struck by the bat, the first contact with the ball is by a fielder, not touching or grounded beyond the boundary, who has some part of his person grounded within the boundary or whose final contact with the ground before touching the ball was entirely within the boundary.
As Lalor first made contact with the ball in the field of play, it was correctly ruled a fair catch.
Channel 10 commentators Andrew Flintoff and Mark Waugh initially agreed with the decision, but seemed to sway towards White's way of thinking after speaking with him on air.
White also received support on social media from past and present players who agreed with his interpretation of the rules.
what :?
fielders always come from outside the field of play when they do these catches
and seeing as it did not decide the match they would not be in damage control making shit up
They do. But they get back in the field before the touch the ball. Is this out?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2V5iuY921w
Law 32, 3e states: (it's a fair catch if) a fielder catches the ball after it has crossed the boundary in the air, provided that after being struck by the bat, the first contact with the ball is by a fielder, not touching or grounded beyond the boundary, who has some part of his person grounded within the boundary or whose final contact with the ground before touching the ball was entirely within the boundary.
the feet always go outside the boundary
that's why players throw it
if they weren't going to go over the boundary they wouldn't bother throwing it
yeh but they need to throw it to another player, the only way it can work if they throw it to them self is if they land back inside the rope
for it to be legit they would have to jump the rope and land back in play, in other word do a U turn while still in the air which is impossible, thats why they generally throw it to another player
thats how most cricketers understand the rule
Lalor catch has many caught short by Laws
Dave Middleton
Big Bash boundary line catch shows Australian players unaware of October 2013 update to Laws of Cricket
Cameron White's dismissal in Saturday night's KFC T20 Big Bash League sparked a thousand pub and lounge room debates around Australia and had cricket nuffies diving for the rule books.
Sydney Thunder's Josh Lalor took the catch, jumping over the boundary rope in the act, but crucially did not touch the ground beyond the boundary and the ball at the same time.
Stars supporters reacted with cries and tweets of 'Six!' while Network Ten's Big Bash League commentary crew lead by Mark Waugh and Andrew Flintoff, confidently called it out and gave Lalor the plaudits he was due for a clever catch and impressive boundary-line awareness.
Stars captain White protested and the on-field umpires consulted with the third umpire and there was a delay while the decision was confirmed.
The Laws of Cricket were updated in October 2013 to make catches like that from Lalor legal. It may be of some concern to team administrators, and indeed those in the national set-up with the ICC Cricket World Cup fast approaching, that so many seemed unaware of the rule change. Certainly Big Bash clubs will be making sure their players are aware.
Lalor wasn't the first man to take a catch in this manner. Black Caps gun fielder Trent Boult dismissed West Indies batsman Kieron Pollard in a similar – if more athletically spectacular manner – in a T20 in Dominica in July last year.
When the Thunder's Lalor backpedalled under White's skied shot at Spotless Stadium on Saturday night, he took the catch and then threw the ball into the air as his momentum took him back over the rope. He then jumped – and this is the crux of the confusion – from beyond the boundary line to re-take the ball, landing with his feet back in the field of play.
Clause '19.4 Ball beyond the boundary' of the Laws of Cricket was updated in October 2013 for the explosion in boundary-line athleticism brought about by Twenty20 cricket. Under this clause, the catch is legal.
As long as the ball doesn't touch the ground beyond the boundary rope, or is touched by a player that is touching ground beyond the boundary rope, it is deemed to still be in play.
As with White's dismissal, Boult's catch of Pollard's also sparked confusion amongst those watching. And as with Lalor's effort, Boult's catch stood.
Boult grabbed onto the hook-shot from Pollard within one-handed in his right hand as he ran backwards. With his momentum taking him over the rope, he flung the ball back up into the air before coming to a stop beyond the boundary line.
From there, with his feet beyond the rope, he leapt into the air, completed the catch and landed back in the field of play.
With the ICC Cricket World Cup now just 26 days away, athletic boundary-line fielding could take on a new dimension in the 50-over game's showpiece event.
And teams would do well to make sure their players are well briefed on what is legal.
Although both Boult and Lalor ended up on losing sides in their respective matches, a catch like this could be the difference between winning and losing in the World Cup due to start next month.
One of Australia's elite outfielders, Glenn Maxwell, tweeted he believed the catch should not have stood.
Whether the current interpretation of Law 19.4 is the correct one or not, is open to further debate.
As Maxwell pointed out on his twitter account, taking the wording to the extreme could result in some comical situations.
Under the current Laws, Maxwell's scenario, while bizarre and would require a fielder to brazenly take the mick, it would indeed be out.
The Stars allrounder, who was watching on TV while on duty with the national team for the Carlton Mid ODI Tri-Series, later tweeted he was "happy to be proven wrong" but did not agree with the rule change.
White was aggrieved by the decision as well. "My understanding of the rules is that was six runs," he said when asked by the Network Ten commentators soon after his dismissal.