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Robster

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from-blacks.co.nzCapital win gives BLACKCAPS series lead

Another knock of 90 from Nathan Astle and a fine spell of bowling from the BLACKACPS attack earned a comprehensive 81-run victory over the West Indies in the first One-Day International of The National Bank Series in Wellington.
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Astle’s score completed a strong start from the top order, following Jamie How’s top international score of 66 and a quick-fire 55 from captain Stephen Fleming.

After setting 288 for six, a fine start was back by the spin combination of Jeetan Patel and Daniel Vettori broke the tourists’ resistance before Michael Mason earned two wickets on his return.

The BLACKCAPS side saw changes, How, Michael Mason and Daniel Vettori coming in for the erstwhile Chris Cairns and Lou Vincent. The tourists introduced Ramnaresh Sarwan but lost the influential Dwayne Bravo.

Fleming won the toss and batted and a century opening stand of 136 by How and Astle set the tone and the final total proved more than enough.

How took the lead and made 66, before lashing out at the penultimate ball of a perfectly-pitched maiden over from Chris Gayle. The captain took over from How, and Fidel Edwards welcomed him with a short-pitched delivery which struck him on the head, but he remained his usual unflustered self.
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Fleming shrugged off the blow and motored on gaining the upper hand in his duals with the Windies’ attack with a brisk-paced innings reminiscent of his last outing at the ground against Sri Lanka.

Fleming and Astle hit 88 together in 14 overs, before the former, on 55 was caught by counterpart Shivnarine Chanderpaul off Smith.

Scott Styris replaced Fleming, but the new pair put only 10 in two overs before Astle succumbed for 90, caught by Bradshaw off Smith in a similar fashion to Fleming.

Expert finisher Brendon McCullum was escalated up the order, but he could not make a start, falling for two when clipping a ball from Lewis to fellow ‘keeper Denesh Ramdin. His Canterbury colleague Peter Fulton came to the crease, but made only seven as Smith took a simple catch at the square leg boundary to earn Gayle a second wicket.

James Franklin, a batting hero in Auckland, also earned a couple before a mis-timed big hit off Ian Bradshaw was easily caught by Lewis. The penultimate over saw Hamish Marshall and Styris look to accelerate the pace off Gayle, and they struck 11, but seeking 12, Marshall was run out by Smith for seven.

Styris had accumulated a decent 36 but after edging Edwards twice, he was caught lbw by the Bajan pace bowler.

Shane Bond arrived in the middle, and chasing more runs. Vettori was run out without facing a ball to complete a strong recovery by the visitors.

And the match was sealed when Franklin took his second catch to give Patel the wicket of Edwards to complete a comprehensive win.

In reply, the visitors could achieve only 207 before submitting to a confident-looking BLACKCAPS attack.

Gayle again failed to start, scoring six before Bond struck in the fourth over, forcing the Jamaican to his World Xi team-mate Vettori at mid-on.
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One over later, Franklin, who has so often produced fine starts this season, bowled Runako Morton for a golden duck.

Opener Daren Ganga then took the reins and earned 50 as part of a partnership of 88 from 17 overs with Sarwan before falling to Styris, caught by Astle.

After the power play had elapsed, Fleming brought on his spin attack and a measured spell of bowling from Vettori and Patel slowed the progress.

In the 30th over, Patel produced a memorable dismissal of Chanderpaul for 18 with the score at 137 for four.
Patel exploited the visiting captain’s unusual, straight-on stance to nutmeg him with a ball turning away from the left-hander to remove the off bail.

Not to be left out of the wickets, Vettori then claimed Wavell Hinds for three, a big hit over point dropping short to Franklin on the boundary.

Sarwan also made his half-century, and made 56 from 79 balls before edging Vettori to McCullum, who could not grasp the shot but saw it float towards to sub fielder Vincent at point, who caught the ricochet.

Michael Mason claimed a wicket on his return, the seventh of the innings, Ramdin going for the wide ball but Styris caught him at sweeper.

Dashing for vital runs as they attempted to claim an unlikely win, Lewis was run out by fellow spinner Patel’s quick thinking at square leg.

And Patel once more intervened to earn Mason’s second wicket, earning revenge for Smith’s back to back sixes with a catch at extra cover to remove the dangerous all-rounder for 38, off 25 balls.

All that remained was for Franklin to take catch Edwards on the boundary to earn another wicket for Patel.

Both spinners grabbed a brace, as did the returning Mason, as the BLACKCAPS and their fans celebrated taking a 1-0 series lead before the teams head south to Queenstown.
 

go_the_doggies

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I watched this game :)

Astle, Jaime How, and Flem all did well with the bat:)

I hate how they changed the order, brendon mccullum is no good near the top for New Zealand, only for canterbury, and i love it when him and dan go in to bat together <3

And i hate the fact that hamish is so low down the order

whats going on, are they preparing for the world cup or not, as our batting order will most likely collapse, like it did yesterday.
 

Lego_Man

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My full strength team. The loss of Cairns puts a lot more pressure on Oram to perform, particularly with the ball.

1. How
2. Astle
3. Fleming
4. Taylor
5. Styris
6. Fulton
7. Oram
8. McCullum
9. Vettori
10. Bond
11. Franklin/Martin
 

Robster

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LegoMan your way off
my strongest team is
Papps
Vincent
Fleming
Styris
Ryder
McCullum
Oram
Vettori
Mills
Franklin
Bond

12th man-Peter Fulton
 

sanjane

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i like the look of Patel... did well against SL and by all reports against the Windies yesterdays
 

salivor

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Robster said:
LegoMan your way off
my strongest team is
Papps
Vincent
Fleming
Styris
Ryder
McCullum
Oram
Vettori
Mills
Franklin
Bond

12th man-Peter Fulton

LOL, lego man wasn't too far off when you consider you have a fat sh*t in Ryder in your team that struggles to average 20 in one day domestic competition. He's got potential but is still a long way off representing his country when the likes of How and Fulton have stood up of late and Taylor is banging heavily on the door.

My full strength black caps squad presently:
1. Nathan Astle
2. Jamie How/Lou Vincent
3. Stephen Fleming
4. Peter Fulton
5. Scott Styris
6. Jacob Oram
7. Brendan McCullum
8. Daniel Vettori
9. James Franklin/Jeetan Patel
10. Kyle Mills
11. Shane Bond

12th man: Ross Taylor/Hamish Marshall

I had questions about Chris Cairn's form before he retired but he really does leave a big hole in our batting lineup in particular as it means we now have to put the likes of McCullum and Vettori a place higher than I'm comfortable with as the likes of Scott Styris and Nathan Astle can't be relied upon as a 5th bowling option.
 

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salivor said:
LOL, lego man wasn't too far off when you consider you have a fat sh*t in Ryder in your team that struggles to average 20 in one day domestic competition. He's got potential but is still a long way off representing his country when the likes of How and Fulton have stood up of late and Taylor is banging heavily on the door.

My full strength black caps squad presently:
1. Nathan Astle
2. Jamie How/Lou Vincent
3. Stephen Fleming
4. Peter Fulton
5. Scott Styris
6. Jacob Oram
7. Brendan McCullum
8. Daniel Vettori
9. James Franklin/Jeetan Patel
10. Kyle Mills
11. Shane Bond

12th man: Ross Taylor/Hamish Marshall

I had questions about Chris Cairn's form before he retired but he really does leave a big hole in our batting lineup in particular as it means we now have to put the likes of McCullum and Vettori a place higher than I'm comfortable with as the likes of Scott Styris and Nathan Astle can't be relied upon as a 5th bowling option.

looks like a pretty good squad to me... can't believe the teams others are suggesting... I think How has more to prove though
 

salivor

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JJ said:
I think How has more to prove though

Definetly but I think he's got great potential though to take on Vincent for the opening spot. He now shares with Astle, NZ's highest opening ODI partnership. Vincent on the other hand only really offers us a quick fire 20 or 30 but One Day cricket of late has gone from quick starts more to consolidating wickets in the early stages for a big dash at the end.

The only real critism of him has been about his strike rate but he's shown he's got the ability to pick that up to the 75-80 mark once he gets a start, he just needs to learn how to tick over a few singles early on in his innings.
 

Lego_Man

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Ryder is way too fat, and should not be considered to represent NZ until he loses 10 kgs at least.
 

Manu Vatuvei

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Personally I don't think How should be in the team at the moment. The way he plays he'll struggle to maintain a strike rate over 65. Taylor is a better one-day player and it personally doesn't bother me that we'd be losing a specialist opener as Vincent, Fleming and Astle now all have experience opening.
 

go_the_doggies

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This is my team

1.How
2.Fulton
3.Flem( he does ALOT better at number 3 imo)
4.Vincent
5.Styris/H.Marshall
6.Oram
7.McCullum
8.Vettori
9.Franklin/Patel
10.Bond
11.Mason

12th man :Franklin/Patel
 

JJ

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go_the_doggies said:
3.Flem( he does ALOT better at number 3 imo)

your opinion is wrong

he averages 32.69 with 3 100s opening, and 34.61 with 0 100s at #3.

he's scored his other 3 centuries at #4

As for those saying Ryder is too fat... the major problem is that he's got no form to warrant a selection, rather than his weight.

How shouldn't be in the team IMO, Taylor is clearly a better one day player, and the first 3 (in some order) should be Astle, Fleming and Vincent
 

choc_soldier

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Definitely have a few good batsmen coming through at the moment, and could mature enough in time for the World Cup.

How do you Kiwis feel about your bowling stocks coming into the World Cup, though?
 

Robster

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lol sorry guys I got mixed up with Ryder and Taylor, was suppose to have Taylor in the line up, would never pick Ryder lmao.
 

salivor

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Thierry Henry said:
Personally I don't think How should be in the team at the moment. The way he plays he'll struggle to maintain a strike rate over 65. Taylor is a better one-day player and it personally doesn't bother me that we'd be losing a specialist opener as Vincent, Fleming and Astle now all have experience opening.

You won't get any arguements from me as far as Taylor goes, he needs to be blooded at some point in this series as theres no reason why he can't be a big part of our squad at the World Cup. I think he's more in competition for Fulton's spot though that How's.

Sure Fleming can open and he's played a handful of great innings in the position but he's in his element at number 3 where we can protect him from having to face those early overs against the new ball where he has been undone too often in the last year or so.

Sure Vincent can open as well but I don't know if I value a quick 20-30 at a strike rate of 100 better than a guy like How who has more potential to make bigger scores more consistantly and anchor the innings at the 70-75 strike rate mark once he gets a start.

If you have a look at my squad I posted, while you could argue for a player here or there, it's pretty accurate of what our full strength squad is once we stop chopping and changing players like we have been of late. The only real positions up for grabs as far as batting goes are the opening spot between Vincent, How and Papps and Number 4 between the likes of Fulton, Taylor and Marshall. The rest such as Astle, Fleming and Styris should all be cemented into regular positions in the order.
 

go_the_doggies

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JJ said:
your opinion is wrong

he averages 32.69 with 3 100s opening, and 34.61 with 0 100s at #3.

he's scored his other 3 centuries at #4

As for those saying Ryder is too fat... the major problem is that he's got no form to warrant a selection, rather than his weight.

How shouldn't be in the team IMO, Taylor is clearly a better one day player, and the first 3 (in some order) should be Astle, Fleming and Vincent
My opinion is not wrong, its what i think, i never said it was true he was better at number 3 i said its what i think.
 

Lego_Man

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To be fair TH i don't think How's strike rate is too much of a problem at the moment. What we need really is someone steady at the top of the order who can stay in, while the other strokemakers work around him. The other thing is he may just need time to grow into the role. Remember Fleming in the mid-late 90s? I used to think he was the worst ODI player to wield a bat - he'd come in, get an excruciating 15,20,30 off 40-50 balls and then get out. But look at him now, you'll find that he's probably the quickest striker in our top order.
 

JJ

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go_the_doggies said:
My opinion is not wrong, its what i think, i never said it was true he was better at number 3 i said its what i think.

ok - well you made the statement that he is "a lot better at 3". Clearly that's not the case, he's much the same anywhere between 1-4, but has onlty made 100s opening or at 4 - despite the fact that he's played a lot at 4.

The main question do we have someone who's better at opening - Astle obviously, but anyone else?
 
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