Brad Thorn elligability

[Kiwi]

I find it funny how noone seems to worried when it comes to other sports. How many olympians who represent Australia are from other countires? Rathbone ( sp? ) is south african ect. Yet certain league fans, mainly NSW fans cry out like it's the greatest injustice the game has ever seen, unless of course it's when the likes of NZ born Willie Mason are selected for the Blues, but Hunt can't make the same choice, that wouldn't be right.

 

[hutch]

Yet certain league fans, mainly NSW fans cry out like it's the greatest injustice the game has ever seen, unless of course it's when the likes of NZ born Willie Mason are selected for the Blues, but Hunt can't make the same choice, that wouldn't be right.

im sick of you kiwis claiming willie mason. he has lived pretty much his entire life here, just because he has a kiwi parent does not make him a kiwi. yes, he was born in nz, before he moved over here at an early age, played all his junior footy here, and has gone onto represent his country (Australia) in rugby league. i have no problem with hunt doing the same if he considers himself to be an aussie. but once you make the choice you should never be allowed to go back on it.

 

[strong_latte]

I find it funny how noone seems to worried when it comes to other sports. How many olympians who represent Australia are from other countires? Rathbone ( sp? ) is south african ect. Yet certain league fans, mainly NSW fans cry out like it's the greatest injustice the game has ever seen, unless of course it's when the likes of NZ born Willie Mason are selected for the Blues, but Hunt can't make the same choice, that wouldn't be right.

It's more to do with people saying that having kiwi's playing Origin would devalue it and therefore not letting players like SBW etc in, but whe it comes to Thorn, who went out of his way to play for the All Blacks, they don't seem to think this standard applies...

 

[douglasallen91]

Thorn played for NZ in Union. Sonny Bill played for NZ in league. Therein lies the difference. It seems people want to link League to Union only when it suits them, like in this debate. I'm sure in other debates these same people would say that league and union couldn't be further apart.

meanie rep football to me means playing for YOUR COUNTRY or in the state of origin the STATE you came from. it does not represent for me playing for nzrl or ARL only. you either represent one or the other.

 

[douglasallen91]

no he didnt. SBW played his junior footy in auckland, where he was spotted by bulldogs scouts and moved over here at 15 i think. he has currently gone on to play rugby league for nz in a test match. carroll and thorn moved over here at a young age, played ALL there junior footy in qld, consider themselves aussie and have never played a TEST match for nz in league, which still enables them to play for qld. carroll played for nz at the world cup but the games were not considered test matches for some stupid reason. it is a farce that they actually played for nz in any sport, but thats the grandparent rule for you. they are definately queenslanders.

so you are saying that thorn shouldn't have been able to play for the all blacks even though he is from new zealand

 

[douglasallen91]

i have to go back and learn what the word origin means, i always thought it meant where you originated from. but i guess i am wrong.

 

[JJ]

i have to go back and learn what the word origin means, i always thought it meant where you originated from. but i guess i am wrong.

there's a rule, isn't there - where you played your first game at a certain level (can't recall what it was though). Until he played a test, SBW may well have been elligible for NSW, and Benji Marshall for Qld

 

[Kiwi]

It's more to do with people saying that having kiwi's playing Origin would devalue it and therefore not letting players like SBW etc in, but whe it comes to Thorn, who went out of his way to play for the All Blacks, they don't seem to think this standard applies...

Even forgetting Thorn for a second, look at the reaction of fans with regards to Carroll and Hunt. Carroll did no more than a fair few others did in the 2000 world cup, and wouldn't have played at all if it meant he couldn't play origin anymore ect. Hunt, like Mason and Villasanti made a choice, yet because these guys are Broncos and Maroons and not Blues there is a big uproar about it.

 

[douglasallen91]

Even forgetting Thorn for a second, look at the reaction of fans with regards to Carroll and Hunt. Carroll did no more than a fair few others did in the 2000 world cup, and wouldn't have played at all if it meant he couldn't play origin anymore ect. Hunt, like Mason and Villasanti made a choice, yet because these guys are Broncos and Maroons and not Blues there is a big uproar about it.

i would have no issues with carroll IF he had not played for new zealand at the world cup and then jump back into bed with queensland etc.

not even going to state my point on hunt again and again and again

 

[Kiwi]

im sick of you kiwis claiming willie mason. he has lived pretty much his entire life here, just because he has a kiwi parent does not make him a kiwi. yes, he was born in nz, before he moved over here at an early age, played all his junior footy here, and has gone onto represent his country (Australia) in rugby league. i have no problem with hunt doing the same if he considers himself to be an aussie. but once you make the choice you should never be allowed to go back on it.

Well you know how I feel as a QLD fan, and a NZ supporter. You are a minority if you are a blues fan. You may be sick of Kiwi's "claiming" NZ born Mason, which is hardly at all when compared to amount of sh*t QLD cops from NSW fans about Hunt, Carroll and Thorn.

 

[Kiwi]

i would have no issues with carroll IF he had not played for new zealand at the world cup and then jump back into bed with queensland etc.

not even going to state my point on hunt again and again and again

It was ok for Ricketson to play for another country? Why not Carroll? The idea was to get as many NRL based players into the world cup as possible for all teams to raise the standard some what. There was no exclusions in terms of teams one could play for and still return to origin and play for australia. That was the rule for everyone, not just for everyone but Carroll. That is the simple fact, seems to be over most fans heads, including yours.

On Hunt, of course you don't want to explain over and over again, because you probably agree it's ok for Mason and not Hunt. One rule for the Blue's and on for the Maroon's in your eyes is it??

 

[kickback]

Thorn and carrol are Queenslanders and when they run on to the best ground in the world they will play like Queenslanders. We will hear the cocky's crying as the belt them all over the park.

Stop the wingging cocky's!

 

[Mr Saab]

It was ok for Ricketson to play for another country? Why not Carroll? The idea was to get as many NRL based players into the world cup as possible for all teams to raise the standard some what. There was no exclusions in terms of teams one could play for and still return to origin and play for australia. That was the rule for everyone, not just for everyone but Carroll. That is the simple fact, seems to be over most fans heads, including yours.

some people just never listen Kiwi...they are ignorant clowns who dont look at the FACTS.

 

[hutch]

i have to go back and learn what the word origin means, i always thought it meant where you originated from. but i guess i am wrong.

i am pretty sure it is where you played your footy before the age of 16. a good example is gorden tallis, who played for nsw u/19's against qld, but played for qld in origin.

 

[Meanie]

meanie rep football to me means playing for YOUR COUNTRY or in the state of origin the STATE you came from. it does not represent for me playing for nzrl or ARL only. you either represent one or the other.

Goodie for you. Now respond to my point.

As an add on to this, Arthur Beetson, Kerry Boustead and a collection of others played for New South Wales for years. You gonna call them any less or any less worthy of playing for Queensland? "But those were the rules back then". EXACTLY.

 

[douglasallen91]

It was ok for Ricketson to play for another country? Why not Carroll? The idea was to get as many NRL based players into the world cup as possible for all teams to raise the standard some what. There was no exclusions in terms of teams one could play for and still return to origin and play for australia. That was the rule for everyone, not just for everyone but Carroll. That is the simple fact, seems to be over most fans heads, including yours.

On Hunt, of course you don't want to explain over and over again, because you probably agree it's ok for Mason and not Hunt. One rule for the Blue's and on for the Maroon's in your eyes is it??

hunt 12 -15 when he went to aussie played league first in new zealand, doesn't mason have an AUSSIE PARENT! BUT HE SHOULD GIVE BACK OUR PASSPORT THANKS!

i have no problem with players playing for MINOR COUNTRIES! not new zealand!!

tonie carroll kept someone else out of the new zealand jersey who deserved the jersey, if he wasn't going to commit to the team long term he shouldn't be playing for them.

 

[douglasallen91]

Goodie for you. Now respond to my point.

As an add on to this, Arthur Beetson, Kerry Boustead and a collection of others played for New South Wales for years. You gonna call them any less or any less worthy of playing for Queensland? "But those were the rules back then". EXACTLY.

just cause they are rules does not make it right. i want the rules changed so to prevent our youngsters going over to aussie to further their career (job) and then playing for queensland or nsw and aussie.

people say kiwis shouldn't be playing state of origin but in fact they already are.

 

[douglasallen91]

what a day it would have been when this happened.
queensland
1. hunt
7. marshall
11. thorn
13. carroll

nsw
11. tony puletua
12. sonny bill williams

 

[Kiwi]

hunt 12 -15 when he went to aussie played league first in new zealand, doesn't mason have an AUSSIE PARENT! BUT HE SHOULD GIVE BACK OUR PASSPORT THANKS!

i have no problem with players playing for MINOR COUNTRIES! not new zealand!!

tonie carroll kept someone else out of the new zealand jersey who deserved the jersey, if he wasn't going to commit to the team long term he shouldn't be playing for them.

Well that was the rule, like it or not for the 2000 world cup. There now is NOTHING wrong with Carroll playing for Qld and Australia. Ricketson kept someone out of the irland jersey who deserved to be there, so did Campion. Tuqiri took someones Fijian jersey who would have been commited long term to the team, Minor countries or not, these players did what you say Carroll did. The rule was there for everyone, not just certain teams and players.