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Brian Smith on the C/S

Father Ted

First Grade
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Rules for Preseason Trials as Predictors

24/02/2014
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Rule 1. Don’t take any notice of SCORES – ever!
Rule 2. Take careful note of how close the line-up looks to the likely top team and then carefully assess PERFORMANCE.

Rule 3. Check on history - does team or coach have a history of improving as the season unfolds or of folding quickly after whirlwind start.
Applied to the Charity Shield we can clearly predict:

Under Rule 1 the score does not indicate how much difference there really is between these two teams. It would falsely lead you to feel that the Dragons are closer to Souths than they actually are! It could have been by a way bigger margin!!


Under Rule 2 I would suggest the lineups were reasonably close to the best for both teams EXCEPT Rabbits were missing key component Adam REYNOLDS. I hope for the Dragons sake that they have someone or somefive or someseven to add or it’s looking very, very bleak for them.

Under Rule 3 Souths have grown during the course of past couple of seasons under coach Maguire (albeit faded in playoffs). Coach Price has only two seasons as head coach and it didn’t reflect a growth of the team.
General Assessment:

Highlight of the match for me was the role John Sutton played in Souths attack. Fox commentary team was distracted by the number on his back, the fact that he had trained all off season as a forward and the idea that he was playing half back! What they missed was that he just played to his strengths and his natural skill set.

The effectiveness he has displayed throughout his career has been sometimes questioned by his lack of involvement, his left-sidedness and his lack of top class speed for a play maker.

What I could immediately see was by playing in the fashion he did, taking first pass on numerous occasions so naturally, he could forget about being left sided. With this new opportunity to be closer the ball all over the field he was leading anyone of their big powerhouse forwards onto short balls creating one on one opportunities for them through his own threat to dummy and go or step inside that ruck defender or occasionally link with a long pass to the backs!

What a revelation.
Souths now have the opportunity in 2014 to add a big strong man with great run, catch, pass, dummy, off load and extensive range of kicks to its forward pack and team. The number of variations or options Sutton playing in this advanced role adds to a team often accused of being one dimensional or bullies, is remarkable.

It was against a team that won’t trouble the big teams and it was a trial only but if I was anywhere near that Rabbits camp I would be one excited little bunny tonight.

A note of caution only would be Sutton was able to play his same old role of “3” in defence on the edge in this match and I presume he would need to defend at 4 or even in the middle when Reynolds returns to number 7. That will up his tackling and general defence workload quite a bit and he never strikes me as super fit.

However I think we might just have seen the genesis of a combination that might bring the thing South Sydney fans have all been waiting all those seasons for!

PS For Roosters fans this is what I was talking about in 2013 for SBW. Tying him up to the fence on a long lead that ensured he was always on the right edge in attack is so limiting not only to the player but to the team and for we fans frustrating for our sport to show its best. Players with these capabilities need coaches to recognise the possibilities and forget the current trends and realise there are many ways to play positive,

productive, winning footy. Maybe there is someone in your club who can add some real X factor to the attack of your team – let me know who you think that might be.
http://www.smithyspeaks.com.au/rules-for-preseason-trials-as-predictors/


Umm Ouch.
 

Dragonboyd

Juniors
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He did lose 32-8 in a GF to us.
Personally didn't need to hear his opinion, we all know the problems and how deep they go.
 

watatank

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Just about everything in there pertaining to us has been mentioned in this forum already. Interesting read nonetheless.
 

Minh

First Grade
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He knows his footy inside out, looks like he might be making a call out for a return. My interpretation of it is that he's saying Price doesn't improve the team over the course of the season (It's just a trial according to Price, yeh right) and that we are nowhere near the top teams. He's saying an under strength Souths team (missing key playmakers) could have lapped us even more.
 

Godz Illa

Coach
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Steve Price needs to read it, specifically his comments on Sutton. That type of play is what we need in the middle to assist our go forward. Increase Gareth Widdop's role, or start coaching the forwards to pass before the line, or find a new fkn dummy half. Preferably all 3.
 

saint.nick

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Steve Price needs to read it, specifically his comments on Sutton. That type of play is what we need in the middle to assist our go forward. Increase Gareth Widdop's role, or start coaching the forwards to pass before the line, or find a new fkn dummy half. Preferably all 3.

Why would he need to read it? I thought his knowledge about the game was meant to be fantastic :lol:
 

BennyV

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Could Kyle Stanley, looking as big and bulky as he does, play that John Sutton style role?

Agree with you Godz, we need a game plan that involves Widdop as much as possible, and Rein goneski...
 

Godz Illa

Coach
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I don't like to toot my own extra large and extremely virile horn, but I mentioned the Stanley-to-lock idea months ago. Makes much more sense than turning into a dummy half, which is dumb
 

Cagey Mac

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I don't like to toot my own extra large and extremely virile horn, but I mentioned the Stanley-to-lock idea months ago. Makes much more sense than turning into a dummy half, which is dumb

With Stanley at lock
What is your starting pack?
Who is on the bench?

Injury free I like where you're going with this.
 

Godz Illa

Coach
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Haven't thought that far ahead Cage! I just figure that, as a project, it seems wiser than turning him into a dummy half. Cutters for the time being.
 

pinkmoon

Juniors
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Stanley is not a hooker, that much I am sure of!

It is so much easier for Sutton to play lock behind that monster pack though. The team needs to be going forward and winning the ruck easily for the effectiveness of the "Sutton" game to be realised. Quick play-the-balls allow him to hit the advantage line and trouble a retreating defence. I can just imagine what would happen to Stanley if he wore the 13; he would end up making measly 5 metre gain hit ups while the rest of the forwards get dumped on their backs around him.

It's a good idea, if the rest of the pack are winning the ruck. But yes, it's a better idea than hooker.
 

TheRev

Coach
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Hmm 75% of the article was about Sutton, I still dont particularly rate him, but #6 wasnt his position imo.
 

Puff

First Grade
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Haven't thought that far ahead Cage! I just figure that, as a project, it seems wiser than turning him into a dummy half. Cutters for the time being.

I like your idea, apart from the fact KS is made of paper. if he can drink a can of cement, then lets do it.
 

rainman44

Bench
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Could Kyle Stanley, looking as big and bulky as he does, play that John Sutton style role?

Agree with you Godz, we need a game plan that involves Widdop as much as possible, and Rein goneski...
Rein goneski is a start as he makes me sick watching him.
 

hardbaby

Coach
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I don't like to toot my own extra large and extremely virile horn, but I mentioned the Stanley-to-lock idea months ago. Makes much more sense than turning into a dummy half, which is dumb

Yes you did. My own less amazing and virile horn still sees Stanley on the bench as a utility and that does mean time at 9. My concern now is that he has played multiple positions and been ok to acceptable in all of them. Is he actually good enough to grab any spot?
 

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