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What problem might that be then?
The problem that they placed an expansion team in area well covered by the Broncos instead of in an area they could fill a identified gap.What problem might that be then?
No one is saying Ipswich should be in now. Ikin is just taking the opportunity to remind the NRL that QLD should be next in line after Perth (debatable, but it's his job to push it). Brisbane was always able to host three big NRL clubs if the NRL wanted itIt's a valid point though.
2 sides in Brisbane should be enough to cater for the whole city for at least a decade.
The fact that so soon after there admittance people are calling for another 1 or 2 Brisbane sides suggests a problem.
The fact that it's 2025 and we have barely gone beyond two states suggests how poorly considered expansion is.
I mean the CEO was talking about f**king Hawaii the other day!
Why can't the second biggest rugby city in the world have 3 clubs? Better still why not? All three will rate the house down on TV and pull the NRL crowd average up.The problem that they placed an expansion team in area well covered by the Broncos instead of in an area they could fill a identified gap.
Thus the calls already for a need to use a third license to cover a city that should be more than adequately covered by two clubs.
That might be debatable. Dolphins crowds dropped year 1 to 2 and sit half the size of the Broncos. Is it a case of diminishing returns every time you add a club to the Brisabne market?Brisbane was always able to host three big NRL clubs if the NRL wanted it
The only way it works in the next decade is that if it's clear that the 3 teams in SEQ aren't catering for all the RL fans in that region.Why can't the second biggest rugby city in the world have 3 clubs? Better still why not? All three will rate the house down on TV and pull the NRL crowd average up.
You'll get your Perth team and NZ will most likely get an SI team. So f**k off with the idea that Brisbane only needs two. It's not about need, we deserve three given our contribution to the game
Broncos year 2 ave: 18k / Dolphins 21kThat might be debatable. Dolphins crowds dropped year 1 to 2 and sit half the size of the Broncos. Is it a case of diminishing returns every time you add a club to the Brisabne market?
Deserve? you're sounding very self entitled lol.
Could it host three clubs, yes I m sure it could. Does it NEED three clubs? Not if the second one had been done right.
Ipswich is its own city just outside of Brisbane. The fan base is in no way a problem. If Sydney can have 9 FFS we can have 4 in a region as big as SEQ.The only way it works in the next decade is that if it's clear that the 3 teams in SEQ aren't catering for all the RL fans in that region.
Or that the inclusion of a new team will suddenly create another fanbase that didn't already support one of the existing teams, and not cannibalise them.
How quickly would you have SEQ at 4?Ipswich is its own city just outside of Brisbane. The fan base is in no way a problem. If Sydney can have 9 FFS we can have 4 in a region as big as SEQ.
And no, we aren't copying the mistakes of Sydney, I'd stop at 4 it's the perfect balance where each club have their own corner (Dolphins North, Broncos Central, Titans South, Jets West).
This is about RL and SEQ both growing together and both are growing rapidly at the moment.
the whole city is covered by the Broncos, the issue is that they put a team in an area that may have limited geographic appeal. Will people south of the river want to support the Dolphins? will people even north of the river want to support a Redcliffe team? Will be interesting to see if their support grows or stagnates over time...The problem that they placed an expansion team in area well covered by the Broncos instead of in an area they could fill a identified gap.
Thus the calls already for a need to use a third license to cover a city that should be more than adequately covered by two clubs.
Broncos year 2 ave: 18k / Dolphins 21k
So far this year Dolphins are at 27k
Dolphins crowd wise have been doing very good. And as you said, need to see a few years down the track how they are which will in part be reliant on how the team is performing on the field.Dolphins
Yr 1 25.5k
Yr 2 21.6k
Yr 3 25.3k (so far)
it took 4 years for the Titans crowds to tank. Too early to say what will happen with Dolphins crowds. If they can get a winning team they'll see an uplift and be ok youd think. If they remain in 11th-13th spot it'll likely keep declining. Way too early to even be thinking of adding another Brisbane club yet.
Ipswich would be the logical place given its far enough out of the city to not cannabilise Broncos. But they would need a 25k stadium to call home, taking just the derby games to Suncorp. They would be one of the smaller NRl clubs alongside some of the sydney suburb clubs you'd feel given the population in a 30-45min radius of Ipswich and that some of that population would already be Broncos fans.Dolphins crowd wise have been doing very good. And as you said, need to see a few years down the track how they are which will in part be reliant on how the team is performing on the field.
Also comparing the Broncos crowds from year 1 to year 2 with the Dolphins is almost meaningless given the population of Brisbane has gone from about 1.3m when they were admitted to about 2.5m now.
You would think another Qld team will be added at some point in the future. Question is when and where.
might have already been posted, but if not, North Ipswich Reserve is finally getting converted to a rectangle with a new grandstand.But they would need a 25k stadium to call home, taking just the derby games to Suncorp.
Brisbane's a very different market to the Gold Coast and another team will do really well. I'm going to leave it there though mate given the news on the Bears. It's a good time to put the swords down and celebrate as a game that we have Perth and the Bears back. Congratulations!Dolphins
Yr 1 25.5k
Yr 2 21.6k
Yr 3 25.3k (so far)
it took 4 years for the Titans crowds to tank. Too early to say what will happen with Dolphins crowds. If they can get a winning team they'll see an uplift and be ok youd think. If they remain in 11th-13th spot it'll likely keep declining. Way too early to even be thinking of adding another Brisbane club yet.
I think mate after 2032 would be appropriate. The Tits would rarely average above 20k because of stadium size but Brisbane's a completely different market. Given time to bed in, I could see Broncos averaging over 40k almost permanently and Phins and Jets averaging over 25k and slowly creeping up from there which is a very good outcome. Once you have the Jets in I'd close the book on Queensland at NRL level.How quickly would you have SEQ at 4?
Would you define having 4 clubs that draw 20k as more of a success than 3 that draw 30k?
Do you have any concerns that expanding to soon could cannibalise the existing teams support and sponsorship?
might have already been posted, but if not, North Ipswich Reserve is finally getting converted to a rectangle with a new grandstand.
I might be jumping the gun & making crazy assumptions here, but.. the potential timeframe for a 20th team is interesting.
The talk is that Perth (team 18) will be 2027, then PNG in 2028 (team 19) is set for 2028, which is the locked-in deal with Govt etc.
That takes us to 19, but 19 means a bye each week.
History has been that an odd number of teams only lasts 4 seasons (1984-87 & likely 2023-26 if Perth is added in 2027 as speculated) OR 5 seasons (2002-2006).
Based on what we've seen in the last few decades, if we go to 19 teams in 2028 when PNG enters.. the 20th team will likely be added 2033 AT THE LATEST because 5 seasons will be 2028-2032 with 19 teams.
Does 2033 at the latest give the Dolphins/Broncos/Titans enough time to be ready & accepting of a new NRL team in SEQ?