Burt in 100%

[hineyrulz]

I dont think, Barty, that moving Hayne to fullback was seen to be the move that would save us, or tha Hayne would be the saviour by playing fullback, it was more a belief that Burt wasnt playing well, and Hayne's best position would be fullback. Just a wish to see that change made.

I think saying people were claiming Hayne would be a saviour is reaching a bit IMO. In fact, I believe the consensus has been there is NO saviour, in the backline anyway, and our problems lie up front.

Spot on, even blind Freddy knows our main problems lie in the forwards and a coach that has looked to be our of idea's after round 6.

 

[ParraAds]

Ahh the people who really wanted Hayne at fullback, like me.....have been saying it since round 1, all season long despite any fluctuations of performance by he or Burt....

Some came out and jumped on the bandwagon when Burt really sunk to a new low, but suggesting that everyone saw Hayne as a saviour at fullback is just silly.

We wanted it from day one.

 

[strider]

well actually i think there's been a heap of discussion that if Hayne played fullback over Burt it would go a long way to making us win .... heaps of posts about getting us on the front foot from the kick return rather than having to start the set going backwards - I think the posters think that was a massive thing for the team - saviour??? hmmm maybe not - but maybe Moses leading the way! .... ppl have pretty strong views on it!

maybe its right??? .... tbh I would prefer jarryd to stay fullback after last week - I thought he was one of our best players .... mind you wanted to be after the bit of sooking he'd done

the way I see it - kick returns are NOT JUST THE FULLBACK - wingers probably get just as many kick returns these days .... infact I'd be interested to see a stat of total kick returns to compare how many Burt has to our wingers ..... and in all honesty Jarryd's kick returns aginst the Bunnies, the week before his fullback promotion, were abysmal!!! .... I dunno whether the Burt dropping is a smokescreen or what - but Jarryd was very fortunate to get a run at fullback - he did nothing to deserve it ..... but having said that, he did pull his finger out and played well - so good on him

 

[ParraAds]

You're right....kick returns are not the only aspect of being a fullback....

Kick Returns
Defence
Support Play
Ability to bust the line
Imagination and Creativity
Safety under the high ball

I could go on and on.....but the short answer is that Hayne is superior in every way, except maybe goal kicking...lol.

 

[ParraAds]

Jarryd was very fortunate to get a run at fullback - he did nothing to deserve it

Watch replays of the last 6 or 7 games from last season, and tell me a reason why Hayne deserved to LOSE the fullback spot.

 

[bartman]

Spot on, even blind Freddy knows our main problems lie in the forwards and a coach that has looked to be our of idea's after round 6.

Agree there. That's why all the Hayne/Burt discussion was so funny at the time... (for some people) like the teams fortunes depended on it.

 

[Fathead]

I know one thing can do if he wanted to please the masses...

:lol::lol:

 

[bartman]

well actually i think there's been a heap of discussion that if Hayne played fullback over Burt it would go a long way to making us win .... heaps of posts about getting us on the front foot from the kick return rather than having to start the set going backwards - I think the posters think that was a massive thing for the team - saviour??? hmmm maybe not - but maybe Moses leading the way! .... ppl have pretty strong views on it!

Thanks Strider. It's the depth of feeling about the Hayne switch in recent weeks that I was referring to. It was pretty strong stuff from some people, whether people share the same levels of opinion or for whatever reason want to remember it or not.

maybe its right??? .... tbh I would prefer jarryd to stay fullback after last week - I thought he was one of our best players .... mind you wanted to be after the bit of sooking he'd done

The only reason why Hagan should stop giving Hayne a go at fullback (after making teh change in the first place) is if it was only ever a temporary cover situation, given the report that has come out that Burt's absence last weekend after originally being named in the team was owing to personal situation.

That's what I'm saying. My reading of the articles this week (and now last week's in retrospect) suggest that might be the case, so we shoudl be prepared for Burt to be in the #1, whether we like it or lump it. We might have to accept the carry-on here about Burt being dropped on form was never something Hagan actually did or said?

the way I see it - kick returns are NOT JUST THE FULLBACK - wingers probably get just as many kick returns these days .... infact I'd be interested to see a stat of total kick returns to compare how many Burt has to our wingers ..... and in all honesty Jarryd's kick returns aginst the Bunnies, the week before his fullback promotion, were abysmal!!! [/quote]
Good point about wingers having the chance to influence a game as much as a fullback, in terms of kick returns. But it seems we have a situation where jarryd has publically put pressure on his coach by requesting a shift from the wing, and now Reddy appears to be shifted out, to allow Hayne back into the centres - a position from which he was "dropped"?

It all seems like very bizarre coaching, reactionary rather than having any plan... and I'm not holding too much hope for tomorrow night! (Better to expect little and be pleasantly surprised...)

 

[BRAD BELLICK]

Thanks Strider. It's the depth of feeling about the Hayne switch in recent weeks that I was referring to. It was pretty strong stuff from some people, whether people share the same levels of opinion or for whatever reason want to remember it or not.


The only reason why Hagan should stop giving Hayne a go at fullback (after making teh change in the first place) is if it was only ever a temporary cover situation, given the report that has come out that Burt's absence last weekend after originally being named in the team was owing to personal situation.

That's what I'm saying. My reading of the articles this week (and now last week's in retrospect) suggest that might be the case, so we shoudl be prepared for Burt to be in the #1, whether we like it or lump it. We might have to accept the carry-on here about Burt being dropped on form was never something Hagan actually did or said?

the way I see it - kick returns are NOT JUST THE FULLBACK - wingers probably get just as many kick returns these days .... infact I'd be interested to see a stat of total kick returns to compare how many Burt has to our wingers ..... and in all honesty Jarryd's kick returns aginst the Bunnies, the week before his fullback promotion, were abysmal!!!

Fullbacks are given alot more freedom in attack then wingers. Fullback is usually a poistion occupied by your best broken field runner. Who is our best broken field runner? Burt? His 5 low confidence/surrender/get driven back runs a game would indicate no. In fact his probably the worst broken field runner in the league.

Is he a good support player? Average at best.

The difference between wingers and fullbacks kick returns is if a fullback is positioned well he can chew up alot of early metres. Is Burt a good positional fullback? No!

To me it makes much more sense playing our best broken field runner & someone who actually makes u tackle them at fullback. Hayne is a much better option. Anyone with any knowledge of the game can see this bar our useless coach.

 

[bartman]

Get ready for Burt to be in the #1 regardless. And see if we can get behind the team, and watch them pull together.

And as most people recognise, the real problem has been our forwards getting on top of other teams for 80 mins. The only time it's really happened is v Wests (minus their front row), isn't it?

That's the real issue for Parra, not the Hayne/Burt jersey mix-up.

 

[BRAD BELLICK]

Get ready for Burt to be in the #1 regardless. And see if we can get behind the team, and watch them pull together.

And as most people recognise, the real problem has been our forwards getting on top of other teams for 80 mins. The only time it's really happened is v Wests (minus their front row), isn't it?

That's the real issue for Parra, not the Hayne/Burt jersey mix-up.

noone is saying Burt/Hayne is THE ONLY issue. For mine it is a big issue though and an easily fixable one.

Forwards are just as big a problem for sure.

Neither are getting fixed while numb nuts is coach. We've all Just gotta put up with it, but people can have their say.

 

[ParraAds]

Here's a solution that will please everyone.....




10. Burt

Bring on the protein powder!

 

[bartman]

noone is saying Burt/Hayne is THE ONLY issue. For mine it is a big issue though and an easily fixable one.

Forwards are just as big a problem for sure.

Neither are getting fixed while numb nuts is coach. We've all Just gotta put up with it, but people can have their say.

I think it's quite a small issue, personally. Very small in fact, compared to what else has been going on in the side across the paddock.

Not trying to stop anyone having a say at all. Just trying to prepare people to accept that Burt may well run out at fullback tomorrow, and explain some of the reasons why that isn't a disaster, since the switch may not have been as permanent as a lot of people expected it was going to be when Burt was stood down....

 

[apeman]

as every1 expects the team WILL be ...

1burt
2tautai
3hayne
4inu
5williams

... more interestingly will be the performance of KK. If he plays moderately well he will be retained at 6, pushing mateo into the 13.

 

[bartman]

Would be happy to see Mateo in 13, when he returns. Regardless of the result v Cowboys, or KK's individual performance.

That's a change that would have some impact in the forwards, rather than deckchairs on the titanic with the outside backs.

 

[HevyDevy]

? This one..

...where I was talking about my own view, not making claims about anyone else's specific view?


No need to be offended HD, I wasn't calling out you or your view specifically.

Just stating my own, and stating how in retrospect I find it funny that people got excited over Hagan's mid-week selection change, thinking it was because he'd toughened up, because Burt was so bad, or (in the most part) because Hayne had so much potential in the #1.

We're a bunch of desperates, who'll cling onto anything, is more the point I'm making?

Ok then that's fair enough. Just didn't want you to think that I thought that if Hayne was fullback we would suddenly start winning!

We all know that there are about 4000 problem areas at our club.

 

[eels_]

how can everyone be so against burt playing???? i know hims form hasn't been amazing this year... But for me, Tautai has to go... he has done nothing all year except mistakes and finish off easy tries... thats it...

if its a 50/50 you bet tautai wont score... if reddy gets dropped that will do me. he isnt the best centre/winger in the world (or at the club even) but I think on what he has don this year, he deserves his place.

So in summary, what I am saying is, yes, Burt might not be playing great or anything, but I think he deserves to be in the team ahead of Tautai. Reddy does too for that matter. I just wanted to get that off my chest.

 

[Clintos]

Some of the artlices have hinted at Burt playing on the wing in place of Reddy with Hayne staying at the back.

 

[Eels Dude]

how can everyone be so against burt playing???? i know hims form hasn't been amazing this year... But for me, Tautai has to go... he has done nothing all year except mistakes and finish off easy tries... thats it...

if its a 50/50 you bet tautai wont score... if reddy gets dropped that will do me. he isnt the best centre/winger in the world (or at the club even) but I think on what he has don this year, he deserves his place.

So in summary, what I am saying is, yes, Burt might not be playing great or anything, but I think he deserves to be in the team ahead of Tautai. Reddy does too for that matter. I just wanted to get that off my chest.

To Tautai's credit he has made some good metres this year in general play and from dummy half. Been the best out of the outside backs in that regard. He has looked very ordinary under the high ball though and rarely looks like breaking the line... seems to only be able to score tries by catching the ball and running from 5 metres out once the hard work has already been done. Reddy deserves a shot on the wing, even though his form's been down in recent weeks.

 

[ParraAds]

This isn't just about tonight, or the rest of the season...

It's about the long term and having the right option secured for the next few seasons.

If Hagan puts Burt at fullback for this game, he should be sacked on the spot.