Burt on the list as Warriors look around for new blood

[mickdo]

the veteran exception is 100k as long as you have 1 player that triggers the exception, it then can be used on anybody, boosting the club cap effectively by 100k.

it isn't REALLY a veteran's exception as such

Pretty sure the $100k can only be used officially on 10 year players, but spread across as many of them as you like. For example, you couldn't have a single 10 year player on $55k and use the remaining $45k of the $100k to go to non-veterans.

 

[caylo]

Pretty sure the $100k can only be used officially on 10 year players, but spread across as many of them as you like. For example, you couldn't have a single 10 year player on $55k and use the remaining $45k of the $100k to go to non-veterans.

As far as I am aware Mickdo this is correct, essentially if you have one 10 year veteran and you sign him for 100K or 55K you will be exempt his contract. In our case because Hindy, Cayless and Burt are 10 year veterans and are on over 100K each it wouldnt effect us if 2 of the 3 left.

 

[NorthShoreEel]

Brisbane, Gold Coast, North Queensland, Newcastle, Canberra and Warriors all have geographic economic advantages. It's always been known that Brisbane can afford to pay their players, usually the mid tier players, less because it's cheaper to live in Brisbane than it is in Sydney.
Melbourne on the other hand is about the same cost as Sydney but when you actually look at their squads per year, they have had massive turnovers in short periods and a lot of the players haven't left on amicable terms. Kimmorley, Orford, Hill, Bai, Swain, Howe, Folau. I fully expect them to have another turnover soon, started with Folau, but you could see more of their players want to move back to Queensland or NSW in Turner's case.

Have to disagree with you there - Melbourne is about 2/3 the cost of Sydney, and when someone like Inglis is living in Altona Meadows, which is near the water in the western suburbs, but also near the oil refinery & tanning factories - he is living in a very cheap area. (Williamstown, and to a lesser extent Altona, have only started to become yuppy areas in the last 10-15 years, prior to that, all of this area was working class)

Melbourne have to be getting some concessions from the NRL - an unsuccessful team in Melbourne achieves nothing - having said that, a successful team in Melbourne has hardly achieved anything either.

NRL are fighting a battle they will never win. They should be spending the money on developing the game in their own backyard.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

Salary cap concessions regarding 10 year veterans - you have $100k to spread across the entire Club but no player can receive more than $50k per year.

Basically we're dividing our $100k between Caylo, Hindy and Burty.

 

[lingard]

Burt at 200K though? Too much

Why on earth is it too much? Has been just about our most creative back this year. He's in career-best form. He's also a crack goal-kicker. His age is irrelevant. Why not $200,000?

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

Looking at his versatility and experience (not to mention his kicking) he is easily worth $200k.

He won't be going anywhere, however.

 

[born an eel]

Salary cap concessions regarding 10 year veterans - you have $100k to spread across the entire Club but no player can receive more than $50k per year.

Basically we're dividing our $100k between Caylo, Hindy and Burty.

how far off is our next 10 year veteran? Ben Smith??

With people trying to off load Burt & Caylo, it's $50K we should use to keep them that can not be used elsewhere.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

Yeah, Ben Smith is next in line I think. Can't think of anyone who would be ahead of him.

In essence, though, you don't have to actually spend the money on the vets. You can just say you are. Example: Veteran A earnt $100k/year. You just say he accepted a reduced offer of $50k/yr, plus he is eligible for $50k/yr from the concession. So, he stays on the same pay but you now have $50k under your cap to spend on the non-vets.

Your first 2 vets give you $50k each extra cap space. After that, additional vets don't bring anything to the table.

 

[mickdo]

Guru has played more seasons with us than Smith. Fui is probably ahead of him too.

 

[born an eel]

is the 10 year concession consecutive years or just total?

 

[PJ Marshal]

from memory feleti and ben made their debut in the same match against melbourne in 04 so both wud be close to the 10 year mark

 

[mickdo]

Pretty sure it's total

 

[mickdo]

from memory feleti and ben made their debut in the same match against melbourne in 04 so both wud be close to the 10 year mark

Feliti spent 2 years in the UK though

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

No, both would be at the 6 year mark. Also, Feleti went to the London Broncos so that might cut out a year.

Grothe went and played for the Roosters for a while so he's got a few years out there, too.

Fui was, what, 2005? So that would make him 5 years, still short of Ben Smith.

Also, I'm not sure if it is consecutive or total years. I'm guessing consecutive (because it is a reward for keeping a player at your Club and developing them from a junior right through to a long term first grader). If so, that would knock Eric out and maybe also Feleti (although unsure about that considering it was a loan to Broncos who are in another competition altogether).

 

[mickdo]

Fui debuted in 2004

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

OK, so Fui and Smithy are equal closest on 6.

Any other contenders?

 

[mickdo]

Ok, well according to the NRL website, it's consecutive years, but it got reduced to 8 years in 2007-10! I never knew that...

http://www.nrl.com/nrlhq/referencecentre/salarycap/tabid/10434/default.aspx

2003 Long Serving Player Allowance introduced to encourage Clubs to retain players who have served a continuous period of 10 years in first grade. This $100,000 allowance lifted the effective cap to $3.55m.

2006 A heads of agreement fo r a four-year Collective Bargaining Agreement was signed in June for seasons 2007-10. The agreement provided for:

* A $3.9m salary cap in 2007 – up from $3.366million
* Minimum wages of $55,000 (1-17) and $50,000 (18-25) – up from $37,500
* Origin payments increasing to $12,500 per game
* Increases in Third Party Sponsorship Agreements to $150,000
* Reduction in qualifying period for veteran players from 10 to 8 years

 

[PJ Marshal]

feleti was on loan, technically still contracted to us

 

[btaag]

The NRL is terrible at concessions for loyalty. They should follow the lead of the NBA / US sports and have mid-level exceptions and veterans minimums so that clubs can retain players. If a club cannot secure extra revenue for a mid level exception (eg $100-300k on top of the cap for a player) they should not be in the NRL.

 

[Craig Johnston]

The NRL is terrible at concessions for loyalty. They should follow the lead of the NBA / US sports and have mid-level exceptions and veterans minimums so that clubs can retain players. If a club cannot secure extra revenue for a mid level exception (eg $100-300k on top of the cap for a player) they should not be in the NRL.

different comps, different tribalism and different economics. the nba is constantly expanding, and can afford to grant these types of exceptions without risking alienating it's marketbase. if an nba franchise doesn't work, the franchise can pack it's bag and find another sustainable market, the nrl cannot. the nrl's critical market is also under threat from a natural predator (afl) and cannot afford to let go of it's saturation by killing off sydney clubs.

the only way to allow more exceptions is to grow the pie.

the only nba type salary cap rule that i have thought could work is the luxury cap, eg let the broncos spend 300k above the cap. but for every dollar they spend they pay 1.5 penalty to go towards subsidising lower spending teams.