Can Madge steer the Broncos to the finals?

[wittyfan]

Bring back Kevvy.

 

[gerg]

Madge since 2015

No finals appearances

48 games at Souths - 18 wins
80 games at Tigers - 29 wins
12 games at Brisbane - 5 wins

140 games for 52 wins at 37.14%

If you're crunching those numbers how does it compare with supercoach Wayne Bennett?
Madge did a fantastic job with NSW and the Kiwis and brought a premiership to the Bunnies after 40 years of failure. He clearly knows how to get it right.

 

[Wb1234]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/cant-believe-it-nrl-greats-incredible-rant-over-broncos-rumour/news-story/5e7c0cb5be9de76a43cd9b2dcca0bab2

 

[King-Gutho94]

If you're crunching those numbers how does it compare with supercoach Wayne Bennett?
Madge did a fantastic job with NSW and the Kiwis and brought a premiership to the Bunnies after 40 years of failure. He clearly knows how to get it right.

Your kidding ain't you

In that same time frame since end of 2015 Bennett has made 1 x GF, 4 x Prelim finals.

215 games for 127 wins @ 59.06% at 3 clubs (Brisbane, Souths, Dolphins)

Madge is 52 wins from 140 @ 37.14% with no finals (Souths, Tigers, Brisbane)

Its not even a contest

And in head to head Bennett is leading 10 wins to 1 against Madge.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Your kidding ain't you

In that same time frame since end of 2015 Bennett has made 1 x GF, 4 x Prelim finals.

215 games for 127 wins @ 59.06% at 3 clubs (Brisbane, Souths, Dolphins)

Madge is 52 wins from 140 @ 37.14% with no finals (Souths, Tigers, Brisbane)

Its not even a contest

And in head to head Bennett is leading 10 wins to 1 against Madge.

Sorry but in his first year, which is what at around the half way point, you are holding it against Maguire for not getting the Broncos to the NRL finals? Really?! When did they start playing NRL finals in June?!

If that is part of your criteria, then Bennett is a failure in his second stint at Souths since he hasn't gotten them to the NRL Finals either

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Mam playing the race card saying those mean Manly fans were booing him because he called out racism.

No, you were getting boo’d because you’re a shitty human who got off lightly for injuring a child while drug driving.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Mam playing the race card saying those mean Manly fans were booing him because he called out racism.

No, you were getting boo’d because you’re a shitty human who got off lightly for injuring a child while drug driving.

Yep, we should have punted him

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Madge cost Souths Burgess, Teo, Luke and other talented junior up n comers out of our roster due to his intensity. Is he too hard, the players too soft? Considering Seibold and Kev had issues I’d say the players are wankers.

 

[ALX25]

No, not at the moment.

 

[Bazal]

Mam playing the race card saying those mean Manly fans were booing him because he called out racism.

No, you were getting boo’d because you’re a shitty human who got off lightly for injuring a child while drug driving.

Yeah he's objectively a piece of shit

 

[gerg]

Mam playing the race card saying those mean Manly fans were booing him because he called out racism.

No, you were getting boo’d because you’re a shitty human who got off lightly for injuring a child while drug driving.

Surely he can't be this f***ing stupid? Shirley?

 

[Marshall_magic]

Mam playing the race card saying those mean Manly fans were booing him because he called out racism.

No, you were getting boo’d because you’re a shitty human who got off lightly for injuring a child while drug driving.

Genuinely insulting, as much as I am not a fan of Leniu, he is at least able to own his f**kups, rather than deflect and spin the narrative.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Madge since 2015

No finals appearances

48 games at Souths - 18 wins
80 games at Tigers - 29 wins
12 games at Brisbane - 5 wins

140 games for 52 wins at 37.14%

Conveniently set the criteria a year after he won a premiership. And as if winning percentage at the Tigers means anything to anyone. Ivan's was very similar there.

It's well known Madge doesn't have a long shelf life at clubs, due to his style.

This Broncos side, if they'd been prepared to work hard and buy in, could get near a first premiership in two decades...hell, it's round 13, maybe they still could. But if they don't, that's more on them than the coach. He knows how to win, especially in the short-term.

30-0 over Australia, Origin series win, has a premiership...that doesn't occur from a dud you're trying to paint him out to be.

 

[Mike Oxbigg]

Yeah he's objectively a piece of shit

And the irony of Manly fans booing him while Matthew Lodge was running around on the park for them.

 

[Bazal]

And the irony of Manly fans booing him while Matthew Lodge was running around on the park for them.

Also valid, no arguments from me. Lodge should be in prison

 

[King-Gutho94]

Conveniently set the criteria a year after he won a premiership. And as if winning percentage at the Tigers means anything to anyone. Ivan's was very similar there.

It's well known Madge doesn't have a long shelf life at clubs, due to his style.

This Broncos side, if they'd been prepared to work hard and buy in, could get near a first premiership in two decades...hell, it's round 13, maybe they still could. But if they don't, that's more on them than the coach. He knows how to win, especially in the short-term.

30-0 over Australia, Origin series win, has a premiership...that doesn't occur from a dud you're trying to paint him out to be.

His a Quality Rep Coach.

Just club coaching doesn't fit that style anymore.

Of course you have to train hard but Madge by the sounds of it doesn't have an off switch.

We ain't just talking about Broncos players here, Souths players eventually got fed up with it and Tigers players well i don't think they were good enough anyway.

But Madge had reportedly lost the group 18 months before he was sacked.

Elijah Taylor made this comment in that video which got Taupau sacked

"After a win, the world is a better place. But after a loss, you're off to a funeral and someone will be getting cooked at the video session."

Bellamy probably does it a similar way but he must have a lighter side to him behind the scenes because you see players like Cam Smith, Munster, Grant over the years take the piss out of him over his antics.

I don't think Madge has a lighter side.

 

[Trifili13]

Bellamy is also probably highly strung as we see in the coach's box on game day but obviously his record speaks for itself and there is a buy-in across the club of what is needed to be successful.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Bellamy is also probably highly strung as we see in the coach's box on game day but obviously his record speaks for itself and there is a buy-in across the club of what is needed to be successful.

Add in he's been at the Storm for what 20+ years so "shelf life" is not always a thing if the players buy in. How many people have said the Broncos playing squad, generally speaking, have been overly pampered compared to players at most other clubs in the NRL?

 

[Penrose Warrior]

His a Quality Rep Coach.

Just club coaching doesn't fit that style anymore.

Of course you have to train hard but Madge by the sounds of it doesn't have an off switch.

We ain't just talking about Broncos players here, Souths players eventually got fed up with it and Tigers players well i don't think they were good enough anyway.

But Madge had reportedly lost the group 18 months before he was sacked.

Elijah Taylor made this comment in that video which got Taupau sacked

"After a win, the world is a better place. But after a loss, you're off to a funeral and someone will be getting cooked at the video session."

Bellamy probably does it a similar way but he must have a lighter side to him behind the scenes because you see players like Cam Smith, Munster, Grant over the years take the piss out of him over his antics.

I don't think Madge has a lighter side.

Yeah I see 100% what you're saying. And I think Madge would admit he's intense, but as Souths found, you can get some joy out of what he's done on a short-term view. But the Broncos seem like they have no interest in working hard at all.

The guy clearly knows how to structure a football side to win NRL games, Origin games, Tests, the lot. There's no doubt the nuts and bolts are there. So it seems unanimous that the tone of the messaging, the approach is where the issues are lying.

Is that on Madge? Yeah, he probably should be more adaptable to what 21st century footballers respond to, especially at the Broncos. He should have known the cattle he was involved with, and how 2024 went so poorly. Arguably, the approach isn't the optimal one, which would be proven by the fact they're 11th or whatever, and have won one of their last 7.

But it's just as equally, if not more, on the players. Madge can coach you to win games, titles, the lot. Maybe you have to work so much harder, it's intense, you come home in a different frame of mind than previously. You maybe can't go and play golf in the afternoon. It probably feels harder than you thought you signed up for.

But man, a lot of those players were there on GF day in 2023 and tasted how close they were to a title. Why can't they cop a bit more hard work? Can't they remind themselves of that feeling and why they need to work harder right now? I reckon it's weak as hell. With that side, no way should they be where they are, not beating the Bunnies, being humped by a Sea Eagles team that isn't that hot themselves, etc.

TL;DR and all that. But it does give me the shits as someone who is a teacher/coach, and at times is expected to do things differently to kowtow to whatever letter of the alphabet Gen this is.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Add in he's been at the Storm for what 20+ years so "shelf life" is not always a thing if the players buy in. How many people have said the Broncos playing squad, generally speaking, have been overly pampered compared to players at most other clubs in the NRL?

And do we think Bellamy is less intense than Madge? Or is it that he has more runs on the board, so people run with it? Bellamy slays them in pre-season, makes them go and do labouring work when they arrive at the club, etc. Maybe he's just a better communicator and people person.