Captain's Challenge is a go in 2017 - 7th Tackle

[Captain Apollo]

Why not just let the commentators be the video refs.

It doesn't matter what system is in place they will bitch and moan about the decisions all game anyway

Exactly. It is those people who have lead us to this situation as they expect referees to be perfect in all respects at all times, which is the most ridiculous expectation to have as it is impossible to achieve.

 

[adamkungl]

Exactly. It is those people who have lead us to this situation as they expect referees to be perfect in all respects at all times, which is the most ridiculous expectation to have as it is impossible to achieve.

No. Blaming commentators and fans for inept leadership doesn't fly.

Leaders aren't forced by commentators to do anything.
Good leaders don't let the lunatics run the asylum, or blame them when it goes wrong.
Good leaders take criticism on board but don't let it dictate their response.

Plus, using Gus as an example, as I'm sure he is who most people think of when it comes to ref criticism - a key pillar of his views is that the video ref is overused and sliding worse every year. This has been consistent for at least the last decade. How can you blame him for this situation when this situation is exactly what he's campaigned against?

 

[T-Boon]

Exactly. It is those people who have lead us to this situation as they expect referees to be perfect in all respects at all times, which is the most ridiculous expectation to have as it is impossible to achieve.

Agreed, it is also that commentators find it very difficult to talk about the game for 80 minute as there are only so many ways to describe the general lack of play making in the game these days. They need to talk to justify their pay-packet but they just run out of things to say and they fall back on whinge about referee or rules.
The commentators could spend there time better explaining to the viewer the theory and techniques of wrestling.

 

[TheVelourFog]

Agreed, it is also that commentators find it very difficult to talk about the game for 80 minute as there are only so many ways to describe the general lack of play making in the game these days. They need to talk to justify their pay-packet but they just run out of things to say and they fall back on whinge about referee or rules.
The commentators could spend there time better explaining to the viewer the theory and techniques of wrestling.

I find myself disagreeing with just about everything you say

Are we married

 

[Danish]

Maybe, maybe not.

The question has to be asked, why were they bad decisions? I find in most cases with 'howler' video ref decisions, my issue is with the rulebook/latest monthly referee interpretations of the rulebook. The ball-kicking by Konrad Hurrell, as an example. Correct to the letter of the law but utterly ridiculous in practise.

Or they are legitimate 50/50 calls in which for every person outraged there's someone equally stubborn that it was correct, depending on who they were cheering.

Even if the rulebook was cleaned up (and it needs it badly) there would still be mistakes (Strips, obstructions and forward passes will forever be a grey area in Rugby League), and there would still be the issue of ever-increasing time wastage for diminishing returns. And this is the biggest advantage of the challenge idea.

I'd prefer they just remove video reviews entirely and focus on simplifying the rules. The entire video ref and bunker system is a complete waste of time

 

[bileduct]

Yeah I think it's a bit of a cop out to say that the commentators are to blame for all of this, even though it is annoying when they f**king harp on and on and on about referees like Voss and that idiot Alexander often do.

It's the NRL that brought in stupid rules like banning the shoulder charge and the clubs that exploit the rules by introducing grubby tactics like wrestling holds that have f**ked everything up. It's the constant encroachment of the video ref into other areas of the game that have pissed people off the most by having players laying down trying to milk penalties. There are plenty of inconsistencies around when the video ref is allowed to jump in and when they aren't.

The video ref should go back to just being called upon for tries and checking obvious things like 40/20s where touch judges can be out of position and unable to make a good call. f**k off all the other shit.

Having grown up watching Rugby League from the 70's onward I've learned to accept a referee missing the odd marginally forward pass and occasional high tackle. What pisses me off now is seeing a ball carrier run into the defensive line, turn his back to them at the last moment and drop to the ground and then get a penalty for a "crusher tackle" when some bloke comes down on top of him.

Unless it's immediately obvious that someone has been hit high save that shit for the Match Review Committee to decide whether or not foul play has occurred.

 

[T-Boon]

I find myself disagreeing with just about everything you say

Are we married

Haha, you would agree with me a lot more if you knew how right I am.

 

[T-Boon]

I do think people would feel a lot better about referees and decisions if they got rid of the kick for touch after a penalty and brought in weighted penalties. This has been said elsewhere on other threads by other people so it is not another one of my crazy ideas. I am yet to hear anybody disagree with it.

Essentially get rid of the kick for touch after a penalty. It is too much of a punishment for arbitrary, 50/50 penalties. With ruck penalties where the refs often have a hard time telling what has happened just advance the play by 20 metres (I would not even restart the tackle count).

For more obvious and serious penalties such as dangerous tackles advance the play 20 metres and restart the count.

If this was done it would be more left to the players to make plays and determine the outcome and would reduce the feeling fans have the refs decisions are deciding games.

 

[adamkungl]

Yeah I think it's a bit of a cop out to say that the commentators are to blame for all of this, even though it is annoying when they f**king harp on and on and on about referees like Voss and that idiot Alexander often do.

Oh don't get me wrong I don't like commentators harping on, it's annoying, detrimental to the game. But it isn't their fault that the NRL doesn't understand the sport of Rugby League

 

[siv]

U20s captains challenge slows the game to a grinding halt as the challenge everything in the last 5 min

Coaches challenge is the only way it can work

But I would prefer 2 in goal touch judges and 4 lines men who only patrol 50m

Then ONLY used the video referee for line events like foot out before he grounds the ball or did he ground the ball inside the line

And maybe obstruction

Everything else the on field officials can deal with

Foul play can be reviewed while play is in progress or player injured and dealt with immediately

 

[This Year?]

I am outraged. I can almost smell the KFC when a decision goes to the board.

 

[Snappy]

And we just saw a perfect example in the U20's Cows v Tigs, why this cant be implemented in the NRL

 

[Captain Apollo]

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[Vic Mackey]

And we just saw a perfect example in the U20's Cows v Tigs, why this cant be implemented in the NRL

Yeah that was a shocking call. Imagine if that happened in first grade, the media would have a field day

 

[PenrithPanther45]

Yeah that was a shocking call. Imagine if that happened in first grade, the media would have a field day

I guess the onus falls back on the Tigers for losing their chance but yeah that was a shocker

 

[Vic Mackey]

I guess the onus falls back on the Tigers for losing their chance but yeah that was a shocker

It's difficult though. The Tigers used their referral and the video showed that Karwan simultaneously put the ball down and had his hand on the sideline. Anyone would use it in that case. Fair enough though the touchie and refs got that right and well done to them.

Then 10 mins later a cowboy steps out twice and places the ball a foot outside the deal ball line and they rule a try. It wasn't even remotely close to being a try.

In this instance they really need an In goal touch judge or two referrals. One referral with no in goal touchie simply won't work, as seen last night.

 

[T-Boon]

They blew their referral on an earlier 50/50 guess. So thats just too bad.
The captains (coaches) challenge should be used when the captain (coach) is fairly certain.

 

[PenrithPanther45]

It's difficult though. The Tigers used their referral and the video showed that Karwan simultaneously put the ball down and had his hand on the sideline. Anyone would use it in that case. Fair enough though the touchie and refs got that right and well done to them.

Then 10 mins later a cowboy steps out twice and places the ball a foot outside the deal ball line and they rule a try. It wasn't even remotely close to being a try.

In this instance they really need an In goal touch judge or two referrals. One referral with no in goal touchie simply won't work, as seen last night.

yeah thats what i did think, you can lose it on 50/50 calls but i guess thats the nature of it and you need to be tactical about using it

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Bring back the in goal judge.

Coach's challenge won't work because the Patton, Klein and Sutton wouldn't have the stones to go against the likes of Bennett, Bellyache or Sticky but would probably treat a Nanger like McGregor or barrett differently.

 

[Chook Norris]

No matter what decision is made, fans won't be happy anyway. Too many different segments with too many different views to appease everyone.

The common theme among views expressed, however, is that the video referee needs to be used a whole lot less or even scrapped. So if the captains challenge moves a lot closer to that goal - is it all that bad ?

The other 'solution' is fixing the rule book and getting better referees; the first shouldn't be so difficult but the second is no easy fix