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Chairman faces wrath of grassroots

Skinner

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Blood will be spilt, no doubt.


From : http://stuff.co.nz/sundaystartimes/4287092a6444.html



Chalmers will challenge his colleagues to do better, writes Steve Kilgallon.

Angry Auckland clubs may force an extremely rare motion of no confidence in the NZRL board if directors fail to depose chairman Andrew Chalmers at a meeting next weekend.

Auckland's Conference of Clubs yesterday morning was reportedly awash with complaints from grassroots officials at the game's poor image, and most were blaming the national body.

ARL chairman Cameron McGregor said he had assured clubs "steps were in motion" to address the issue, alluding to a board revolt aimed at sacking Chalmers.

The Star-Times has learned that five of the eight directors have been engaged in conference calls to discuss the chairman's position. And if they do not vote to replace Chalmers with another director, Ray Haffenden, Auckland would then have a mandate to propose a motion of no confidence, which requires a two-thirds majority of district votes to be passed.

Chalmers, meanwhile, is home from the Kiwi tour and will ask his dissenting board if any of them believe they could do a better job, then tell them the NZRL faces another difficult financial year ahead.

The Star-Times understands the Kiwi tour will post record returns. However, while Chalmers admitted the league had budgeted to return a loss this year after dropping nearly $500,000 in 2006, he declined to give details of the final bottom line.

He plans to tell the board that 2008 will be a "transitional year" before new commercial deals hatched around the expanded Four Nations competition take effect in 2009.

The board meeting has been brought forward from December 7 to next Saturday, raising the delicious possibility of directors doing battle around the boardroom table in the morning before socialising in their dinner suits at that evening's annual NZRL awards night.

Chalmers has pledged to table a full financial report at that board meeting, and then release it to the game's other stakeholders not before time for some, with minutes of the October 12 Special Advisory Panel showing Auckland, Canterbury and Coastline all demanding those details nearly five weeks ago.

He told the Star-Times yesterday the Kiwi tour would return a "handsome profit ... based on the commercial agreements with our partners ... the profit will be significant".

He will face questions on what proportion of this year's loss will consist of fees to consultants for a rewrite of the constitution, the cost of a competitions review and leftover lawyers' fees from the Nathan Fien "grannygate" affair. The league lost $478,000 last year when the chairmanship was split between Sel Pearson, Selwyn Bennett and Chalmers.

Chalmers said the league was forced into greater prudency by the declining availability of poker machine funding a reason for axing the $1m-a-year Bartercard Cup. The 2006 accounts show an income of $2.61m from pokies and $2.338m in 2005 against $3.4m in 2004.

"It is a reflection of the changing landscape for sport in this country," he said, saying the league's programme had needed an "unsustainable level of funding".

"We are cutting our cloth to match," he said, "at the same time taking those properties which do contribute financially to maximise opportunities around them."

He said 2008 would be a tough year because revenues from the world cup would be going to the International Federation, not competing countries, and the Kiwis were being allowed just a single test outside that the annual game with Australia in June.
 

ozbash

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and the Kiwis were being allowed just a single test outside that the annual game with Australia in June.

and whose fault is that ?
 

Micistm

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Good! It's a start...although I hope RL people are not going to simply get rid of Chalmers and appoint a newie without looking at the whole system. It needs professionalism, and a total revamp towards that sort of set up. League could be massive, along the lines of the Winfield cup years pre the Super League BS, if handled properly.
It's still tragic IMO the Bartercard cup was disbanded, not expanded! Appalling management and marketing totally ****ed what could have been fantastic.
I won't be happy until there are some business brains at the top. The Mad Butcher would be fantastic, with his marketing nouse and love of the game I'm sure he would be welcome with open arms. I know the guy is focussing on his family, but his input into who to select would be interesting.
 
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Micistm said:
Good! It's a start...although I hope RL people are not going to simply get rid of Chalmers and appoint a newie without looking at the whole system. It needs professionalism, and a total revamp towards that sort of set up. League could be massive, along the lines of the Winfield cup years pre the Super League BS, if handled properly.
It's still tragic IMO the Bartercard cup was disbanded, not expanded! Appalling management and marketing totally ****ed what could have been fantastic.
I won't be happy until there are some business brains at the top. The Mad Butcher would be fantastic, with his marketing nouse and love of the game I'm sure he would be welcome with open arms. I know the guy is focussing on his family, but his input into who to select would be interesting.

The MAD Butcher is an absolute passionate and you dont sell that many sausages without having some charisma, drive and nouse. Id have to appoint an assistant with him however - somebody who would take his nouse and deliver the details further on it.
 

kiwileaguefan

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ozbash said:
and the Kiwis were being allowed just a single test outside that the annual game with Australia in June.

and whose fault is that ?

Im sure a Test match against Fiji or Tonga (both having all their NRL players) in Canterbury or Palmerston North would get 10,000 people then you have television rights etc etc

But no we will just wait for Asutralia or England for a match:sarcasm:
 

Sam_the_man

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Chalmers is a fool who is intent on sending the NZRL broke. All he cares about is seeing his own name in print.
 

MKEB...

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kiwileaguefan said:
Im sure a Test match against Fiji or Tonga (both having all their NRL players) in Canterbury or Palmerston North would get 10,000 people then you have television rights etc etc

But no we will just wait for Asutralia or England for a match:sarcasm:

I for one would go to a match like that in Palmy.

The problems with sackings en-masse, and appointing a whole new executive over Chalmers and his spend-thrift-cronies presents a whole new catch-22.

To have a completely new business and exec model, will mean huge salaries for professional execs down. These guys have the know how and it will come at a price. Why in their right mind would a new unit take what is likely to be huge pay cuts for a sport that cant wait to shoot itself in the foot. And where is the money going to come from to fund these changes.

And the horrible thing is that we know it really does need a change. A correct and auditable business with real business nous.

I agree whole heartedly that things have got to change. But how are we going to afford it with record losses of dollars?
 
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kiwileaguefan said:
Im sure a Test match against Fiji or Tonga (both having all their NRL players) in Canterbury or Palmerston North would get 10,000 people then you have television rights etc etc

But no we will just wait for Asutralia or England for a match:sarcasm:

Which NRL clubs do you see releasing players from the comp for a week to play a game v Fiji ?
 

ozbash

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Which NRL clubs do you see releasing players from the comp for a week to play a game v Fiji ?

they have way too much authority over the international game.

I'd bet a few countries would give their leftie for a decent warm-up game or 3,,,, especially the kiwis.
 

Sam_the_man

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The same international league rules that saw NZ docked two points from the 06 tri nations also clearly states that club players must be released for international matches. So the ARL and RFL both enforced the rule 3.1 of the international constitution to deduct two comp points in 06 therefor they'll also enforce rule 3.2 which covers international league.
 

Micistm

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Sam_the_man said:
The same international league rules that saw NZ docked two points from the 06 tri nations also clearly states that club players must be released for international matches. So the ARL and RFL both enforced the rule 3.1 of the international constitution to deduct two comp points in 06 therefor they'll also enforce rule 3.2 which covers international league.
Yes, fair point in theory...can anyone see a new Tui advert emerging? Yeah right.:lol:
 
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ozbash said:
Which NRL clubs do you see releasing players from the comp for a week to play a game v Fiji ?

they have way too much authority over the international game.

I'd bet a few countries would give their leftie for a decent warm-up game or 3,,,, especially the kiwis.

Can't disagree with any of that

The idea of playing the Fjii, Tonga, PNG teams around NZ sounds great in theory, but i couldn't really see it working too much. We would probably end up losing money on the venture, i really think you would struggle in the main centres to draw more than 5-6,000 to the game, may work a wee bit better in the smaller centres though.

On top of that, regardless of the results of the match, the Kiwis couldn't win with the sporting public on those games, it would be 1 of those cases i hear all to often in NZ "We should have beaten them by that much" after a big win, "Should have won by more" after a 14-30 point win, or "They are crap" with a tight win. Some of that sort of attitdue was seen after the game v the Frogs, and will be seen very soon when the Bangladesh cricket side tour
 

Micistm

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This is where marketing smarts should kick in, Clubs permitting releasing players of course. Why not a Kiwis vs Samoa...a hyped grudge match between a current crop and some players who could well be playing for NZ? Hype it up, and keep the price reasonable, with special attention on family deals (with stuff for the kiddies) and you'd see a much better result of bums on seats.
First rule of course: Let people know it's on, and let people know where it's at, and how much it is. It's a rule that would have seen Bartercard doing better
 

kiwileaguefan

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Beavers Headgear said:
Which NRL clubs do you see releasing players from the comp for a week to play a game v Fiji ?

Could be end of the season, what we need is the NRL and RFL to sign some doucment saying that during the International period all clubs must release their players (same as FIFA).

Then say for two weeks during the season we have an International week, and after the grand final for 4 weeks we have an International month.

Let nations sort out who they want to play and TV rights etc etc with only 10% of the profits going to the RLIF to help development of other nations.

Then lets say NZ vs Samoa with all tickets $10 each, get 10,000 to the game and get $100,000 back from gate sales. Then sell the match to Sky TV, Maori Tv, Samoan TV (who bought the rights for all of Samoas matches this year) and im sure Sky UK and Fox Sports would be interested. Then you got the chance to sell jumpers and flags to add a little bit more money.

Then two weeks out from the match get Nigel Vagana out there talking the match up to get more publicity out of it.

Start small then lets look at getting more people..
 

ozbash

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think its still in the 'proposal' stage Sam, they'l get there though,,,,, one day.
 

Micistm

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The Kiwi origin game is an idea pencilled in for next year isn't it? That's my understanding- Which is why a Bartercard season should have been kept on- And hyped up as players are selected for Rep stuff.
IMO some on here have better ideas to throw in the pot and debate around than the NZRL seem to. And that is concerning. It's not complex- just get a few ideas, work through them, then market and advertise properly! Don't just expect people to look for them by themselves!!!!
As for Clubs releasing players at season end- Nice if it happened, but how many players would suddenly require 'urgent surgery' at the end of the season? There's their loophole.
 
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Yep, Matai has defo has his, was at the Brookvale Forever Rally last week with his arm in a sling, has said he will be fit for round 1. Benji had his op during the finals and i saw him walking round in a sling, I don't think SBW needed surgery at all for his fracture

From what i understand of next years format for legaue in NZ, i quite like it. I was initially dead against the BC being punted, because outside of Auckland players would have nothing to strive for. But reading what is being mooted for next year seems quite good. Start the year off with club footy, and the influx of all BC players into the club scene will raise that level significantly. After that point we move into the rep season, with 3 levels which will run for 7 weeks, players in club footy will be busting their arse to make their particular side, and we get back the traditional matches such as Canterbury v Auckland, Auckland v Wellington etc. And at the end of the season we get this Kiwi Roots game to act as a kiwi trial. I am a big fan of this structure and will be interested to see how it goes
 

Jesbass

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Micistm said:
The Kiwi origin game is an idea pencilled in for next year isn't it? That's my understanding- Which is why a Bartercard season should have been kept on- And hyped up as players are selected for Rep stuff.
IMO some on here have better ideas to throw in the pot and debate around than the NZRL seem to. And that is concerning. It's not complex- just get a few ideas, work through them, then market and advertise properly! Don't just expect people to look for them by themselves!!!!
As for Clubs releasing players at season end- Nice if it happened, but how many players would suddenly require 'urgent surgery' at the end of the season? There's their loophole.

There's actually a law in the RLIF that clubs have to release their players - it just doesn't get enforced. As for the injured players, the answer is simple - a neutral, RLIF-employed doctor inspects every selected player who is 'ruled out' for post-season surgery and assesses whether or not the club's claims are legitimate. If they aren't, (i.e. the doctor believes they are fit to play), the player is released for the match.
 

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