Channel 9 wants to kill of a sydney club

[gerg]

It's just so strange that everyone can see the obvious solution - expand to 18 with Perth and Brisbane2 - except for Nine and the ARLC.

There are plenty of young players wanting to step up. People point to how weak the Titans are as an example of the depth not being there, but the reason that the Titans suck is because it attracts players who are more interested in getting on the tiles after the game than digging in and playing good footy.

The depth is already there. Every year half a dozen blokes get found in reserves - guys like Rueben Garrick and Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad - and step up when presented with the opportunity. Yes, there will probably be a few lean years whilst they're getting into gear, but that's not a reason to not pull the trigger.

And get the league onto Seven or Ten. Nine is an absolute cancer on the sport.

They could give clubs incentives to develop juniors if they claim there isn't enough talent. I appreciate it's pretty cutting edge stuff so I can understand why the NRL hasn't thought of it.

 

[adamkungl]

This is true for sure.

The game may not completely lose me if the Raiders got the chop, I'd still check out games when I'm at the pub and whatnot, but my financial interest would decrease to nil.

I know plenty of old Balmain and Norths fans who will still casually follow the game, watch if its on, but their passion for the code has fallen dramatically.

Ultimately this argument is fairly irrelevant because the NRL wouldn't nor should they forcibly chop anyone. The negativity spreads far beyond the one fanbase and the game needs positivity to keep growing.

Hypothetically though, lets say your team is in a city with 8 other top grade clubs and is one of the smaller ones. The real debate is this:
If the NRL offers your club the choice to move to Adelaide.
The club would have a whole city to yourself but obviously alienate a portion of the existing fanbase.
You would be given by the NRL significant financial advantages that would position you competitively with the Broncos and Storms of the world.
You are offered blue chip sponsorships by national and international companies as well as the South Australian government.
Should the NRL offer it, and Should your club take it?


Side note,
It would be good, and take some of the sting out of inevitable changes in the top grade, if the NRL and NSWRL promoted and supported NSW Cup as a worthwhile comp rather than a reserve grade afterthought. For whatever reason, fans place little value in it.

There's no reason why all these passionate Bears fans can't get out to North Sydney oval every 2 weeks to support their club.

 

[Quicksilver]

I’d only see value in supporting my club at NSW cup level if there was a promotion/relegation system in place.

 

[STORM.99/07]

This really re-enforces the fact that the NRL needs to get the f**k away from Channel 9 as soon as possible.

The way they think that they own the sport and can dictate terms is shocking. They used to pull the same shit with cricket, thankfully CA had the guts to roll the dice with a new broadcaster - and last summers test coverage was a breath of fresh air.

Channel 7 embrace the AFL and you very rarely hear negative stories. Why can`t NRL go with 7.

 

[Tiger5150]

5 of top 8 is the norm for last few years at least. That is 62% of clubs in top 8 are from Sydney. Overall 56.2% of clubs in the NRL are from Sydney. Ergo Sydney clubs are punching slightly above their weight in making the finals.

So your answer is YES, the Sydney clubs are thriving and in fact going better exceeding the statistic median. This raises the empirical FACT that the non Sydney clubs are falling behind the Sydney Clubs. When you factor in that two of the non Sydney Clubs and notably non QLD clubs, Melb & Canberra, are both in the top 4, then the unarguable fact is that the QLD clubs are not thriving and in fact are struggling compared to the Sydney Clubs. Do we need less QLD teams?

If we factor in the variables to this result such as access to Jnrs, size of LC funding , lack of travel compared to others etc there is an argument that you would expect a biased result such as this.

Woah, woah, woah, hold up. Why the hell are we having this conversation again? Are you seriously suggesting that the reason Sydney Clubs are "punching above their weight" is due to inherent advantages Sydney Clubs have over non Sydney Clubs? Isnt the whole argument that there are too many Sydney Clubs because having too many dilutes finite resources like Juniors, Sponsors, Crowds, Members etc? Am I wrong. Why exactly are we suggesting to get rid of a Sydney Club?

 

[STORM.99/07]

Tom Malone was quoted in the Herald today saying he was disappointed that "emotion" was injected into his proposal (specifically in response to Scott Morrison's comments about potentially axing the Sharks). I mean, really?! WTF is this guy on? If people didn't feel emotionally invested, they would not follow a team, nor the game, hence they would never watch it in the first place. This guy comes across as a complete moron.

tom Malone is a deadset moron. What fan of a team isn`t invested in their team. I was invested 100%in Fitzroy til the NRL merged them with Brisbane. I don`t really believe in mergers cos one team will always be swallowed up by the other team.I have an idea NRL..... LEAVE OUR TEAMS ALONE and invest in them instead of running them out of the competition. Fans of the team merged,relocated or whatever will leave the game in droves .I know lots of Fitzroy supporters who are Storm members since 98/99

 

[STORM.99/07]

If the NRL disregards my 40 years as a supporter of my team, the huge amounts of $ I have injected into the game, the voluntary hours I have spent supporting the game and the love I have for the game why would I continue to support the NRL? They will have made it clear that they don't want my support .

The afl didn`t care about Fitzroy when they merged them with an interstate team Brisbane.

 

[STORM.99/07]

Well it will lose me if the Sharks ever got terminated.

AFL lost me when my team got shafted.I don`t even take a glancing interest in it now and I used to be fanatical about my team.

 

[GreenMachine121]

Add a Perth and Brisbane / central coast team
Easy ...
killing off anytime is going to alienate their fans and possibly lose them to other sports
As much as I dislike some teams I’d never want them to get punted ... the rivalry between teams is always immense
Souths vs easts
Parra vs manly
Saints vs Cronulla
Etc etc etc

How Malone even has a say in what team is axed is mind boggling ... f**king idiot

 

[greenBV4]

I’d only see value in supporting my club at NSW cup level if there was a promotion/relegation system in place.

This gave me a though that I might decide later wouldn't work but for now:

What if instead of licenses being granted to clubs they were granted to cities or states, for an 18 team example:

The Expansion Markets without a State League:
Canberra
Melbourne
Perth
Adelaide
Auckland
Wellington/South Island

Heartland Markets
8x NSW
4x QLD

(For 16 teams I'd drop either 2 NSW teams, or 1 NSW team and either Wellington or Adelaide)

The 12 teams from NSW and QLD could be selected from each respective state comp, with the GF winning team from each state cup playing the lowest ranked team from the state in the NRL in a P&R match (which if played maybe the Friday or Saturday before the GF at ANZ and Suncorp should get quite a bit of interest an a decent crowd)

Down the track if any of the other states ever get a proper state league or affiliates league up and running then they will also go into a p&r pool

It's basically a hybrid p&r system that
- Adds interest to the state comps
- Add a bit of difference to the comp every year
- Helps reconcile Sydney, while also having the potential for new NSW teams such as CC
- Dropped Sydney teams should still be able to retain their fans with hope of promotion
- Allows for a 2nd Brisbane team
- Allows Strategic expansion markets to stay safe
- TV broadcasters maintain same level of national spread regardless of p&r
- TV broadcasters get the air the 2 p&r games which should rate well and attract crowds
- Also adds more value to broadcasting some 2nd division games

To start it off I'd have the relegation year to decide what teams go down to make way for the expansion sides, then the following year the dropped teams from NSW will have their chance to make it back in

 

[beave]

Channel 7 embrace the AFL and you very rarely hear negative stories. Why can`t NRL go with 7.

7 can’t afford both RL and AFL. Which is a shame because i think they’d do a damn good job if they had RL.

 

[T-Boon]

I’d only see value in supporting my club at NSW cup level if there was a promotion/relegation system in place.

What about if there was an FA cup style knock out comp.

 

[carcharias]

What about if there was an FA cup style knock out comp.

The NRL teams wouldn’t let their best players play.

 

[Brutus]

Add a Perth and Brisbane / central coast team
Easy ...
killing off anytime is going to alienate their fans and possibly lose them to other sports
As much as I dislike some teams I’d never want them to get punted ... the rivalry between teams is always immense
Souths vs easts
Parra vs manly
Saints vs Cronulla
Etc etc etc

How Malone even has a say in what team is axed is mind boggling ... f**king idiot

Channel 9 is a total disgrace and it was said TAB radio this morning that Nine's preference is to cut back to 14 teams.

Well of course they'd want less teams, because they dont show all the games.

Fox Sports would think the opposite to Ch 9 and would want more games not less.

It's a joke that we are even talking about this around finals time, but that's our media for you.

You kill a club then 95 percent of their fans say f**k YOU to rugby league and our sport shrinks as result.

Go f**k yourself 9 you scum.

 

[STORM.99/07]

Instead of channel 9 and media embracing this time of the year they are death riding it. Finals time should be the main focus of NRL and TV media.

 

[BadnMean]

It’s amazing how afl has managed to take over these RL fans with just two clubs for the whole city yet the argument seems to be nrl needs nine to hold them? They must be doing something the nrl isn’t?

I'm a PE teacher. The AFL are all over schools & grassroots across NSW & ACT offering free gear (gold to a public school), lesson plans & AFL coaching clinics/programs/visits (makes it easier & more attractive to do more AFL in your PE program) etc. Never seen a brass razoo or so much as a school liaison officer or anything from an NRL team.

The AFL have an actual plan to grow their game & gets kids into it. The NRL don't give a crap if it's not on TV or in the courts apparently.

 

[GreenMachine121]

Who cares how professional they are if f**k all people support them?

Really, other then their 50 odd thousand supporters that barely ever show up anyway, who gives a rats. Move them or spear them. Either way they have to go. Every other team has good to massive support from fans, bar maybe Manly, but they are a strategic(north of the harbour) club. So they need to stay, but I would make conditions on them to stay or they too would be on the move or chop, chop board of grand plans. But those details are for another day.

Come on V'landys, Do it mate and shock us clear thinking fans that know, when push comes to shove, the only team that they will have the balls to move or cut will be the soft but strategically stupid option, Titans. There will be great debate and wringing of hands but sweet f**k all will happen at the end of it or like I already said, goodnight GCT.

Roosters are safe as Souths , parra , dogs , saints and tigers
Won’t happen

 

[BadnMean]

This gave me a though that I might decide later wouldn't work but for now:

What if instead of licenses being granted to clubs they were granted to cities or states, for an 18 team example:

The Expansion Markets without a State League:
Canberra
Melbourne
Perth
Adelaide
Auckland
Wellington/South Island

Heartland Markets
8x NSW
4x QLD

(For 16 teams I'd drop 1 NSW team and either Wellington or Adelaide)

The 12 teams from NSW and QLD could be selected from each respective state comp, with the GF winning team from each state cup playing the lowest ranked team from the state in the NRL in a P&R match (which if played maybe the Friday or Saturday before the GF at ANZ and Suncorp should get quite a bit of interest an a decent crowd)

Down the track if any of the other states ever get a proper state league or affiliates league up and running then they will also go into a p&r pool

It's basically a hybrid p&r system that
- Adds interest to the state comps
- Add a bit of difference to the comp every year
- Helps reconcile Sydney
- Dropped Sydney teams should still retain their fans with hope of promotion
- Allows for a 2nd Brisbane team
- Allows Strategic expansion markets to stay safe
- TV broadcasters maintain same level of national spread regardless of p&r

The first year wouldn't have p&r and the teams that don't make the cut would just be dropped to the state league

With the way the ARLC is structured... you're asking the majority stakeholders (NSW + Qld clubs + NSW + QLD= 15) to vote in FAVOUR of a system whereby they invite the risk of no longer playing NRL (potentially ever, if the shiz hits the fan) and to hand the commercial advantage they currently hold over smaller city teams straight back by making thr smaller city teams the reliable, never gonna get relegated golden boys of the NRL (sure fire sponsorship) who can ride out a few bad seasons whereas Broncs & Rorters are only ever one bad year & a couple of key injuries/player scandals away from the chop... They wouldn't go for it- let alone GC & Saints & Knights etc

You'd need to be quite the salesman /politician to get them to agree to that.

 

[Diesel]

Tom Malone was quoted in the Herald today saying he was disappointed that "emotion" was injected into his proposal (specifically in response to Scott Morrison's comments about potentially axing the Sharks). I mean, really?! WTF is this guy on? If people didn't feel emotionally invested, they would not follow a team, nor the game, hence they would never watch it in the first place. This guy comes across as a complete moron.

How would Tom feel if we cut his AFL team. Clearly he’s not a NRL supporter

 

[adamkungl]

Who cares how professional they are if f**k all people support them?

Really, other then their 50 odd thousand supporters that barely ever show up anyway, who gives a rats. Move them or spear them. Either way they have to go. Every other team has good to massive support from fans, bar maybe Manly

Why doesn't anyone show up to watch these other massive clubs?
We get moved to a worse stadium and Parra to a better one and they only just manage to beat us.
We're obviously the biggest club in Sydney!