Chokers

[Pete Cash]

You guys do need size. BJ is about as big as most of your forwards but what you really need is a defense that works. Against us some blokes were sliding, some blokes were rushing up. That is coaching and a lack of faith in the bloke next to you to make the tackle. Moses run up like a lunatic when he saw he was one on one with Papalii and took literally the wrong line both times. He would struggle to stop Papalii one on one if he got him face on but he ended up on Papaliis outside both times.

Also on the first Croker try the line opened up so much Hodgson probably could have just walked in and he remembered that for later on when he actually did that.

So yeah beef your side up but the defensive coaching has to do better. Just my opinion and all.

EDIT

Also I am not here to cause trouble but the Raiders spine is better than what the Tigers trotted out on sunday. Hodgson alone would make a massive difference.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

You guys do need size. BJ is about as big as most of your forwards but what you really need is a defense that works. Against us some blokes were sliding, some blokes were rushing up. That is coaching and a lack of faith in the bloke next to you to make the tackle. Moses run up like a lunatic when he saw he was one on one with Papalii and took literally the wrong line both times. He would struggle to stop Papalii one on one if he got him face on but he ended up on Papaliis outside both times.

Also on the first Croker try the line opened up so much Hodgson probably could have just walked in and he remembered that for later on when he actually did that.

So yeah beef your side up but the defensive coaching has to do better. Just my opinion and all.

EDIT

Also I am not here to cause trouble but the Raiders spine is better than what the Tigers trotted out on sunday. Hodgson alone would make a massive difference.

That's the thing though Pete. Jason Taylor has been claiming that he's focused on improving our defence since the day he walked in. Two seasons, and over 50 games later including pre season games, nothing has improved. Nothing. Canberra in particular have exposed this, and next year, Taylor has got exactly what he wanted, the players he wants and Farah gone.

There's nowhere left for him to shift the blame, and hurrah for it finally being the case. We have a situation where his contract expires at the end of 2017, and by then, we will know if he's improved things at last. We will no longer be paying players at other clubs, and the clean slate will finally arrive.

 

[Old Time Tiger]

Yes, Clifferd, Hasler has stood by him for so long and he comes out once in a blue moon and everyone goes WOW and remembers what he is capable of. I couldn't see him playing the role the Tigers need, week in and week out.

We need the egg thrower from up north, gee we could all put in and pay him that way.

 

[Tiger05]

Pete makes some good points. I don't think it's just the Raiders size that killed us. I think it was dumb footy in defence and then we also threw the ball away.

The Raiders are a good team though.

Taylor said all sorts of crap regarding defence. He just made it up.

 

[bjm8]

2004 hurt the most for me... dud video ref decision against us to lose 24-20 at Brisbane, lost to Cows at home, then embarrassed against Newcastle. Maybe after that I've become used to the disappointment.
2005 we had a go at it to losing to Melbourne away (tough trip) then getting smacked by Penrith in Rd26. At least we were entrenched in the top 4 and couldn't go backwards.

 

[Hawkins]

I was a fan in the early 2000's and especially the year 2000. I forgot that stat

 

[macnaz]

Would anyone say the Warriors are smaller than the Raiders ?
Yet we beat them twice , so the big boys shit doesnt wash. We had the Raiders on a very hot day at a packed home ground , ball control and possession behind crowd support was the key to wearing them down.
We lost our shit from the kick off and it never got much better.

 

[madunit]

You guys do need size. BJ is about as big as most of your forwards but what you really need is a defense that works. Against us some blokes were sliding, some blokes were rushing up. That is coaching and a lack of faith in the bloke next to you to make the tackle. Moses run up like a lunatic when he saw he was one on one with Papalii and took literally the wrong line both times. He would struggle to stop Papalii one on one if he got him face on but he ended up on Papaliis outside both times.

Also on the first Croker try the line opened up so much Hodgson probably could have just walked in and he remembered that for later on when he actually did that.

So yeah beef your side up but the defensive coaching has to do better. Just my opinion and all.

EDIT

Also I am not here to cause trouble but the Raiders spine is better than what the Tigers trotted out on sunday. Hodgson alone would make a massive difference.

The defence issue on the right side has been in existence since last year. Moses knows he can't go one on one with anyone, so he charges up and tries to effect a tackle as the man he's marking is about to get the ball. Then Naiqama next to him will run and in at the gap between the fourth and third men in from the sideline.

Nofaluma is then left to cover a huge gap, so he stays back and hopes the cover defence arrives in time, which it usually doesn't.

I'd probably say that Moses is the better defender of him and Naiqama, because he is at least effecting a tackle and forcing a second phase play. We have such slow lateral moving backrowers, that such a defensive f**k up like this, which happened near every game, cannot be covered.

And Mr Defensce Coach has not made any changes to how that functions in his whole time there. That is what's most baffling.

 

[madunit]

Would anyone say the Warriors are smaller than the Raiders ?
Yet we beat them twice , so the big boys shit doesnt wash. We had the Raiders on a very hot day at a packed home ground , ball control and possession behind crowd support was the key to wearing them down.
We lost our shit from the kick off and it never got much better.

Moses played shit. Dropped the pill 4 times, missed 7 tackles.

It's hard to win when one of your halves plays so shit

 

[Tiger05]

Moses played shit. Dropped the pill 4 times, missed 7 tackles.

It's hard to win when one of your halves plays so shit

He was crap but he also looked like the player most likely to do something.

 

[madunit]

He was crap but he also looked like the player most likely to do something.

but didn't.

But let's excuse his shit because he tried good.

That's the same attitude that has kept Rankin and Naiqama in the side all year, despite being more of a hinderance than asset.

 

[macnaz]

Moses missed 7 and not even attempted at least another 7.

 

[Tiger05]

but didn't.

But let's excuse his shit because he tried good.

That's the same attitude that has kept Rankin and Naiqama in the side all year, despite being more of a hinderance than asset.

I disagree. I think the two players most likely in our team are Moses and Brooks. Naiqama is a gun as well. Naiqama is the exact player that you need to win a comp. He is really good but he wouldn't cost a fortune.

Rankin is actually really good for a sub player but we need a lot better on the wing.

Moses in my opinion had a breakout year. He proved he can lead us going forward. He might end up as good as Tedesco.

 

[madunit]

What a load of shit.

Leilua is the sort of centre you need to win a GF

 

[Tiger05]

What a load of shit.

Leilua is the sort of centre you need to win a GF

I think you're wrong. We won a comp with Whaturia and Elford. Naiqama is good enough.

 

[madunit]

I think you're wrong. We won a comp with Whaturia and Elford. Naiqama is good enough.

A pair of strong line runners and brilliant defenders.

Thanks for helping me prove you wrong.

 

[Tiger05]

A pair of strong line runners and brilliant defenders.

Thanks for helping me prove you wrong.

They definitely weren't that. I think Kev is better than both of them. Defensively Kev has been caught out but I'm not sure it's all his fault.

 

[madunit]

They were that. Like Ayshford but better defenders. They lacked genuine speed and evasiveness, so they relied on a power game. Straight line running. Both were good defenders, much better than Naiqama.

Kev is a better attacker than them both, but defensively he is exceptionally worse, so much so that it makes him worse than them.

Kev's defensive issues are nearly all his fault.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

They definitely weren't that. I think Kev is better than both of them. Defensively Kev has been caught out but I'm not sure it's all his fault.

Not his fault? I don't see anyone else rushing up out of the line.

 

[Tiger05]

Not his fault? I don't see anyone else rushing up out of the line.

That's funny. You don't see Moses completely missing people. Nofo being all over the place or Aloia strolling over to see if everything is okay after the play is over.