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Closing the gap between 1st and 2nd teir nations

Sinman

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The gulf in international rugby league won't widen despite Wayne Bennett bypassing Papua New Guinea to coach England, Tonga mentor Kristian Woolf says.
Probably because it is already wide enough.
Woolf applauded Bennett's two-year deal as England coach but admitted it would have been an "immense help" to the profile of Pacific Island nations if the master mentor had taken up the PNG reins.
However, Woolf conceded it would take more than Bennett's Midas touch to bridge the gap between the big three - Australia, New Zealand and England - and developing nations.
"I don't think the gulf will get wider - it is already pretty wide," Woolf told AAP.
"Wayne Bennett coaching a Pacific Island nation would be an immense help - it would be outstanding.
"But there are other things that developing nations need help with rather than the coaching staff.
"More regular games and rules around eligibility, funding - those are the pressing issues for Tonga.
"But I believe it is a gap that can be closed pretty quickly with a bit of tinkering."
Kangaroos veteran Sam Thaiday planted the seed this week when he admitted he would rather see Bennett coach a Pacific Island nation after he had been linked to the PNG role before confirming his England gig.
Thaiday believed the move would raise the profile of not only the second-tier nation but the international game itself.
Woolf agreed, but said tweaking eligibility rules was a higher priority for Tonga.
Woolf will be without two of his standouts - the Sydney Roosters' Sio Siua Taukeiaho and Warriors utility Tui Lolohea - for May's Pacific Test at Parramatta after the pair had played in New Zealand's 2015 England tour.
Under current rules, the pair won't be able to play for Tonga again until after the 2017 World Cup - even if they are not selected for New Zealand during that period.
Woolf reckoned second-tier nations would only start bridging the gap if the rules were more flexible.
He said, ideally, if players from second-tier nations weren't picked for Australia or New Zealand, they should be allowed to play for their country of heritage.
"A good example is Sio Siua Taukeiaho and Tui Lolohea who have been outstanding for us," Woolf said.
"But they got a chance to play for NZ.
"I don't hold it against them but, the way the rules stand, they can't play for Tonga again for the next two years.
"Now if they are not picked for New Zealand, they are not playing international footy which is where I think the problem is.
"That's where the gap does get bigger."
As a result, Woolf will field a "new look" Tonga team at the Pacific Island double-header at Parramatta on May 7 which will also feature Samoa, Fiji and PNG.

What do people think? What needs to be done in order to close the gap between the top 3 and the rest? I think he makes some good points and seemingly if you can 1. Get more games happening and 2. Close the gap between 1st and 2nd tier nations then it goes a long way...

Personally it disappoints me that Samoa came so close to a couple of upsets in the last 4 nations and now we hear almost nothing from them since..
 

Burns

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With a few bounces of the ball Samoa could have been in the 2014 Four Nations final. It's an absolute travesty that they have played (one?) game since then.

I think the international game still needs England to win something against Australia/major tournament before the 'gulf' can begin to be addressed. If France and PNG could sort out things internally (they seem to have issues?), I feel we'll have a competitive 'Six Nations' - With Wales not far behind.
 

Knownothing

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Every emerging nation has different needs. The strengths and weaknesses of each of then needs to be analysed, and specialist resources supplied to work on the weakness (might be specific skills, strength and conditioning regimes and/or equipment, or coaching, for example).

A regular match schedule is such an obvious requirement that it does not need to be stated. How can a serious international sport not have a match schedule?
 

adamkungl

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Playing more games would go a long way.

Every ranked team should be playing 4-5 games a year.
 

siv

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Regular games is a must

I still beleive we need designayed weekends

I proposed 2 fortnights during SOO

Where a 4 team Euro Cup can be played

And a 4 team Pacific Cup

ME/Africa, Asia and Americas Cup qualifier winner

Winners join Australia, NZ and England in a 6 nation Conferations Cup

Then from 3rd week Oct to Nov a Tier 2 Euro 6 Nations

And a Tier 2 Pacific 6 Nations
 

hutch

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Woolf reckoned second-tier nations would only start bridging the gap if the rules were more flexible.
He said, ideally, if players from second-tier nations weren't picked for Australia or New Zealand, they should be allowed to play for their country of heritage

I couldn't disagree with this more. If they are not committed to the nation, they shouldn't be able to just get a game every time they miss out on their first choice. This achieves nothing, the rules should be tightened to make it harder to switch. If we had of tightened the rules 10-15 years ago these nations would have large pools of players available only to them by now.
 

miguel de cervantes

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It all comes down to two things:

(a) professionalise (--> NRL/ESL) more players for each 2nd tier nation, notably France and PNG
(b) more international games for the 2nd tier nations - against each other or 1st tier
 

Last Week

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It's already shortening. Italy have beaten England recently and Samoa put in a good performance against England aswell. In fact, PNG have put up good performances against England too. Hmmm, I'm noticing a trend here.
 

roughyedspud

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It's already shortening. Italy have beaten England recently and Samoa put in a good performance against England aswell. In fact, PNG have put up good performances against England too. Hmmm, I'm noticing a trend here.


Like how you pick out england....remind me what the nz v samoa score was?
 

deal.with.it

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As much as spud's reply is pathetic, the "Italy" team sure wasn't actually Italy. Laughable. No wonder the Euro Champs doesn't have a title sponsor.
The fact is rugby league isn't developing well (by either body) in italy.
 

jim_57

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allowing players to be eligible for a 2nd tier nation & origin....plain & simple

This is a big one for me, I see no issue of a players who has lived in QLD or NSW 10+ years or before the age of 12 being eligible for Origin and choosing a nation other than Australia if they are eligible.

This would mostly benifit smaller Island nations who honestly are probably always going to rely strongly on "heritage" players due to population/economy etc.

Other big one for me is junior structures, getting a complex structure in place that the best players from around the world have their chance to showcase their talent and get snapped up by professional clubs.
 

deluded pom?

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With a few bounces of the ball Samoa could have been in the 2014 Four Nations final. It's an absolute travesty that they have played (one?) game since then.

I think the international game still needs England to win something against Australia/major tournament before the 'gulf' can begin to be addressed. If France and PNG could sort out things internally (they seem to have issues?), I feel we'll have a competitive 'Six Nations' - With Wales not far behind.

Wales are light years behind the big three.
 

adamkungl

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I couldn't disagree with this more. If they are not committed to the nation, they shouldn't be able to just get a game every time they miss out on their first choice. This achieves nothing, the rules should be tightened to make it harder to switch. If we had of tightened the rules 10-15 years ago these nations would have large pools of players available only to them by now.

I think the current 'once every four years' rule makes sense.

Most Pacific Island eligible players are also eligible for Aus or NZ via birth or residency rule.
If they are 1 nation for life most will skip playing for the smaller nation if they believe they have a realistic shot of playing for Aus.
 

Billythekid

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It depends on the nation but few are likely to actually be able to compete. I think strengthening the ESL is a must, a competitive England is super important for international league IMO. That plus hopefully it helps France finally kick on and actually get a little closer to the top nations. I think PNG is the next likely nation to catch up, we need to get a lot more PNG players into both the ESL and NRL.

Overall though we just need them playing more games. We won't see any of the smaller nations seeig the improvement we want without more regular games.
 

deal.with.it

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The answer is definitely not allowing nation swapping.

1. More matches
2. NGBs to only choose players commited to the cause, not best available
3. Proper domestic development
4. Player pathways
5. Under 18 tournaments every year, unearth talent, sign to profession clubs, boost their national team
 

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