Coaching....

[Ausguy]

Right... im trying to stay calm. Im not 100% sure what this thread will consist of and maybe i should say less to say more but we will see.

This thread is mainly because i dont understand what Flanno and the players work on during the week as i see no improvment and no creativity whatsoever...

Now im NOT a Rugby League coach... However i am a coach of another sport and have gone though all the coaching jibber jabber to become registered and qualified.

In saying that... 1 of the most important aspects to becoming an effective coach is the ability to get those you are coaching to know what the plan is for their success. An example would be, fairly assessing their current ability and then breaking down area's for improvement whilst communicating all the time with the person who the coaching is assisting.

In a nutshell.... have a plan, execute the plan, evaluate the outcomes and make changes.

Now why am i waffling on?

Well throughout this year ive jokingly said that i could do a better job (so has Popper and others) and sure i said it tongue in cheek but now im actually serious. I think i could coach these players and get an imprved outcome, cos lets face it, it could hardly be worse really.

So, by now you are saying AG, you are full of shit and couldnt do what flanno does any better.... well unfortunately i will never get my chance so no one will ever know. All i can do is list some things below and you can agree to disagree... but i would much prefer that you guys add your thoughts on what you would do if you were the coach.

List form cos its easier...

- Basics... Basics... Basics... i know they are 1st grade but you have to start somewhere.
-Set completion, before we even look to put on any plays lets get these things right. Ensure the first 8-10 sets are completed.
-NO forced passes unless 100% ON... Smart plays from the ruck... i dont want to see the hooks sliding out putting pressure on the prop to catch a flat pass... a solid pass to a fast prop hitting the ball up for the 1st 3 tackles in each set
-Dummy half runs with purpose... not half asses ones, farah and smith are out and bolt
-Stop trying to milk the penalty, get up play the ball and get on a roll.
-Kick on the 4th if it gives you a better strike on the ball with less pressure, but be smart and make sure the outside knows about it, comes with a good game plan
-Kick chase... in a line... practise it... do we?
-When in the opp 20.... smart plays with crisp passes, take it from one side to the other... outside backs to hit holes and give the halves opportunities to hit them, it will atleast make the defense make a decision
- If we start to hit runners and they dont get through, you have created a thought in the defense that they must man up... then roll it in behind them on the 4th with chasers...
- worst case.. a drop out.... fancy that, building pressure ???

Now i could go on... but id leave nothing for the other coaches in here...

Apologies for thread length...

Ps flanno if you are reading.... mention me in your next press conference ok... glad i can help.

discuss....

 

[roboshark]

:lol:

priceless

i love the jibber jabber bit

flanno has it nailed

 

[Quigs]

Aus if you get the gig can I "walk" the sponge.

 

[Tucky]

Well said Aus.... we're playing like a rabble.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

Choreographed coaching looks awesome on paper.
in reality, the game itself throws up too many variable for it to be too fully rehearsed.
Injury, fatigue, wrong split second decisions all change the nature of each event. Tactics can change the nature of the event.
This is what Bennet does. He removes time, from the game( I would say around 10 minutes). Repeats sets, time to scrums, kicks, 40/20's everything to suck time away from the game & the opposition.
He makes the attacking side beat him, by forcing pass connections(i can demonstrate this. basically each extra pass increases the chance of error by a factor of the error rate. eg. each pass has a 1/2 chance of not being dropped. therefore a 5 pass backline movement would = .5X.5X.5X.5X.5 =.0625 chance of the final pass being caught.)That is why Bennet is still using rushing up & in defense, to force the passes.
it also helps that he has the cattle to do it.

As for the game plan, well I watched something quite intresting on the repair of the hubble telescope last night. BFD you say, but this is where i find its relevant to Ausguys post.
The Astronaughts practiced for 2 years for 1 repair manouvre. Has a coaching team of about 8 people for the 3 of them. They had play books for the repair. All the possible variations that might go wrong.
the job? to undo 1 nut, pull out the box, put in new box, retighten nut. So they get there, got the socket ratchet. They cant untighten the nut. Not in the play book. No idea what to do. Very first job(minute of play). 2 years of practice came down to a hail mary play.

 

[The Popper]

He's doing better than I could. I wouldn't be able to keep up with them.

 

[Quigs]

Pop coaching this mob is a piece of piss.

Just adopt Killer Ken Kearneys coaching manuel for attack from the early 60's. Adapt the unlimited tackle tactics ..... Use that for the first five tackles.

Then on the 6th give it to a bloke to kick it somewhere, anywhere

 

[carcharias]

set plays are awesome against an invisible opposition....at training.

 

[Vin Fizz]

Choreographed coaching looks awesome on paper.
in reality, the game itself throws up too many variable for it to be too fully rehearsed.
Injury, fatigue, wrong split second decisions all change the nature of each event. Tactics can change the nature of the event.
This is what Bennet does. He removes time, from the game( I would say around 10 minutes). Repeats sets, time to scrums, kicks, 40/20's everything to suck time away from the game & the opposition.
He makes the attacking side beat him, by forcing pass connections(i can demonstrate this. basically each extra pass increases the chance of error by a factor of the error rate. eg. each pass has a 1/2 chance of not being dropped. therefore a 5 pass backline movement would = .5X.5X.5X.5X.5 =.0625 chance of the final pass being caught.)That is why Bennet is still using rushing up & in defense, to force the passes.
it also helps that he has the cattle to do it.

As for the game plan, well I watched something quite intresting on the repair of the hubble telescope last night. BFD you say, but this is where i find its relevant to Ausguys post.
The Astronaughts practiced for 2 years for 1 repair manouvre. Has a coaching team of about 8 people for the 3 of them. They had play books for the repair. All the possible variations that might go wrong.
the job? to undo 1 nut, pull out the box, put in new box, retighten nut. So they get there, got the socket ratchet. They cant untighten the nut. Not in the play book. No idea what to do. Very first job(minute of play). 2 years of practice came down to a hail mary play.

I saw a piece about the Storm applying the same time tactics. They get 3 into the tackle. One to stop the momentum, a second to hold the opponent upright, then a third to turn twist and LOWER, the player to the ground SLOWLY. The first or second peals way and gets back into the line leaving to the other two at marker. It takes for ever, is totally legal and slows the play the ball up by ions. They do it all day long. What do we do? anyone..anyone..? Bueller!

 

[newman]

Our defence in the middle third is atrocious.

 

[Ram Dass]

As well intentioned your comments, it is naive to say the least.

It's not that simple.


The defense last night was willing and effective.
Albeit, this was aided by the dogs having the least effective go forward in the comp.


The attack was a rabble.
Most of this IMO is based on enthusiasm.
Gardner is the exception.



Most tries are scored with an element of playing what is in front not what is programmed.
Set plays are important and we were poor in that respect last night.
Wade gets lost a bit in that respect and I'm guessing that's why he and Elliott fell out.
As mentioned, he looks like a lock to me. Gee, he is tough. Keep him a shark.


They would practice set plays ad nauseam.
The reason why they look poor is because the centers have no faith in the halves or havent played with them long enough to create a feel for the "right" play.

The new kid in the centers might as well be on the moon when it comes to reading what Chad is doing.
Colin Best is lazy.

The one thing that particularly bugged me was the continual kicking to Stapleton.
5 times!!
Definition of insanity, repeating the same play and looking for a different outcome.

I would be hauling ass over that.

 

[Since 73]

Well throughout this year ive jokingly said that i could do a better job (so has Popper and others) and sure i said it tongue in cheek but now im actually serious.

I've said and I WASN'T friggin joking.

I had absolutely no interest in that game last night. I am well and truly over our mob, but I dragged meself down to the pub and had to leave at halftime.

Fugg we are boring....

The first 10 minutes:
Gal unloads a miracle ball which hits gards in the knee.
Dougie gives 2 penalties away for stealing the ball.
Snowden drops a ball that wasn't meant for him but went to him.
Ecery bomb goes too deep and gives the worst catcher in the gane - Barba - all night to staand and catch.
Then Cordoba comes on and drops the pill in first hitup.

I deadset ran out of the place, went home and din't even find out the result til this morning.

Pom has been up to his neck in the dabacle this club has become and instead of cutting the useless hack loose we friggin STITCH HIM UP FOR 2 MORE YEARS???!!!!!!

Flanno???? The bloke has gone from one pearshaped failure to the next - Rorters, SOO and now us.
What do we do??? STITCH HIM UP!!!!

More of this next year???

I deadset can't take it.