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Crawley's got a Mary Love mate !

Dragonslayer

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Journalists are bottom feeders, who prime themselves for any twist by appearing to support or not support something.
They thrive on sensationalism and hedging.
In this case, the support of McGregor is just feeding on the fan theory and want. If, however, McGregor is sacked, then watch the journalists go to town "McGregor Sacked", in an apparant about face...........yada yada yada.

This is what sells, not jumping on the bandwagon, because there's really nothing more to write about than whats already heen said. Add to this how would they look if suddenly we went on a winning streak?

Sometimes I wonder if Santa Clause is real, just because the news says so!
 

Blood Shot Eyes

First Grade
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I could cop that if it was a one off season
I can't cop it as we have been the same since Mary has been coach
The squad has improved but the performance hasn't
His been coach for a while now and the following has not improved
- use of the bench
- blooding players and giving them time on the field in amongst regular players to develop (not just throwing them in at the deep end during SOO)
- inability to manage players workload and resting them at inappropriate times or not at all
- inability to drop underperforming senior players
- inability to coach the errors out of players eg constant rushing in of our centres leaving wingers exposed

I'm sure there is more I could list

That's my 5 minute review and I can see the issues why can't the club
What you say is spot on....and yes there are more you could list.... like our forwards running one out and not supporting the ball carrier and.......and....oh whats the use I couldnt be bothered anymore....tbh lost interest..
 

denis preston

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Under Mary's coaching the Saints are either really good (Against Broncs in Semi, starts of 2017/18 season) or really bad. There is no in between. That has been the case since he started coaching. It is obvious.

It is quite obvious why and the journo touched on it. That is Mary cannot blood these juniors properly to make an impact like all other teams do. Xeri comes in kills it for Sharks, Cotric out of nowhere now a star, Kikau etc. All because the coach shows faith and throws them in and gives them a proper chance. Field, Luc, etc where given 5 mins to get a taste or when a flop is injured. Why is Latimore getting all these valuable minutes when guys like Luciano, Timm, Kerr etc should be getting experience. Why did a 30yo get a run at 1/2 instead of Field last week? Why is Lafai/Aitken getting heaps of game time when they continue to play poorly rather than give Lomax a go at centre? I know Lomax was injured but not last year? Best of all why didn't Garrick get a chance at all after seeing him this season? Why? Because Mary has no idea about the youth and has not trust at all in the "Pathways system" that Millward has got going. It seems to work well for Manly and Warriors with Herbert and Garrick. He would rather play a guy that has played 100 games of NRL from the bench as a sub at most clubs, than a young guy who can gain some experience.

AND you also got to ask what sort of coaching they get when they make it into the 30 squad. Games of touch footy & gym work ?
 

watatank

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PAUL McGregor isn't about to be sacked.

Club chief executive Brian Johnston went out of his way to make that clear to numerous sections of the media last week, including The (Illawarra) Mercury.


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there's your answer
 

st.phil

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The ‘Dragons can’t afford to pay him out’ always makes me laugh.

I just can’t help but think should the Board give him his marching orders, someone would set up a Go Fund Me page and we’d have him paid out in full an hour later!!
$hitty nearsighted argument - can we afford 2 more years of sub 10k crowds, dwindling sponsorship clout, merch sales and on and on??
 

smi962

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You know what doesn’t make sense, Mitch?

Extending him by two years during an abysmal run of form.

If we had a run like last year, I get it.

But this year? No.

That extension makes no f**king sense at all.

I feel that they had decided at the start of the year (prob after semi win last year) that they wanted to resign him. They just had to get the timing right after a couple of wins to announce it.
 

Gippsy

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You know what doesn’t make sense, Mitch?

Extending him by two years during an abysmal run of form.

If we had a run like last year, I get it.

But this year? No.

That extension makes no f**king sense at all.

Come on Muz, we had a terrific run of one game when we absolutely smashed the last placed dogs.
 

BLM01

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I feel that they had decided at the start of the year (prob after semi win last year) that they wanted to resign him. They just had to get the timing right after a couple of wins to announce it.
This is more close to the mark. I would say after the 2nd semi confirmed their thinking. The PROCESS of 14 other thoughts for coaches just ended.
 

getsmarty

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The ‘Dragons can’t afford to pay him out’ always makes me laugh.

I just can’t help but think should the Board give him his marching orders, someone would set up a Go Fund Me page and we’d have him paid out in full an hour later!!

remote.axd
 
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This is what i tried to respond to this:
First of all Mitch the 3 coaching staff have been in 5 years and only won one prelim final ( and that game was way out of character to what we were playing before and after ). In fact this one prelim final is our only final victory in 9 seasons.Unlike our CEO i'd hardly call it a "Pass mark ". You talk about 9 losses in 11 games but it is really is 24 losses in over 30 odd games so it is worst than just this season. Injuries doesn't help but when the side is getting lapped by 20 & 30 points it shows up a lack of ability of the staff to instill the necessary grit the side needed .You mention the young players not coming up to expectations but who is responsible for their improvement, the 3 coaches ! Also why do some players who make the same mistakes week to week retain their positions and others dont ? I could go on & on but the Board made a massive error in resigning the coach and the timing of such is still so baffling that it makes you wonder our future under that sort of thinking. If they don't move on the coaching staff watch the gate takings, membership & merchandise fall so we will lose money anyhow.
Well said.
 
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This is what i tried to respond to this:
First of all Mitch the 3 coaching staff have been in 5 years and only won one prelim final ( and that game was way out of character to what we were playing before and after ). In fact this one prelim final is our only final victory in 9 seasons.Unlike our CEO i'd hardly call it a "Pass mark ". You talk about 9 losses in 11 games but it is really is 24 losses in over 30 odd games so it is worst than just this season. Injuries doesn't help but when the side is getting lapped by 20 & 30 points it shows up a lack of ability of the staff to instill the necessary grit the side needed .You mention the young players not coming up to expectations but who is responsible for their improvement, the 3 coaches ! Also why do some players who make the same mistakes week to week retain their positions and others dont ? I could go on & on but the Board made a massive error in resigning the coach and the timing of such is still so baffling that it makes you wonder our future under that sort of thinking. If they don't move on the coaching staff watch the gate takings, membership & merchandise fall so we will lose money anyhow.
Journo's job is to be objective and report the facts.
Most of what I'm reading is towing the club line and being very supportive of "career coach" McGregor.
Johnston's responses are farcical and stating that McGregor is working 12-14 hours to rectify the situation is just another insult to our intelligence.
I work 12-14 hours a day and if I don't get results, I don't eat. It's that simple.
What stands out to me is the lack of scrutiny of McGregor's appointment in the first place.
Not one journo has critically looked at McGregor's credentials to coach FG. NOT ONE!
That would at least oblige the Board to explain how they came to that decision and the rationale of the extensions..
The results and disaster of the last 6 years starts and finishes with the fact that McGregor is no where near qualified to coach a FG rugby league let alone manage the roster that we have.
A journo's job is also to represent the sentiment of the public and provide a true picture of the toll this coaching disaster has taken on the fans.
Instead our fans are pigeon holed as hard to please and too critical of this wonderful coach who bleeds red and white.
Give me a break.
Just do what you are being paid for and report the whole story about St. George Illawarra.
That will sell plenty of newspapers.
 

SEAT 1A

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Nearly spewed when i read this.Who is this Mitch Jennings ? Mouthpiece apologist for the club obviously.Love it when he mentions the young player development and doesn't connect it to the coaching staff !


PAUL McGregor isn't about to be sacked.


Club chief executive Brian Johnston went out of his way to make that clear to numerous sections of the media last week, including The Mercury.

It'd be one of the all-time great dummies if it proves a smother, but it would take a dramatic shift in current thinking from the club's heavy hitters for him not to see out the season.

Contrary to what some people seem to believe, it's not a media creation. The question's been asked and the answer given.

Results of have been awful of late, losing nine of 11 games - abysmally in two most recent defeats - and would put any coach under pressure.

The anger of fans is understandable but, as Johnston said, the club can't make decisions with that as a sole factor. It has to look dispassionately at all factors at play.

It includes the fact the club simply hasn't had the top four roster it has on paper on the park. You can already hear the mass hum of Twitter thumbs mobilising whenever you make that point but it's a reality.

The stakes in the Jack de Belin saga rose again on Wednesday and the challenge of navigating the lengthy "no-fault stand-down process" is a first for any club to deal with.

The injury toll McGregor has dealt with is also self-evident. Both are clearly contributing, if not determining, factors in the club's current position.

Would they be enough to see an off-contract coach spared the axe? Probably not, but McGregor is signed for the next two seasons. You can debate the merits of the contract extension the club negotiated in April but it's also a reality.

All coaches, McGregor as much as any, know that there's no such things as job security in NRL coaching. Contracts provide a financial safeguard, they don't guarantee you'll keep your job that long.

The Dragons, however, are not in a position to pay out two years of a coaching contract. Paying two coaches - one of them not to coach your side - has hardly proved a smart move elsewhere in the NRL.

You also need to consider the club is also paying de Belin a hefty wage not to play for them this season - not of its own doing - and will continue to do so into 2020.

Making the huge decision of sacking a coach on the run mid-season would serve no purpose, disappointing as the current situation is.

It's obviously not hard to find answers as to where it's gone wrong this season. Where it gets better is tougher to ponder.

It also reveals perhaps the most disappointing aspect of the Dragons season. Not one of the club's young crop has produced a truly breakout season.

'Young' is a relative term when you look at the likes of Matt Dufty (23), Luciano Leilua (23), Jacob Host (22), Blake Lawrie (22) and Jai Field (21). None are rookies anymore.

They're of course not to blame for their side's predicament but, amid injuries and unavailability of marquee men, you would have hoped at least one, ideally two or three, jumped up and grabbed their opportunity by the throat.

Lawrie is the only one to have found some measure of consistency. Leilua has shown flashes of his best but was dropped for a game for being late to training.

Dufty has spent time in Canterbury Cup while Field hasn't really given McGregor any headaches when the the likes of Corey Norman and Ben Hunt have returned from Origin injury.

As a whole, they've continued to play like a supporting cast and - harsh as it sounds - like players already contracted for 2020.

The other glaring issue has been in the back five.

McGregor has admittedly struggled to find the right formula in his back three while centres Tim Lafai and Euan Aitken have not been at their best. Aitken's form dip after being in the Origin mix last season has been particularly baffling.

Both have served to highlight how badly the Dragons have missed super-sub Leeson Ah Mau and chief metre-eater Nene Macdonald.

They're areas recruitment chief Ian Millaward will need to look at, despite having little wriggle room in the cap. The salary cap position will also play into any move on McGregor's future.

Frizell, de Belin, James Graham, Host, Lafai, Leilua and Zac Lomax are all off contract next season. Cam McInnes, Paul Vaughan, Norman and Dufty are off-contract the year after.

McGregor has the chance, with you would assume less disruptions, to turn it around with largely the same group he took to the semi-finals last season.

If things don't turn around, the club has much more practical and financial scope for an overhaul in both its coaching and playing ranks next year and into 2021.

A knee-jerk sacking at this stage of a season achieves little, and would come with a hefty price tag. It just doesn't make sense.

URL LINK: https://www.illawarramercury.com.au...f-tough-questions-best-saved-for-seasons-end/


But.... but. If wasn't for JDB, the youngster, Ah Mau, injuries and Willward . Why not add Nighty.
 

Gareth67

First Grade
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PAUL McGregor isn't about to be sacked.

Club chief executive Brian Johnston went out of his way to make that clear to numerous sections of the media last week, including The (Illawarra) Mercury.


....


there's your answer

Does our Uncle Bruce own the Mercury ? Because if he does , you are most certainly correct and we are all in for more misery for another 2 years .

Completely off the track , did anyone notice the enormous amount of enthusiasm shown by both Canberra and Penrith today and also Manly yesterday ? Gawd , how I would like to see that in our Dragons even if we lost the match , it just shows that their teammates are playing for one another .
 

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