Eelectrica
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If the courts say he's not guilty, fair enough. Play on then.
I said innocent until proven guilty...
interesting isn't it
Begs the question why was he stood down from side then, in particular the ashes tour if that was the case?
He lost sponsors and money
interesting isn't it
Begs the question why was he stood down from side then, in particular the ashes tour if that was the case?
He lost sponsors and money
The footage is pretty damning. Obviously he's been acquitted of any criminal charge, but what is undeniable is that he chased after two blokes and rearranged their faces. Whatever got him off the affray charge is inconsequential to a sponsor (for eg) because the footage shows a bloke they endorse snotting two dudes, one of whom isn't actually fighting back at that point...it's about image for sponsors and even the ECB and, guilty of the legal offence he was charged with or not, the image is very clear.
Anyway I still find it mind-blowing that blokes can tamper with a ball and be suspended for a year, while a guy can belt the shit out of two men and be allowed to play.
Anyway I still find it mind-blowing that blokes can tamper with a ball and be suspended for a year, while a guy can belt the shit out of two men and be allowed to play.
It really is mind blowing, cuz in all other countries its just a 1 match suspension.
Hardly a level playing field.
If Sutherland were in charge of the ECB, Stokes would have got a life ban
I've got no problem with the board coming down hard on ball tampering. My problem is that it's just our board, and what Stokes did is unquestionably worse, whether it fits the legal definition of affray in court or not.
No one with a brain reckons that rubbing some sandpaper on a ball is in any way worse than king-hitting someone, ESPECIALLY in light of the tragic one punch deaths that have happened all over the world. Stokes could have killed someone, in real terms. I'm not suggesting the court erred, by any means. He is not guilty and that's the verdict. But the fact that he's not guilty of affray doesn't mean he never punched the blokes and I just think the ECB have been incredibly spineless.
The footage is pretty damning. Obviously he's been acquitted of any criminal charge, but what is undeniable is that he chased after two blokes and rearranged their faces. Whatever got him off the affray charge is inconsequential to a sponsor (for eg) because the footage shows a bloke they endorse snotting two dudes, one of whom isn't actually fighting back at that point...it's about image for sponsors and even the ECB and, guilty of the legal offence he was charged with or not, the image is very clear.
Anyway I still find it mind-blowing that blokes can tamper with a ball and be suspended for a year, while a guy can belt the shit out of two men and be allowed to play.
I’ve no issue with him being stood down from the ashes.
Some were guilty one wasn’t.
Plus one is outside the game and one really brings the sport in to question. I’ve no issue with him being stood down from the ashes but it’s not compatible to what smith did.
You're right, it's not comparible, it's infinitely worse.
Look, I'm actually happy that he's been found not guilty in the courts, but I definitely think that there needs to be a bigger on-field consequence for his actions. He absolutely punched two guys. A member I am now ignoring once tried to argue that David Warner giving Joe Root a love-tap in a bar made him the worst human being in cricket...well that was outside the game, and I'm not arguing that Warner isn't a f**kwit, but Stokes has done much worse here. The ECB have been spineless in allowing him to play IMO.
As I said before it's about image as much as anything. He may not be guilty of affray, but there is clear video footage of him punching two blokes lights out. How does that not bring the game into disrepute? Walk away. It was completely unnecessary.
There is a huge inconsistency in the way that indiscretions are punished in cricket, I suppose is my gripe. If it was Warner there'd be calls for a life ban from all quarters.
It doesn’t bring the core of the game in to disrepute.
Sure it’s a bad look for the sport but he wasn’t trying to alter the outcome of a game. This is a matter outside the sport which is why I find Smith’s much worse.
You’re talking about banning someone for not committing a crime. They are up there with Tim Simona who was banned for life from the NRL.
That's not how law works. The fact he's not guilty of affray, and wasn't charged with assault, is because he had a defence of self defence, which isn't just an excuse for punching someone, it is a total justification for it. People have the right to punch people - if its done in self defence, or consented to in a boxing/MMA/whatever else ring. Heck you're allowed to shoot people with self defence. The issue is whether the force used was reasonable. If unreasonable, the defence fails, if reasonable, the defence succeeds and the actions are justified.
Are you able to shoot people trying to run away, in self defence?
I suggest it is relative and soley based on the jurastiction , which can be varied greatly pending on how the jury analyse the events.
With Stokes verdict, it appears excessive force ie running after cowards and belting them was deemed appropriate and allowable to claim self defence. As was Hales, who self defence included stomping and kicking a bloke on the ground.
I’d love to know who was on the jury, were some of them cricket nuts , some gay/lesbians etc...