What's new
The Front Row Forums

Register a free account today to become a member of the world's largest Rugby League discussion forum! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Cronulla Sharks - Bailouts

Fein

First Grade
Messages
5,249
I'm not sure where the 'fought hard' part comes in.

Both clubs tried to initiate merges before Super League.

Roosters have their chairman on the NRL board and Cronulla joined super league after getting a handout from the ARL. Not exactly a campaign of blood and tears.

Both clubs have remained independent via back room skulduggery.

:lol:

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Regardless, they stand alone and didn't merge.

I salute them.
 

Willow

Assistant Moderator
Messages
110,155
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Which part of it is a 'good story'... and which part of the following are you saluting?

1. Cronulla tried to sell the team to Dr Geoffrey Edelsten - fact. In retrospect, the NSWRL probably should have let it go ahead.

2. Cronulla tried to merge with St George - fact. St George politely knocked them back. Saints supporters were less polite, in between fits of laughter.

3. Sharks got a handout from the ARL, and then joined Super League - fact.

Fein said:
I salute them.
LOL.
 
Messages
17,545
I said this tread was stupid. I was wrong. It is actually funny.

Anyway, no matter what is fact or what is fiction, who really cares. Just love your footy team guys, regardless of being merged or not. Can't blame the Dragon supporters for standing up and saying so what about being merged. Seriously, if we had merged, we would defend our club the same way.

As for "skullduggery" (love that description), its not restricted to any one club, ARL or Superleague. They have all had their moments. So what? The footy on the field is all I care about. Let the wankers in the Boardrooms play their stupid games, the only game that matters happens on the footy field.
 

Weaponhead

Coach
Messages
11,000
As for "skullduggery" (love that description), its not restricted to any one club, ARL or Superleague. They have all had their moments. So what? The footy on the field is all I care about. Let the wankers in the Boardrooms play their stupid games, the only game that matters happens on the footy field.

Fair call. The Sharks made a business decision to go to Super League. It was the right call for the club as it ensured survival. For those blowing up about lack of loyalty etc..... get over it and accept that this is a business and all the clubs do the best they can for themselves.

St George acquiring Illawarra was a business decision that has obvious benefits for them. It has given them access to top juniors and expanded their geographic base and supporter numbers. Smart business. Both St George and Cronulla clubs have made decisons that were in their best interests.

The fact that these threads keep coming up about Cronulla going to Super League show just how pathetic some fans are. Get over it. All organisations act in their own interests in the real world. May be time for some to on here to come on in and join us in reality.
 

fatshark

Bench
Messages
2,521
Which part of it is a 'good story'... and which part of the following are you saluting?

1. Cronulla tried to sell the team to Dr Geoffrey Edelsten - fact. In retrospect, the NSWRL probably should have let it go ahead.

2. Cronulla tried to merge with St George - fact. St George politely knocked them back. Saints supporters were less polite, in between fits of laughter.

3. Sharks got a handout from the ARL, and then joined Super League - fact.

LOL.
Dunno about one, I thought he approached the club
Umm Cronulla NEVER tried to merge...it may of been put to a vote but got hammered by a big NO. The Sharks did however ask Souths-FACT
3. And look at the handout the Sharks got compared to the others..lol. no wonder they jumped ship. A good decision seeing as Manly puppets were running the comp for so long.
Better start saving for that St George membership...they are counting on it.. lol.
 

Fraser

Guest
Messages
384
Chooks bragging about existing for 101 years/not merging - I think St. George fans would rather be St. George Illawarra Dragons then the Sydney Dragons.
 

Willow

Assistant Moderator
Messages
110,155
Dunno about one, I thought he approached the club
Read the article on page one. That's Peter Gow in the picture.

The club rolled out the red carpet for Edelsten. They put a dollar value on the team, and had the players line up with flowers for Edelsten's wife Leanne. She even went up and pointed at players saying stuff like, "can I have that one?"
No wonder Mike Cleary wanted to vomit.
If the NSWRL didn't step in, the deal would have gone through with Gow's blessing, and the club would have sold the team to a businessman with a dodgy reputation.

Edelsten was later disgraced and gaoled.
Link: http://www.australiandoctor.com.au/news/e2/0c01a8e2.asp

fatshark said:
Umm Cronulla NEVER tried to merge...it may of been put to a vote but got hammered by a big NO. The Sharks did however ask Souths-FACT
You're very much wrong. Cronulla desperately wanted to merge with Saints.

It was Peter Gow again. He approached St George. The Sharks even mocked up a 'confidential poll' to try and say Saints supporters supported the merger, effectively showing that they were willing to lie to make it happen.

The proposed deal itself was pretty pathetic, but Saints officials, and also Illawarra officials, looked at it before sending Gow and his 'vision' on their way.

From Ian Heads' book, Saints: The Legend Lives On:
(Pages 283-285 - most relevant extracts)

Sometime in late Novemeber 1994, Warren Lockwood took a call from an old workmate - Cronulla official, later president, Barry Pierce. The Sharks wanted to talk "partnership" ...could that be arranged? Soon afterwards a highly confidential document arrived at the club - from Cronulla's controversial, high energy chairman, Peter Gow. It was headed "St George/Cronulla - The Future", outlining a scenario of league's "new future" and sharing "the following findings, many of which have been confirmed by a current (unnamed) NSWRL Director". The document postulated: "It may not be the ARL or (Kerry) Packer calling the shots, but NEWS LIMITED. There would be only four teams in Sydney. Whether we like it or not, or think it a good idea, it will happen. We cannot stop it," the document continued. "Therefore we must be pro-active in positioning ourselves so our individual clubs are appropriately represented." At some length, the document proposed a joint Sharks-Saints team. St George's Geoff Carr was to be CEO of the new club and on a day that Sharks marketing man Richard Fisk (representing Gow) met Lockwood for an informal talk, Carr lunched with Gow, who outlined his "vision". A confidential poll, conducted on behalf of Cronulla in early December, was announced to have revealed an overwhelming desire among St George supporters to merge with Cronulla rather than any other club, should Super League become a reality.

On January 16, 1995 Peter Gow came to the St George boardroom and presented his proposal. His theme was: "It's going to happen whether you like it or not - you might as well join us now and get in on the ground floor." Warren Lockwood recalled how the Sharks chairman had a jumper already "dollied up" for the new team. "It was mainly bloody blue," said Lockwood. "Imagine how that would have gone over." The new team was going to be called "The Gladiators".

...[Meeting with News Limited]...

Warren Lockwood recalls [David] Smith raising his voice in disagreement in the face of Gow's strident incidence that he should have the franchise for the "new club". Shortly afterwards it was suggested that Illawarra should be in the mix too. "News were pushing for it ... they were adamant that Illawarra couldn't stand alone," said Lockwood. In the car on his way back from the meeting, Lockwood rang Illawarra chairman Bob Elvy. Elvy was to say to Lockwood later: "I nearly fell over when you told me Gow was in the same car." Illawarra wanted no truck with Cronulla - but their representatives Elvy and Peter Newell came up for a preliminary meeting anyway, a small seminal moment considering the events to come several seasons later. The meeting was held late afternoon on Monday January 23, 1995 in the board room at Saints Leagues Club, involving Cronulla trio of Gow, Crowley and Pierce as well as the Illawarra officials - Plus News Limited representaitives David Smith and Robert Topfer. At the meeting, Smith was adamant that Illawarra could not go it alone. Their "spot" had gone to Adelaide. Join St George and Cronulla in a Southern franchise or be left out - that was the stark message.

Saints-Cronulla-Illawarra of course never happened, and was never going to. Warren Saunders: "To be honest there was never any chance of St George and Cronulla voluntarily getting together. Our board were adamant they wouldn't touch it ... wouldn't have anything to do with it."

fatshark said:
3. And look at the handout the Sharks got compared to the others..lol. no wonder they jumped ship. A good decision seeing as Manly puppets were running the comp for so long.
Got a link for that?

I think you're getting handouts mixed up with loans.
fatshark said:
Better start saving for that St George membership...they are counting on it.. lol.
Where did you dredge that up from?

Sorry, but kiddy pissheads holding court at Northies doesn't count as a credible argument.
 
Last edited:

Willow

Assistant Moderator
Messages
110,155
General, genuine question below and please take no offence as I'm just curious.

Can you link us to a post where your knowledge of rugby league did you proud?
 
Messages
17,545
My lord Willow, your superiority complex is impressive!

Why do you care so much about what happened or didn't happen back then? It is in the past and we don't care, why do you? Is this just an agenda driven attempt to have your little Cronulla bash?

Knock yourself out. It really means nothing to us. Get it? We don't care.

I was right this thread is funny.
 

Jasdragon

Juniors
Messages
1,757
My lord Willow, your superiority complex is impressive!

Why do you care so much about what happened or didn't happen back then? It is in the past and we don't care, why do you? Is this just an agenda driven attempt to have your little Cronulla bash?

Knock yourself out. It really means nothing to us. Get it? We don't care.

I was right this thread is funny.

What a load of crap!!! How can people say, it's in the past so it doesn't matter???? (usually said when someone has done something wrong or of a nature that they are not proud of and wish to forget). What is the point of doing anything if it will not be remembered? History is very important and should never be forgotten, even more so when it was bad, so it can never happen again!
 

drake

First Grade
Messages
5,433
What a load of crap!!! How can people say, it's in the past so it doesn't matter???? (usually said when someone has done something wrong or of a nature that they are not proud of and wish to forget). What is the point of doing anything if it will not be remembered? History is very important and should never be forgotten, even more so when it was bad, so it can never happen again!
You're talking to people that have a club history that just plain hurts.

All they have is a hope of a future.
 

Willow

Assistant Moderator
Messages
110,155
My lord Willow, your superiority complex is impressive!
No, just stating the facts miller. Do you have anything of substance to offer as a counter argument? Or are you just here to try and shut down discussion with mindless posts?

Miller was a legend said:
Why do you care so much about what happened or didn't happen back then?
Discussion forum. Subject matter.

Why aren't you saying the same thing to fathead? Is it because you're more comfortable with lies when it suits your agenda?

The truth hurts?
Miller was a legend said:
It is in the past and we don't care
lol. bullsh*t. Who are 'we'?
Miller was a legend said:
why do you?
You're repeating yourself. People are entitled to to hold discussions miller. Apparently you have an issue with this.
Miller was a legend said:
Is this just an agenda driven attempt to have your little Cronulla bash?
Here we go again...

Elaborate. This should be fun.

Miller was a legend said:
Knock yourself out. It really means nothing to us. Get it? We don't care.
'Us'... 'We'. lol

And yet you keep posting. What's next, a fake promise to walk away from the discussion you don't care about?

These pathetic attempts to derail the discussion by playing the man is embarrassing you further. Fact is, you have offered sfa to the discussion. No rebuttal, no argument... nothing.
Miller was a legend said:
I was right this thread is funny.
On the contrary, it sounds like it has got right under your skin.

Again, who are 'we'?
 

Latest posts

Top