Dairy: Bad for you?

[Geohood]

WPI has very little lactose in it so should be fine, but yeah there's always soy protein isolate, it's a lower quality protein but it's still good.

I bought a kg of it but never again.... it tasted horrible and was really cluggy and a nightmare to clean :S

 

[Cliffhanger]

Yeah I only use soy protein isolate in baking and cooking. Use it instead of flour in omelettes, or fish cakes and in home made protein bars. I would never use it in a shake only WPI or WPC.

 

[Cliffhanger]

Gomad

GOMAD is pretty effective for bulking if you can handle it.

 

[dogslife]

I made the mistake of buying soy protein once, never again. The texture alone was enough to put me off

 

[Joker's Wild]

Yeah I only use soy protein isolate in baking and cooking. Use it instead of flour in omelettes, or fish cakes and in home made protein bars. I would never use it in a shake only WPI or WPC.

WTF are you putting flour in omelettes for?

 

[Cliffhanger]

Lol I meant to say protein pancakes, I don't know how I said omelettes instead lol.

 

[Twizzle]

stick to cupcakes

 

[Geohood]

Been having soy milk all year with the weetbix, and a cup of dairy milk after a workout sometimes so maybe 3 cups a week max which is a lot less then what I used to have of it... havn't had tonsillitis since, but have also had a multivitamin everyday, improved my diet and been working out all year so hopefully it stays away! So good to look back on the horror year and realise I havn't actually been too sick at all this year.

 

[Tom Shines]

GOMAD is pretty effective for bulking if you can handle it.

I'm actually going half-mad (i.e, two litres a day, not including protein shakes), and it's certainly doing the job.

And you'd think so if you were consuming an extra 5600kJ, 64g protein, and 80g fat — and all for two bucks if you buy it from Coles/Woolies!

 

[Geohood]

Drinking 4L of milk a day on top of your diet makes me feel sick just thinking about it :s... Wouldn't you develop a massive stomach doing that?

 

[Cliffhanger]

Not if you train enough, you'll put on fat no doubt, but you'd gain fat with any type of bulking diet and once the month is over you just cut out the milk and will shed the excess fat in no time.

 

[Tom Shines]

To be honest, it's not as difficult as I thought it would be, although I could never envisage doing 3.7 a day.

I'm definitely getting bigger, but of course I've gained fat as well (but as Cliffy said, that's part and parcel of any bulking diet). I'll keep going with it a bit longer and strip down closer to summer.

 

[Chook Norris]

Been having soy milk all year with the weetbix, and a cup of dairy milk after a workout sometimes so maybe 3 cups a week max which is a lot less then what I used to have of it... havn't had tonsillitis since, but have also had a multivitamin everyday, improved my diet and been working out all year so hopefully it stays away! So good to look back on the horror year and realise I havn't actually been too sick at all this year.

im not sure, but be careful with soymilk. It promotes estrogen development in the body and may be counter-productive to building muscle

 

[Geohood]

Yeah I dunno.. I've still had it all year and have put on muscle but if you're right I would never know if my gains could be higher.

The info out there is very confusing and everything contradicts each other.

 

[Joker's Wild]

Most studies suggest that consuming soy protein is pretty safe unless, like most things, you are consuming huge amounts of the stuff.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Squats and milk!!

If a fair number of strength coaches advocate drinking a gallon of milk a day while training, I doubt it's doing you too much harm.

 

[Cliffhanger]

im not sure, but be careful with soymilk. It promotes estrogen development in the body and may be counter-productive to building muscle

It actually promotes estrogen production no more than regular milk courtesy of the hormones most dairy cows are fed.

 

[Cletus]

It actually promotes estrogen production no more than regular milk courtesy of the hormones most dairy cows are fed.

Estrogen is in foods like Soy, I don't know too much about dairy but I'd say dairy cattle are more likely to be given progesterone, and milk causes increases in progesterone. Feeding cattle feed containing phytoestrogens (e.g. red clover) can stop them becoming pregnant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progesterone#Animal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogen#Food_sources

 

[Cletus]

Actually there is estrogen in milk. This was interesting though:

But steps can be taken now to reduce the amount of hormones in milk, said Ganmaa. Because hormones reside in milk fat, drinking skim milk is one option. Getting calcium from green leafy vegetables is another.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Estrogen naturally occurs in all of us anyway (males too). A little bit extra in your milk/soy won't have you growing d-cup bitch tits.