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Danny wicks

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Bit early to make that call! Leopards rarely change their spots, but good luck to him. If he should be allowed the privilege of playing in the worlds number one rl Comp is debatable. Plenty of jobs you don't get a second chance in. We are seen as a low brow sport played by thugs so I guess public perception is something we are not too worried about.
 

Someone

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Bit early to make that call! Leopards rarely change their spots, but good luck to him. If he should be allowed the privilege of playing in the worlds number one rl Comp is debatable. Plenty of jobs you don't get a second chance in. We are seen as a low brow sport played by thugs so I guess public perception is something we are not too worried about.

if it concerns you so much stop supporting the game and give up following the perth pir..

oh wait.

f**k off.
 

T.S Quint

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Bit early to make that call! Leopards rarely change their spots, but good luck to him. If he should be allowed the privilege of playing in the worlds number one rl Comp is debatable. Plenty of jobs you don't get a second chance in. We are seen as a low brow sport played by thugs so I guess public perception is something we are not too worried about.

He's not a leopard. He's a human being. Human beings change all the f**king time.
 

Wizardman

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I will say this about Danny Wicks. Newcastle and St George (not totally their fault) could not control his weight yet jail could. Wicks must look at his earlier career as wasted time.
 

natheel

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Bit early to make that call! Leopards rarely change their spots, but good luck to him. If he should be allowed the privilege of playing in the worlds number one rl Comp is debatable. Plenty of jobs you don't get a second chance in. We are seen as a low brow sport played by thugs so I guess public perception is something we are not too worried about.

like i said IF
 
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Paullyboy said:
Yeah I clearly worded that poorly - you know what I mean though, recreational drugs that are manufactured in basements, garages and backyard sheds.

MDMA is safe as houses. And most of it is produced by chemists, not in sheds. Do you really think gold bars, heinekens, ups pills, etc, all the big presses of the last 12 months are coming from dingy sheds? They're the result of sophisticated operations in the Netherlands and the like.

You anti-drugs folk are arguing from a position of ignorance. And the guy who said most dealers don't use their own product - how out of touch and clueless can you get.
 

Pierced Soul

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ECT's right. he shouldnt be in the NRL. with all this talk about getting rid of bad behaviour, we have a convicted drug dealer being allowed back into the game. a "mistake" is something that isnt planned. setting up a drug network is not a "mistake". we keep letting f**kwits back into the NRL and then wonder why the media keeps having a field day.

wicks played well -far better than i expected, but i'm of the belief that if you commit a serious crime you don't get allowed back into the game
 

_Johnsy

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MDMA is safe as houses. And most of it is produced by chemists, not in sheds. Do you really think gold bars, heinekens, ups pills, etc, all the big presses of the last 12 months are coming from dingy sheds? They're the result of sophisticated operations in the Netherlands and the like.

You anti-drugs folk are arguing from a position of ignorance. And the guy who said most dealers don't use their own product - how out of touch and clueless can you get.

1st bolded section :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

2nd section - some self reflection, good to see.
 

Canard

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MDMA is safe as houses. And most of it is produced by chemists, not in sheds. Do you really think gold bars, heinekens, ups pills, etc, all the big presses of the last 12 months are coming from dingy sheds? They're the result of sophisticated operations in the Netherlands and the like.

You anti-drugs folk are arguing from a position of ignorance. And the guy who said most dealers don't use their own product - how out of touch and clueless can you get.

This post takes delusion to new heights.

Man I don't care that you get on the gear, just stop kidding yourself that its all hunky dory.
 

Paullyboy

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It seems there are a few people in this thread who think it's all good. And to think one of them had the hide to play the ignorance card...
 

Paullyboy

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I think that MacDougall is trying to look cool or something, I'm not really sure though as it seems a strange thing to pursue on an Internet forum (especially this one!).
 

T.S Quint

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No they don't, they just learn how to hide their flaws better.

So you think Wicks is still selling some on the side?
Some people don't change, some people do. In a lot of cases it takes until you hit rock bottom (just like Wicks) for you to realise you need to clean up your act.
I've seen it happen to plenty of people...including myself.
 

hrundi99

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MDMA is safe as houses. And most of it is produced by chemists, not in sheds. Do you really think gold bars, heinekens, ups pills, etc, all the big presses of the last 12 months are coming from dingy sheds? They're the result of sophisticated operations in the Netherlands and the like.

You anti-drugs folk are arguing from a position of ignorance. And the guy who said most dealers don't use their own product - how out of touch and clueless can you get.

We've got Arthur Fonzarelli over here...

:roll:
 
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This post takes delusion to new heights.

Man I don't care that you get on the gear, just stop kidding yourself that its all hunky dory.

Look, most e presses in the civilised world are clean and easy to test. Ecstasy has never been as pure as it is right now. MDMA has never been as cheap gram for gram as it is right now. A test kit runs you about £20 and there are a number of drug charities and other organisations who keep a close eye on what's in circulation (including police forces up and down the country who seem to cite both as credible) so as to keep consumers safe.

Are you saying the Public Health Agency know less than you do? I suppose you know more than David Nutt too, the former UK government drugs adviser (fired for providing impartial advice) who said in the Journal of Psychopharmacology that it should be downgraded to a Class B drug and was no more a risk than equestrian?

"Drug harm can be equal to harms in other parts of life. There is not much difference between horse-riding and ecstasy." - David Nutt.

The only real danger with the big presses at the moment (ie those being produced by Partyflock) is they're too strong. That if you don't know what you're doing, you could take too much and have a bad time. Now they might be produced in the Netherlands so less relevant to Australians you could say, but drugs marketplaces on the darknet have seen their big presses (Gold Bars, Heinekens, red and yellow UPS) reach Australia, USA, etc.

Of course you have immitation pills, usually filled with PMMA, that cause a danger - that's why test strips are important. And obviously you have people who drink too much water and get water posioning because honest, open debate on drugs is stifled by silly laws and moral outrage. But as far as drugs go, assuming you test what you're buying (which you always should) and assuming you aren't consuming deadly amounts (which the vast majority don't), it doesn't get much safer than rolling.

I don't take "gear". I've struggled with depression on and off for a few years and the comedown the days following has never made it worth it. But I know people, hundreds of people, who take or have taken the stuff - thousands of drops, probably tens of thousands of drops - and they've all lived to tell the tale. Why? Because if you use a bit of common sense and exercise a bit of caution, using the widely available resources that are available, the risk is minimal. You can like or not like that but the number of people dropping e's every weekend and not dying speaks for itself. Of the 500,000 people who took ecstasy in the UK last year, how many died? The answer is 27, and I can tell you that most of that 27 had taken impure e or were mixing with other drugs (I'm citing DrugScope data here; one of the UK's best known drug charities)

You can also look at a place like Australia and New Zealand and see what happens when easily accessible, clean stimulant drugs aren't as widely available - people turn to shit DIY filth like crystal meth.

And I reckon this tendency to tar all drugs with the same brush is a bit counterproductive because what you get is kids running around thinking 15% purity coke cut with all sorts of garbage is no more a risk than a decent E.
 
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Canard

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You don't know my background or exposure to drugs. I'll admit that I've taken gear in my life,I never kidded myself that it's all Quality stuff that won't harm you.

Junkies always convince themselves that it's all good and the drug trade is a victimless crime.
 
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You don't know my background or exposure to drugs. I'll admit that I've taken gear in my life,I never kidded myself that it's all Quality stuff that won't harm you.

Junkies always convince themselves that it's all good and the drug trade is a victimless crime.

Well I think you've taken my original post too literally. No one is saying that drugs are completely safe and don't have a risk of harm - even legal drugs can't make that claim - but relatively speaking MDMA is not that dangerous and your chance of dying from taking clean ecstasy is so slim as to not even be worth mentioning. But as with anything else, that's assuming you aren't abusing it. And safe is obviously relative so we're probably splitting hairs here. If I said driving is safe as houses would you take issue with that? I'm not saying go out and take MDMA and if I found out, say, my Mum was dropping ecstasy, I'd be naturally concerned the same as I would be if I found out she was smoking or taking sleepers.

http://www.drugscope.org.uk/resources/faqs/faqpages/why-do-people-die-after-taking-ecstasy

DrugScope have a pretty balanced article on the subject for others who don't have that experience and want to know about the subject without the usual media/political hysteria.

And yeah the drug trade has victims - usually they're the result of having an unregulated, illegal market in the first place.
 
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