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Dave Furner Likely New Raiders Coach

raidersforme

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Bay56 said:
I dont think I need to point out anymore that this club is run by a bunch of amateur fools who are more concerned with their own lot than that of the club.

You guys can make your own judgement but heck you'd need something more than "I have confidence in them, they've made some great decisions since sakcing Elliott"

Bay you're hour of glory has come about unfortunately, They have shown utter contempt, ignorance, stupidity, nepotism and quite frankly if where in the real world would be on the dole que so fast.

It's all good to be trying to have the clubs interest's at heart but F#$% me dead, these guys need to learn some BUSINESS SKILLS,

(Business 101) Always negotiate contracts to your best interest's

The communication obviously between ceo's report to board must have some serious holes in it, What else has Don Jr not told the board, Or is it a case of board not listening. One way or another this has to stop for our club to grow and be what it is the best.
 

dolphinboy

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paulquinn49 said:
Why not let Furner have a go now, but keep Henry to assist him. No point sending Henry and leaving us with nothing. At least this way Furner can be guided/mentored.

By what - a bloke with a 40% strike rate and 0% loyalty to his players.

Ship him and let Dave have his head.
 

dolphinboy

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paulquinn49 said:
Furner doesnt need any coaching in loyalty imo, but the 40% you speak of is better than 0%.
Bollocks Paul 0% does not denote a clean slate

How possibly can Henry face the players let alone instruct them.

Best and only case scenario is see ya dog and install the pedigree.
 

paulquinn49

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Its called being a professional, it would be the same as a player signing to play elsewhere (like Tonga has done) and yet they still turn up to training.

I cant see how Furner having someone more experienced than him to fall back on is a bad thing.
 

dolphinboy

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paulquinn49 said:
Its called being a professional, it would be the same as a player signing to play elsewhere (like Tonga has done) and yet they still turn up to training.

I cant see how Furner having someone more experienced than him to fall back on is a bad thing.
It is the way it has unfolded that I believe it is untenable that Henry can stay and be a positive effect.

Unlike Wayne Bennett who was 110% upfront with the Broncos, Henry just shat on our collective heads.

I am sure Meninga, Walters (Kevvie and Box), Daley, etc will provide an ear and advice.

Unfortunately everything Henry says or does from here on will not be considered kosher and that my friend cannot lead us in the right direction.

If Henry was upfront at the beginning syaing he was off there could be closure and progress made in the following weeks - his treachery torched that option.
 

donkey|rope

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if i could pick 3 off contract players that we have a realistic shot at signing, they would be:

Stuart Flanagan
David Shillington
Matt Cooper
 

paulquinn49

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Dont know how Matt Cooper is realistic. The dood is way too recognisable & expensive to come to Canberra.

Plus he gives off a "Beach Vibe", a lake and tumbleweed wouldnt cut it for him.
 

skeepe

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Where does all this "Zillman is more than likely going to Queensland" talk come from? Just because he wants to test his value? f**k me dead some people over-react.
 

donkey|rope

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paulquinn49 said:
Dont know how Matt Cooper is realistic. The dood is way too recognisable & expensive to come to Canberra.

Plus he gives off a "Beach Vibe", a lake and tumbleweed wouldnt cut it for him.
i guess i was a being a bit optimistic. but when i wrote 'realistic', i was thinking in comparision to our chances of signing other high profile players on the market.and lake burley goes alright when theres no blue-green algae warnings :sarcasm:
 

paulquinn49

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I think we need to make Shillington a priorty, we need mongrel, someone our other forwards can follow.
 

raidersforme

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Henry denies misleading players

By Philip Henderson and Peter Veness
April 01, 2008
OUTGOING Canberra coach Neil Henry denies he mislead players over his intentions to cut short his contract at the NRL club.
Henry was granted an early release from the final season of his three-year deal on Monday with the Raiders confirming current assistant David Furner will take over from Henry next season.
Henry's request came just weeks after star halfback Todd Carney turned down lucrative offers from Manly and Penrith to re-sign with the Raiders after receiving an assurance from Henry he would be at the club in 2009.
“The day before I signed I went to (Henry's) office and he said he was going to stay until at least the end of next year. He gave me his word,” Carney said at the weekend.
Henry, though, denied he had already intended to seek a release from his deal at the time of speaking to Carney three weeks ago.
“He wasn't mislead because at that stage there was no chance that I was going to be breaking a contract for 2009. I flatly refute that,” said Henry, who is expected to sign a five-year deal with North Queensland this week.
Henry spoke at length to reporters, saying the decision to leave Canberra had not been easy.
“Coaches are normally trying to hold on to their job in places,” Henry said.
“I was sort of in the position where a couple of clubs were interested in me but I was still contracted and that was difficult.”
Reports claimed Henry had a get out clause which allowed him to gain an early release from the Raiders, but chief executive Don Furner refused to go into details of Henry's contract.
“Probably Friday last, I sat back here with (Henry) and had a chat to him late in the night, that was probably the D Day,” said Don Furner, the brother of David.
“We decided that we wouldn't stand in his way. I'm sure that Neil will leave this place in a lot better shape than when he came.”
David Furner's elevation continues the family's long link with the Raiders.
Father Don was Canberra's inaugural coach in 1982 and with Wayne Bennett guided the club to their first grand final in 1987.
David Furner, a former Australian international, had a stellar playing career with the Raiders, playing 200 top-grade games. He is still the club's leading pointscorer with 1218 points in the lime green.
Today he said it was “a dream come true” to be offered the top job.
“Like anything, even with the playing days, you prepare yourself as best you can physically and mentally and I see this in the same situation.,” David Furner said.
“The remainder of the year I'll be working real close to Neil. He's (got) a fantastic work ethic and there's a lot of stuff that I'll be taking from him. It's been a very good opportunity.”
AAP



http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23468914-23214,00.html

BullS#it dog you knew, you lied, dog you even lied on sunday, dog i hope you go to centrelink dolebludgers, sure there a group 15 side but they have you're ethic's
 

RaiderRhino

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I think its great Dave Furner has been appointed , but give him the job NOW.
How about bringing Lazarus back to assist, i think his helping Kevie ?
 

reptar

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paulquinn49 said:
Its called being a professional, it would be the same as a player signing to play elsewhere (like Tonga has done) and yet they still turn up to training.

I cant see how Furner having someone more experienced than him to fall back on is a bad thing.

In the professional world, you get marched when you resign. Paying out your notice (the minimum amount possible, of course) is worth it. The professional's opinion is untenable as a representative of an organisation to its clients. I've seen what happens when you let them stay around, too.
 

skeepe

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Roy Masters certainly seems like he doesn't have much time for Neil Henry's actions:

The '80s was like the Enlightenment compared to this era
Roy Masters | April 2, 2008

SINCE when did playing rugby league mean surrendering your moral and civil rights?

Recent decisions by coaches, officials and players have seriously damaged the image of the game and mock the claim rugby league today is more transparent, honourable and less thuggish than the game played in the 1970s and '80s. Contracts were agreed by handshakes 30 years ago and coaches were expected to set an example. Yet Canberra coach Neil Henry's decision to renege on his agreement and accept the Cowboys/Broncos job for 2009 means he can't ever do a deal with a player and expect him to honour it.

OK, Wayne Bennett broke his contract with Canberra in 1987 to take his dream job in Brisbane and Phil Gould walked out of the Panthers for the Roosters but their departures weren't preceded by assurances to the playing group they would stay. No player re-signed, as Raiders half Todd Carney recently did, based on Henry's promise to see out his Canberra contract.

There was more chance of the men of the so-called Paleolithic era of coaches relying on Santa Claus than a hidden clause.

The Cowboys' Graham Murray is under siege in Townsville and Henry is unpopular with his players in Canberra, meaning he could head for North Queensland within weeks, provided he doesn't sign with Brisbane.

...

http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/new...red-to-this-era/2008/04/01/1206850910725.html
 

raidersforme

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"I'll probably leave": Costigan

By Steve Mascord and James Phelps | April 02, 2008 12:00am


QUEENSLAND Origin star Neville Costigan says he is likely to quit Canberra in response to coach Neil Henry's desertion of the capital. Henry yesterday fronted a media conference and attempted to explain why he told his players only two weeks ago that he would be staying at least until the end of his contract - only to walk away on Monday.
"Everyone is in real shock,'' the 23-year-old PNG-born forward told The Daily Telegraph. "The players were just starting to respect him and play for him. Now he's going, we have to have a rethink. Last year as a new coach, he was pretty intense, wanting to win all the time. He was hard to talk to.
"This year he was getting more easy to talk to. Now this happens. We have to start from scratch.''
Costigan - currently out injured - has a clause in his contract allowing him to leave at the end of the season and has attracted interest from Gold Coast.
"They want me to come up there in a couple of weeks for a look; I wasn't sure what to do but after this I'm leaning towards leaving,'' he said.
Halfback Todd Carney revealed details of a clear-the-air meeting with Henry but said he may not have re-signed if he knew the real situation.
"It could have changed a few things with my contract. I certainly would have taken more time. Who knows what would have happened. I definitely would have waited. The disappointing thing is he pushed me to stay.
Carney said he was "filthy'' with Henry until yesterday when he had sat down with the departing coach. "He said he didn't think he could get a release when he told me he was staying,'' Carney said. "He told me how things unfolded I am OK with it now.''

The Raiders yesterday confirmed David Furner was their new coach, the former Australia second rower describing the appointment as "a dream come true''.
Henry said: "Coaches are normally trying to hold on to their job in places. I was sort of in the position where a couple of clubs were interested in me but I was still contracted and that was difficult.''



http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/sport/nrl/story/0,26799,23468900-5006066,00.html



The start of the sh*t the dog caused, this really what we need, thanks dog
 

Sydney_Raider

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"Todd Carney was filthy", well what about loyalty to the club that kept you out of jail. Just concentrate on playing football to the level of your new salary. Something you have yet to achieve this year. I don't think a coach should be THE determining factor on whether or not you remain at the club.

As for Costigan, well everyone expects it anyway and thankfully it is one position we can cover comfortably. Good riddance, he is injury prone, mistake ridden and lacks discipline.
 

raidersforme

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Not leaving, waiting Henry on the outer in cyberspace as team Furner fills void
By Daniel Macdonald
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http://static.yourguide.com.au/images/viewimages/?image=429304&size=2
"A disgrace, a shambles, a nightmare, a farce, surely an April Fool's Day prank, a complete @#$%^ joke".It was 2am yesterday and scores of bleary-eyed Canberra Raiders fans blogged away scornfully at outgoing coach Neil Henry and the board and management of their beloved club that had let him slip out of his contract a year early.
By early yesterday afternoon, Raiders stalwart David Furner, the son of the club's foundation coach, Don senior, had been appointed as Henry's replacement on a three-year deal.
David's older brother Don, the club's loyal chief executive officer, wasn't so upbeat, mumbling that maybe he would have to go as well.
"Maybe I'll leave. I won't be there for that long, but we'll see," he answered when asked about the family coach-CEO venture.
Re-enter Simon Hawkins, the club's former CEO, who will now play middleman in any sensitive negotiations involving coach Furner that would normally have been dealt with by the CEO if he wasn't your older brother.
Influential Raiders chairman John McIntyre told The Canberra Times yesterday that the board had discussed the possible implications of having brothers in two of the most important and public positions at the club. "We mentioned at the board meeting that while Don was in the management position and having David coming on board as coach, which was certainly my preference, Simon [Hawkins] may need to come in again," McIntyre said. "[A family feud] is not in the nature of either of them but families being what families are, you know, there could be a volatile environment.
"There may be a lot of family pride on one side, but I'm just saying that there could be difficulties with two family members in those positions."
Hawkins was chief executive when he and then general manager Don Furner agreed on the get-out clause in Henry's contract.
McIntyre yesterday maintained that the entire board was ignorant of the clause which allowed Henry to escape the deal by providing just a matter of a few months' notice to the club.
He sent a blunt message to management and a promise to Raiders fans that the embarrassing mistake he has had to deal with over the past three days would never happen again while he was chairman. "This management will never do something like that again while this board is in place," he said.
Henry, meanwhile, maintained that he had no knowledge the get-out option was in his contract until he sought advice on terminating it.
He said yesterday that he made a commitment in writing to the Raiders that he would not join the North Queensland Cowboys until November.
The club have backed his pledge to see out the season regardless of results on the field.
Henry's promise to stay until the end of the season is likely to further anger some Raiders fans, who want his head on a plate.
Queanbeyan fan Kenrick Winchester summed up the sentiment, "We want someone in charge of the club who actually wants to be here. Henry's commitment isn't to the club, so why should ours be to him?"
Adding to the drama yesterday was the revelation that Origin back-rower Neville Costigan is likely to follow Henry out the door at the end of the season.
He was shocked when told of the club's decision to promote Henry's assistant David Furner to the senior coaching role. "I don't know about that one, I thought they would have at least gone after another NRL coach," he said. Costigan has already stated his desire to finish his career in Queensland and said yesterday that Henry's decision to leave the club could impact on where he chose to play next year.

http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/ne...rspace-as-team-furner-fills-void/1214547.html
 

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