David Williams no try v Raiders

[zombie jesus]

has everything to do with intent fool, what was lyon supposed to do? dissapear into thin air?

stop bringing the average IQ of us manly fans down, d*ckhead!

 

[c_eagle]

has everything to do with intent fool, what was lyon supposed to do? dissapear into thin air?

stop bringing the average IQ of us manly fans down, d*ckhead!

Haven't we already been here? Williams shouldn't have chosen to run behind Lyon. The Canberra player didn't get a fair crack at tackling him. Obviously it wasn't a deliberate obstruction but I'd say 90% of the ones pulled up aren't. You can't use a teammate as a blocker, regardless.

 

[Brookie]

Haven't we already been here? Williams shouldn't have chosen to run behind Lyon. The Canberra player didn't get a fair crack at tackling him. Obviously it wasn't a deliberate obstruction but I'd say 90% of the ones pulled up aren't. You can't use a teammate as a blocker, regardless.

he had no chance to move, or no other option unless he run backwards?
deliberate obstruction = penalty, this was not deliberate, its was accidental...

i don't think a penlty was fair, scrum for an accidental play woulda been sufficient!

 

[Where Eagles Dare]

And here is one of the inconsistencies of the video ref. P*ss it off

Exactly, what I said was tongue in cheek but seriously, how long until coaches start telling their players if they think they were offside or had run behind a teammate then to deliberately be tackled before the line so the video ref can't pull it up?

 

[Dutchy]

For f**ks sake Snoz!!

Why?

 

[Raider_69]

he had no chance to move, or no other option unless he run backwards?
deliberate obstruction = penalty, this was not deliberate, its was accidental...

i don't think a penlty was fair, scrum for an accidental play woulda been sufficient!

If his options were to run behind a player obstructing our defenders, or running backwards, he should have run backwards or as many do now, stopped and surrendered in the tackle
he elected to run behind players obstructing defenders, penalty is the only option after that.

 

[Brookie]

there was no time for lyon to get out of the way - so9 it wasn't a choice for williams to take anyother path, anyone who seen the game would realise lyon would've had to have just dissapeared into thin air to avoid the penalty!

manly won, but it would've caused an uproar if they lost

 

[Raider_69]

there was no time for lyon to get out of the way - so9 it wasn't a choice for williams to take anyother path, anyone who seen the game would realise lyon would've had to have just dissapeared into thin air to avoid the penalty!

manly won, but it would've caused an uproar if they lost

Lyon cant disappear, so Williams should have as i suggested in the previous post, stopped and surrendered in a tackle. happens just about every week, a player runs behinds, obstructs a defender, realises, stops and conceeds to a tackle, and usually the ref takes disgression and plays on as no advantage was gained... in this case, an advantage was gained from an obstruction, it had to be a penalty, there would be zero up roar had it cost them the game as it was 100%, without any doubts, the correct call

why is that so hard to understand?

 

[Brookie]

Lyon cant disappear, so Williams should have as i suggested in the previous post, stopped and surrendered in a tackle. happens just about every week, a player runs behinds, obstructs a defender, realises, stops and conceeds to a tackle, and usually the ref takes disgression and plays on as no advantage was gained... in this case, an advantage was gained from an obstruction, it had to be a penalty, there would be zero up roar had it cost them the game as it was 100%, without any doubts, the correct call

why is that so hard to understand?

says the faiders fan....lol:roll:

 

[Dutchy]

I agree Raids. But I also reckon you would be complaining a lot of the shoe was on the other foot.

Stop feeding the nubs

 

[Raider_69]

I agree Raids. But I also reckon you would be complaining a lot of the shoe was on the other foot.

Stop feeding the nubs

I love a good bitch and whinge about a refereeing decision, but i dont think even i could find something to complain about with this decision. Its very clear cut, williams ran behind lyon, who obstructed a defending player, there by impeeding him from a fair tackle attempt on williams, williams and the eagles gained significant advantage from said obstruction... thats pretty much a text book obstruction :lol:

 

[Harold Bishop]

Don't agree with the rule, but it clearly states if any defender is impeded by an opposition player, it is an obstruction.
No try was the right call.

 

[Brookie]

the rule book says:
obstruction can be either active, passive or accidental. passive obstruction is where a player impedes an opponent by deliberately remaining in his path although he has the opportunity to remove himself. if a player is in the position which is likely to cause obstruction and he feels that any movement by him may aggrovate the situation he should raise his hands above his head and thus indicating to the referee that he is taking no part in the play. Where accidental obstruction irregularly affects the play, the game should be stopped and restarted with a scrum. If play is not affected then the game should not be stopped.

Should have been a scrum, not a Canberra penalty.

 

[Misty Bee]

Should have been a penalty. Lyon got in the way. End of story. correct call.

 

[Jatz Crackers]

Should have been a penalty. Lyon got in the way. End of story. correct call.

Do you have a view on the rules as stated above ?

 

[Frailty]

the rule book says:
obstruction can be either active, passive or accidental. passive obstruction is where a player impedes an opponent by deliberately remaining in his path although he has the opportunity to remove himself. if a player is in the position which is likely to cause obstruction and he feels that any movement by him may aggrovate the situation he should raise his hands above his head and thus indicating to the referee that he is taking no part in the play. Where accidental obstruction irregularly affects the play, the game should be stopped and restarted with a scrum. If play is not affected then the game should not be stopped.

Should have been a scrum, not a Canberra penalty.

Lyon was in a position which he was likely to cause obstruction, yet he did nothing to move out of the way, nor did he raise his hands up to indicate that he was afraid movement would get in the way.

However, as demonstrated earlier, Williams had other options rather than run DIRECTLY next to his own player. It also comes down to a matter of practicallity. Either way you have it manly fans, if it was a scrum, Canberra would have had the feed as they were considered the attacking team.

 

[skeepe]

Is the whinge from Manly fans following this match the biggest whinge by a WINNING team in recent memory? Honestly, it's completely pathetic. What a bunch of sooks.

 

[c_eagle]

Is the whinge from Manly fans following this match the biggest whinge by a WINNING team in recent memory? Honestly, it's completely pathetic. What a bunch of sooks.

Mate, we copped the rawest deal against the Dragons last week. We lost a player against Canberra for a tackle that is just put on report 99% of the time. We have a right to feel slighted.

As for the semantics over the decision being a penalty or a scrum, well, is it really all that pressing? Regardless, we don't get a try and they get the ball deep in our half. This is the last thing I'm going to say on the matter as I refuse to argue with idiots.

 

[Brookie]

yeah my only beef is with the decision, not the no try!

scrum, not penalty shoulda been the call.
its just funny most saying that penalty was the right call, you make up the rules as you go or to suit your hate towards manly!

 

[Snoz]

Is the whinge from Manly fans following this match the biggest whinge by a WINNING team in recent memory? Honestly, it's completely pathetic. What a bunch of sooks.

not a whinge - just complaining about a rule that needs a little tweaking

players returning kicks run thru traffic everytime they make a break returning a kick - therefore potentially there is a penalty every time this happens.

going to be lovely when slater/minachellio/stewart etc make a bust like that and score the try to win the grand final but some slow lazy forward from the opposition just makes sure he is standing next to an opposition player to have this stupid obstruction penalty awarded.

don't laugh cause it will happen !!!!