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Defector Bateman

Nutz

First Grade
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I just watched Bateman play again in the semi, Warrington against HKR.
He basically played a traditional right outside centre role. He compounded Hull's inability to have any form of successful backline attacking shape. He made a couple of hit ups and that was it. What was Burgess thinking...don't they have any backs?
Bateman was a complete waste of time over there imo and it's a no brainer why Warrington didn't bail him out with his WT'S contract.
He is shaping up as one of our worst signings ever.
He's too small for an NRL impact edge player and far too Ill-disciplined.
Sione Finau is far better suited to the NRL and may miss out because we bought a lemon in Bateman.
Dear God I hope he makes me eat my words.
 

Das Hassler

Bench
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I just watched Bateman play again in the semi, Warrington against HKR.
He basically played a traditional right outside centre role. He compounded Hull's inability to have any form of successful backline attacking shape. He made a couple of hit ups and that was it. What was Burgess thinking...don't they have any backs?
Bateman was a complete waste of time over there imo and it's a no brainer why Warrington didn't bail him out with his WT'S contract.
He is shaping up as one of our worst signings ever.
He's too small for an NRL impact edge player and far too Ill-disciplined.
Sione Finau is far better suited to the NRL and may miss out because we bought a lemon in Bateman.
Dear God I hope he makes me eat my words.

He shouldn't have a guaranteed first grade spot...he'll cost us exactly the same if he's in state cup and would very likely agitate for a release if he stayed there
 

Nutz

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He shouldn't have a guaranteed first grade spot...he'll cost us exactly the same if he's in state cup and would very likely agitate for a release if he stayed there
John Bateman and Briton Nikora have identical bodies for edge players but I know who I'd rather have in my team and it ain't Johnny.
 

Tiger05

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It’s behind there pay wall, which I wouldn’t pay, these days.
If anyone has it?

For you mate:-

Manly have re-emerged as a potential landing spot for John Bateman after the players union was called in to resolve the latest dispute between the English forward and his NRL club, the Wests Tigers.

The development adds another tense chapterin the previously untold story of Bateman’s falling out with Wests Tigers coach Benji Marshall, which has been simmering for months behind the scenes at the Sydney club, and explains why the 31-year-old moved to Warrington midway through last season.

Heralded as a “world class player” by premiership-winning coach Tim Sheens upon his arrival at the Tigers in 2023, Bateman has likely played his last game for the club.

It can be revealed that the Tigers would be happy to let Bateman go and would even chip in part of his $750,000 salary to make it happen, such has been the fractious relationship between the player and officials at the club.

Chief executive Shane Richardson and the Tigers are backing Marshall to the hilt, making it clear that Bateman must toe the line or spend the season in NSW Cup.

The Sea Eagles could prove the solution to a saga that stretches back to last July, having expressed an interest in the 30-Test forward for 2025, if they can make the deal stack up.

Whether Bateman is part of the Tigers’ future remain unclear. Chances are he will be gone and when he is, it will draw the curtain on a six-month saga that pitted one of the club’s highest-paid players, a ruthless and unapologetic competitor, against a coach and favourite son.

This is a look inside the Bateman saga - how it began, why the club would be happy to part ways with Bateman, and why the Rugby League Players Association became involved.

THE MOMENT
Round 20, 2024: Wests Tigers beaten 42-28 by the Rabbitohs in Gosford.

This was the match that changed everything for Bateman. It would be his final game of the season - possibly ever - for the Wests Tigers.

Trailing South Sydney 10-0 nil after 12-minutes, the Wests Tigers rallied to lead 12-10 after 20-minutes when rookie hooker Tallyn Da Silva went himself to score.

It was a match the Wests Tigers could’ve and should’ve won, playing tit-for-tat football with Souths for the majority of the match.

Yet with 16-minutes remaining the Bunnies led by only six-points.

The final 11-minutes were ordinary from the Tigers with their whopping 17 errors, including a wild back-field pass from fullback Jahream Bula to inexperienced winger Luke Laulilii contributing to the Rabbitohs running away with the match.

Inside the dressing rooms after full time, Bateman - the intense competitive character that he is, sat filthy and staring into the abyss. As Marshall spoke to the team, Bateman didn’t like the sound of the head coach’s post-match tone, where the veteran forward felt the responsibility of the loss was being directed at the senior players.

Marshall would suggest as much in the post-match press conference: “I thought the kids were really good today. I think some of our senior players probably can be a bit better.

“But at the end of the day it’s on me.”

So frustrated was Bateman that teammate Adam Doueihi, in just his fifth game back after more than 12-months out, was asked to attend the post-match press conference instead of the English forward.

The late swap slipped under the guard of the awaiting media. The next day, sources with knowledge of the situation, have explained how Bateman spoke to Marshall to further vent his frustration with having to shoulder the load for a young squad that Marshall was intent on blooding.

Bateman was also upset with Marshall’s positivity and up-beat review of the side’s loss to the Rabbitohs.

The hard-nosed Englishman was of the belief that the team needed some home truths.

Yet it’s understood Marshall doubled-down on his backing of the rookies, believing the responsibility fell on the senior players - some of whom were among the highest paid in the club - to drag the Tigers out of their quagmire.

Sources with knowledge of the meeting said that Marshall made it clear that Bateman would be playing reserve grade the next week.

And he wouldn’t be the only player dropped either. At least one other senior player was about to be axed, his place in first grade only saved when injury to the intended to be promoted player occurred.

Bateman left that meeting burning with frustration and anger. It was the last meeting he would have with Marshall - that night Warrington coach Sam Burgess called Richardson and offered to take Bateman off his hands for the rest of the season.

Richardson and the Tigers couldn’t say yes quick enough.

RLPA CALLED TO STEP-IN

Bateman played 10 games for Warrington through last season, his time ending in a sem-final loss to Hull KR six weeks ago.

Once his commitment with Warrington was over, Bateman stayed in England to play in two Test matches against Samoa.

Burgess wanted to keep Bateman at Warrington, but the experienced second-rower was intent on returning to the NRL, particularly due to his wife being Australian and who also boasts a high-flying job.

“I’ll be spending my time with my family but after Christmas I’ll be back there,” Bateman told NRL.com from England last month.

That wasn’t the end of the drama. The Tigers initially told Bateman he was due back at training before Christmas, on December 21.

Bateman had other ideas - he was of the belief he should be off until December 28, which would have been when the Tigers were on their Christmas break, meaning he wouldn’t return to training until the new year.

It is understood Bateman provided a letter from Warrington supporting his claim that he should be given extra time off.

The parties were once again at loggerheads, leading to the intervention of the Rugby League Players Association to resolve another stalemate between the club and one of their highest-paid players.

With the paperwork in front of them, the RLPA sided with Bateman, delaying his return to a club where he is not necessarily welcome.

NO APOLOGIES

Richardson and the Tigers are making no apologies for cleaning house.

The club has been in a decade-long firestorm that has frustrated fans and resulted in an extreme turnover of leadership, structures, coaches, players and staff.

“Players have to live up to what the standards are of a team that’s going to be successful,” Richardson said.

“There’s no stone unturned about the discipline the club requires to be successful. I’ve got to say overall, I’ve had no major pushback on that.”

What can also be revealed is that Bateman won’t be the only departure.

The club is locked in a legal battle with young prop Jordan Miller after sacking him over disciplinary issues.

Other changes are afoot, the most significant the expected departure of half Jayden Sullivan, who was offered for virtually nothing to return to his former club the Dragons.

Saints weren’t interested. The concern with Sullivan isn’t related to discipline or team harmony. Officials at the club like Sullivan and have no concerns with his work ethic or personality.

The issue is that the club is overloaded in the halves and Sullivan is on a fat contract that means their salary cap and squad are out of sync.

There is also a focus on bringing in the right senior figures to lead the way. The hope is that Penrith premiership winner Jarome Luai can be their talisman in that regard.

“People say to me all the time, how do you get clubs out of the mire,” Richardson said.

“It’s three things - people, people and people. You’ve got to have the right people in place and the right players in place to be able to change the culture the way you want to be and the right disciplines in place.

“It’s not unusual. It’s actually what every decent club does. The good clubs - the senior players lead by example. It’s as simple as that.”

CULTURE CLUB
Richardson is coming up to his one-year anniversary in the job and makes it very clear there will be no cutting corners when it comes to the culture at the club.
The Tigers have won three wooden spoons in succession. They have gone a decade without playing finals football and the club has made a series of poor recruitment calls that have left them in a hole.
The hope is that the emergence of young players like Lachlan Galvin and the arrival of Luai will address some of the issues.
Bateman isn’t alone in the belief that Marshall has handed too much power, too soon, to the club’s most talented rookies led by Galvin - a storyline that will develop as the 2025 season unfolds.
Until then, discipline has become a focus of the offseason and no doubt played a part in the decision to distance themselves from Bateman.
Richardson has made it eminently clear that Marshall has his unmitigated support. It’s Benji’s way or the highway.
“It doesn’t matter whether it is John Bateman or anybody else in the club, we have to create discipline and a support mechanism behind the head coach,” Richardson said.
“And I support that 100 percent. So the players have got to understand that Benji’s way is the way. It’s as simple as that.
“And if they want to play first grade at the club, they have to understand it is under what Benji’s rules are. It’s got nothing to do with between young players and older players.
“You’re paying the older players more money and they should be well aware of what their responsibilities are now.
“We have won three straight wooden spoons. We are just not not going to accept anything that is not absolutely of the higher standards for culture and for training and everything else.
“So it’s not just about John Bateman, it’s about everybody.”
 

Tiger05

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Other changes are afoot, the most significant the expected departure of half Jayden Sullivan, who was offered for virtually nothing to return to his former club the Dragons.

This is gold too.

I want to see the back of Bateman and Sullivan asap. I don't know what they are like around the club and I don't really care. They cost us way too much for what they deliver. It's simply a business decision.
 

Tigerm

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For you mate:-

Manly have re-emerged as a potential landing spot for John Bateman after the players union was called in to resolve the latest dispute between the English forward and his NRL club, the Wests Tigers.

The development adds another tense chapterin the previously untold story of Bateman’s falling out with Wests Tigers coach Benji Marshall, which has been simmering for months behind the scenes at the Sydney club, and explains why the 31-year-old moved to Warrington midway through last season.

Heralded as a “world class player” by premiership-winning coach Tim Sheens upon his arrival at the Tigers in 2023, Bateman has likely played his last game for the club.

It can be revealed that the Tigers would be happy to let Bateman go and would even chip in part of his $750,000 salary to make it happen, such has been the fractious relationship between the player and officials at the club.

Chief executive Shane Richardson and the Tigers are backing Marshall to the hilt, making it clear that Bateman must toe the line or spend the season in NSW Cup.

The Sea Eagles could prove the solution to a saga that stretches back to last July, having expressed an interest in the 30-Test forward for 2025, if they can make the deal stack up.

Whether Bateman is part of the Tigers’ future remain unclear. Chances are he will be gone and when he is, it will draw the curtain on a six-month saga that pitted one of the club’s highest-paid players, a ruthless and unapologetic competitor, against a coach and favourite son.

This is a look inside the Bateman saga - how it began, why the club would be happy to part ways with Bateman, and why the Rugby League Players Association became involved.

THE MOMENT
Round 20, 2024: Wests Tigers beaten 42-28 by the Rabbitohs in Gosford.

This was the match that changed everything for Bateman. It would be his final game of the season - possibly ever - for the Wests Tigers.

Trailing South Sydney 10-0 nil after 12-minutes, the Wests Tigers rallied to lead 12-10 after 20-minutes when rookie hooker Tallyn Da Silva went himself to score.

It was a match the Wests Tigers could’ve and should’ve won, playing tit-for-tat football with Souths for the majority of the match.

The final 11-minutes were ordinary from the Tigers with their whopping 17 errors, including a wild back-field pass from fullback Jahream Bula to inexperienced winger Luke Laulilii contributing to the Rabbitohs running away with the match.

Inside the dressing rooms after full time, Bateman - the intense competitive character that he is, sat filthy and staring into the abyss. As Marshall spoke to the team, Bateman didn’t like the sound of the head coach’s post-match tone, where the veteran forward felt the responsibility of the loss was being directed at the senior players.

Marshall would suggest as much in the post-match press conference: “I thought the kids were really good today. I think some of our senior players probably can be a bit better.

“But at the end of the day it’s on me.”

So frustrated was Bateman that teammate Adam Doueihi, in just his fifth game back after more than 12-months out, was asked to attend the post-match press conference instead of the English forward.

The late swap slipped under the guard of the awaiting media. The next day, sources with knowledge of the situation, have explained how Bateman spoke to Marshall to further vent his frustration with having to shoulder the load for a young squad that Marshall was intent on blooding.

Bateman was also upset with Marshall’s positivity and up-beat review of the side’s loss to the Rabbitohs.

The hard-nosed Englishman was of the belief that the team needed some home truths.

Yet it’s understood Marshall doubled-down on his backing of the rookies, believing the responsibility fell on the senior players - some of whom were among the highest paid in the club - to drag the Tigers out of their quagmire.

Sources with knowledge of the meeting said that Marshall made it clear that Bateman would be playing reserve grade the next week.

And he wouldn’t be the only player dropped either. At least one other senior player was about to be axed, his place in first grade only saved when injury to the intended to be promoted player occurred.

Bateman left that meeting burning with frustration and anger. It was the last meeting he would have with Marshall - that night Warrington coach Sam Burgess called Richardson and offered to take Bateman off his hands for the rest of the season.

Richardson and the Tigers couldn’t say yes quick enough.

RLPA CALLED TO STEP-IN

Bateman played 10 games for Warrington through last season, his time ending in a sem-final loss to Hull KR six weeks ago.

Once his commitment with Warrington was over, Bateman stayed in England to play in two Test matches against Samoa.

Burgess wanted to keep Bateman at Warrington, but the experienced second-rower was intent on returning to the NRL, particularly due to his wife being Australian and who also boasts a high-flying job.

“I’ll be spending my time with my family but after Christmas I’ll be back there,” Bateman told NRL.com from England last month.

That wasn’t the end of the drama. The Tigers initially told Bateman he was due back at training before Christmas, on December 21.

Bateman had other ideas - he was of the belief he should be off until December 28, which would have been when the Tigers were on their Christmas break, meaning he wouldn’t return to training until the new year.

It is understood Bateman provided a letter from Warrington supporting his claim that he should be given extra time off.

The parties were once again at loggerheads, leading to the intervention of the Rugby League Players Association to resolve another stalemate between the club and one of their highest-paid players.

With the paperwork in front of them, the RLPA sided with Bateman, delaying his return to a club where he is not necessarily welcome.

“Players have to live up to what the standards are of a team that’s going to be successful,” Richardson said.

“There’s no stone unturned about the discipline the club requires to be successful. I’ve got to say overall, I’ve had no major pushback on that.”
Cheers,
Can’t disagree with this.
It’s a pity he doesn’t have a bit more coaching experience, our last game is in my mind.
But it’s not up to players, especially highly paid players, to sound off to the coach in front of the team.
Anyway, I hope he’s gone.
 

Nutz

First Grade
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This is gold too.

I want to see the back of Bateman and Sullivan asap. I don't know what they are like around the club and I don't really care. They cost us way too much for what they deliver. It's simply a business decision.
I like Sullivan. He's having a go and wanted to stay. At least he tried to sing the team's winning song with gusto ;) It's not his fault we stuffed up.

All I can say is Richo is a strong bugger and good luck trying to push him around in business.
 

BrotherJim05

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It's such a relief having Richo at the helm. It reminds me of that scene in the Godfather where they are discussing the difference in having a businessman as Consigliere or someone fit for a mafia war. Also similar to choosing Churchill as PM during WW2. They needed a wartime leader. Someone with experience fighting Germans.

Richo is very much the wartime CEO
 

Nutz

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It's such a relief having Richo at the helm. It reminds me of that scene in the Godfather where they are discussing the difference in having a businessman as Consigliere or someone fit for a mafia war. Also similar to choosing Churchill as PM during WW2. They needed a wartime leader. Someone with experience fighting Germans.

Richo is very much the wartime CEO
It's such a relief having Richo at the helm. It reminds me of that scene in the Godfather where they are discussing the difference in having a businessman as Consigliere or someone fit for a mafia war. Also similar to choosing Churchill as PM during WW2. They needed a wartime leader. Someone with experience fighting Germans.

Richo is very much the wartime CEO
Your obviously an Englishman Brother as Churchill sold us short during WW2. But your right, having a leader like bullfrog really helped the English get through those darkest hours to their finest hours.
We had a great leader as PM in John Curtin just after Singapore fell to the Japanese and we struggled to keep them from our doorstep in PNG.
Churchill demanded the Aussies stay and fight in many theatres of war overseas but Curtin held his ground and with our returning troops they helped stem the attacks from the Japanese.
My dad who was fighting in the Pacific and was stationed in Darwin when it was being bombed said Curtain saved us as much as our troops did.
Churchill was a bully too. He got what England needed.
 

Tigerm

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History could be repeating at the Wests Tigers with high-profile NRL player agent Isaac Moses expanding his client base at the club.

Moses was at the centre of negotiations in 2017 when the Tigers lost stars James Tedesco, Aaron Woods and Mitchell Moses in the same year.

Moses was deregistered by the NRL for 18 months between 2021 and 2022, but he’s since returned to his throne as the game’s most powerful player agent.

Tigers young gun Jahream Bula is on the cusp of signing with Moses, who already has rising star Lachlan Galvin on his books, according to The SMH.

Moses is already fighting with the Tigers over the future of another client, John Bateman, who looks set to join Wayne Bennett’s Rabbitohs.

Bula is in the market for a new agent because his former manager, Liam Ayoub, has joined the Bulldogs’ staff as a recruiter.

The 22-year-old fullback is signed at the Tigers until the end of 2027 on a contract worth up to $900,000 per season.

Bula is considered the future of the club but Moses may push to renegotiate his deal to ensure the controversial agent earns his commission.

Bateman and Tigers coach Benji Marshall had a falling out earlier this year over perceived unfair treatment and the Englishman was released to Warrington in July on a loan deal.

Marshall wants him gone but Bateman, who is still in England, has two years to run on his contract worth $650,000 per season.

The Tigers have reportedly offered to pay up to $350,000 per season of Bateman’s contract and the backrower is deep into talks with Souths.

It comes after the Tigers contacted the Rugby League Players’ Association last month about Bateman’s leave entitlements and to find out exactly when he is due back at training.

The RLPA crosschecked the collective bargaining agreement pertaining to loan deals and assessed that Bateman was required to show up to work on December 21.

That is the final day of pre-season before the two-week Christmas break and the Tigers played hardball by insisting the 31-year-old fly back from England and show up for one day of training.

But Moses was able to change the RLPA’s return date by providing evidence that his client made corporate appearances in the week after the Wolves’ final game, which in effect extended his annual leave.
 

Tigerm

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History could be repeating at the Wests Tigers with high-profile NRL player agent Isaac Moses expanding his client base at the club.

Moses was at the centre of negotiations in 2017 when the Tigers lost stars James Tedesco, Aaron Woods and Mitchell Moses in the same year.

Moses was deregistered by the NRL for 18 months between 2021 and 2022, but he’s since returned to his throne as the game’s most powerful player agent.

Tigers young gun Jahream Bula is on the cusp of signing with Moses, who already has rising star Lachlan Galvin on his books, according to The SMH.

Moses is already fighting with the Tigers over the future of another client, John Bateman, who looks set to join Wayne Bennett’s Rabbitohs.

Bula is in the market for a new agent because his former manager, Liam Ayoub, has joined the Bulldogs’ staff as a recruiter.

The 22-year-old fullback is signed at the Tigers until the end of 2027 on a contract worth up to $900,000 per season.

Bula is considered the future of the club but Moses may push to renegotiate his deal to ensure the controversial agent earns his commission.

Bateman and Tigers coach Benji Marshall had a falling out earlier this year over perceived unfair treatment and the Englishman was released to Warrington in July on a loan deal.

Marshall wants him gone but Bateman, who is still in England, has two years to run on his contract worth $650,000 per season.

The Tigers have reportedly offered to pay up to $350,000 per season of Bateman’s contract and the backrower is deep into talks with Souths.

It comes after the Tigers contacted the Rugby League Players’ Association last month about Bateman’s leave entitlements and to find out exactly when he is due back at training.

The RLPA crosschecked the collective bargaining agreement pertaining to loan deals and assessed that Bateman was required to show up to work on December 21.

That is the final day of pre-season before the two-week Christmas break and the Tigers played hardball by insisting the 31-year-old fly back from England and show up for one day of training.

But Moses was able to change the RLPA’s return date by providing evidence that his client made corporate appearances in the week after the Wolves’ final game, which in effect extended his annual leave.
Not sure who to believe, but Zero Tackle have Bula on $700k per year?
 

Tiger Ted

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Not sure who to believe, but Zero Tackle have Bula on $700k per year?
Whatever Bula is on he isn’t worth it.If he ends up joining with the wretched prick Isaac Moses I can’t see him remaining with us long term as the dickhead agent will soon seek an upgrade not commensurate with Bula’s ability or form.
 

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