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[Tom155]

 

[Tom155]

 

[Tom155]

Now get permission to interview him, looking like he will be the new OC

 

[Tom155]

 

[Firey_Dragon]

Schefter reporting Scangarello is now official. Hard to not get excited about this coaching line up, on paper it is top 5 in the league if it pans out.

Hopefully part of the deal to interview him was some agreement for a trade up to 2 so we can get Haskins or Murray

 

[DC_fan]

Flaccid to the Broncos for a mid-round draft pick. So it appears the Broncos didn’t give up a whole lot, but what did they get in return.

Well they got a 34 year old quarterback who is much closer to the end of his career then the beginning. But I suppose those years does bring experience. Flacco was replaced as starter with the Ravens this past season which is not a good sign. Prior to that he played full seasons in 9 of 10 seasons. So he has been injury free. Has had only rwo seasons out of eleven where his rating topped 90. The last being 2014. Touchdowns wise you also have to go back to 2014 to find his best season when he threw for 27. He has never been a big touchdown passer, but throwing for tds was never a big part of the Ravens game.

 

[Firey_Dragon]

Eh I don't hate this move. Flacco is an upgrade over Keenum in that he can stretch the field which will open the run game, which should be the key focus of our offence.

It means we avoid signing Big Dick Nick or someone else with heavy guarantees, so we can keep Flacco for 1 year or 3, without consequence given there are no guarantees in his contract.

Keenums cap hit is 7m, if he gets signed by anyone, that gets reduced because there is offset language in his contract. Effectively this trade is a minor upgrade for a 4th rounder and a loss of up to 7m in cap space, but likely in the 3-6m range.

Flacco is similar in style to the sort of offense you would build around someone like Drew Lock, Keenum is more like a Will Grier. Interesting times, but if anything, I think this actually means Broncos are still likely taking a QB 1st round and allowing them to develop at their own pace, without the pressure of pushing them straight in as a starter. It just means they're not forced to throw everything into moving up to get someone.

Flacco is a mediocre QB, he is a definite step up from Keenum though.

 

[Tom155]

f**k me Elway wtf are you doing, Flacco isn't an upgrade from Keenum at all, they are basically the same QB and he's 34 with injuries, now they have 30-40 million plus tied up in two crappy QB's, Elway's getting absolutely slammed for this move and rightfully so. Only need to draft Drew Lock to complete this mess or Eli 2020?

 

[Firey_Dragon]

f**k me Elway wtf are you doing, Flacco isn't an upgrade from Keenum at all, they are basically the same QB and he's 34 with injuries, now they have 30-40 million plus tied up in two crappy QB's, Elway's getting absolutely slammed for this move and rightfully so. Only need to draft Drew Lock to complete this mess or Eli 2020

This sealed Keenums fate.

As bad as Flacco may be, Keenum is worse. Riding it out with Keenum likely wouldn't have saved much money but having a dink and dunk game that Keenum couldn't even execute would hurt our run game, teams knew Lindsay was all we had by the end of the season so they stacked the box.

Having a bridge QB with no guarantees is a pretty good spot to be in, you don't get that with any of the other QBs on the market. So it's really only a matter of whether one thinks Keenum, a guy who has had one good season in his career with one of the best receiver corps in the league, is better than someone who has had a long career as a starter. Flacco has only ever had 2 losing seasons, both seasons he was injured and didn't play out the season. Keenum has only ever had a single winning season.

2008: 11-5
2009: 9-7
2010: 12-4
2011: 12-4
2012: 10-6
2013: 8-8
2014: 10-6
2015: 3-7
2016: 8-8
2017: 9-7
2018: 4-5

If you don't have a QB to take this year, you aren't stuck trying to negotiate a contract next year and can bail whenever you want.

Keenum was lucky to be the starter all season, if Kelly wasn't a moron, he would have been swapped out by week 5. Keenum had 18 TD's and 15 INTs in a season, Flacco had 12 TDs and 6 INTs in 9 games. Comparing multiple seasons is irrelevant, the Vikings season was an aberration, Keenum was pretty much the worst QB in the league with some pretty good weapons in Lindsay, Sutton, Sanders, DT while Flacco had John Brown and Crabtree.

 

[Tom155]

This sealed Keenums fate.

As bad as Flacco may be, Keenum is worse. Riding it out with Keenum likely wouldn't have saved much money but having a dink and dunk game that Keenum couldn't even execute would hurt our run game, teams knew Lindsay was all we had by the end of the season so they stacked the box.

Having a bridge QB with no guarantees is a pretty good spot to be in, you don't get that with any of the other QBs on the market. So it's really only a matter of whether one thinks Keenum, a guy who has had one good season in his career with one of the best receiver corps in the league, is better than someone who has had a long career as a starter. Flacco has only ever had 2 losing seasons, both seasons he was injured and didn't play out the season. Keenum has only ever had a single winning season.

2008: 11-5
2009: 9-7
2010: 12-4
2011: 12-4
2012: 10-6
2013: 8-8
2014: 10-6
2015: 3-7
2016: 8-8
2017: 9-7
2018: 4-5

If you don't have a QB to take this year, you aren't stuck trying to negotiate a contract next year and can bail whenever you want.

Keenum was lucky to be the starter all season, if Kelly wasn't a moron, he would have been swapped out by week 5. Keenum had 18 TD's and 15 INTs in a season, Flacco had 12 TDs and 6 INTs in 9 games. Comparing multiple seasons is irrelevant, the Vikings season was an aberration, Keenum was pretty much the worst QB in the league with some pretty good weapons in Lindsay, Sutton, Sanders, DT while Flacco had John Brown and Crabtree.

Doesn't matter which way you try and slice it mate it's a terrible move just like how people tried to justify the Keenum move as well as all the others it's a desperate move & panic moves don't often work in the NFL, Flacco has not been good for a lot of seasons now & wasn't that great a QB at his best, he was benched for a guy that has trouble throwing the ball & now hes 34 + carrying some serious injury concerns, Elway doesn't learn from his mistakes.

QB wins is a terrible irrelevant stat football is a team game & now we have 2 bad QB on big money even if we cut or trade Case and a ton of holes to fill with not a lot of cap space to fill them. Over the last four seasons—with a better supporting cast around him than he'll have in 2019 Flacco was three games under .500. He threw 46 interceptions over that span and posted an 82.7 passer rating.

This will blow up in Elway's face just like the other QB moves did.

 

[Tom155]

This sealed Keenums fate.

As bad as Flacco may be, Keenum is worse. Riding it out with Keenum likely wouldn't have saved much money but having a dink and dunk game that Keenum couldn't even execute would hurt our run game, teams knew Lindsay was all we had by the end of the season so they stacked the box.

Having a bridge QB with no guarantees is a pretty good spot to be in, you don't get that with any of the other QBs on the market. So it's really only a matter of whether one thinks Keenum, a guy who has had one good season in his career with one of the best receiver corps in the league, is better than someone who has had a long career as a starter. Flacco has only ever had 2 losing seasons, both seasons he was injured and didn't play out the season. Keenum has only ever had a single winning season.

2008: 11-5
2009: 9-7
2010: 12-4
2011: 12-4
2012: 10-6
2013: 8-8
2014: 10-6
2015: 3-7
2016: 8-8
2017: 9-7
2018: 4-5

If you don't have a QB to take this year, you aren't stuck trying to negotiate a contract next year and can bail whenever you want.

Keenum was lucky to be the starter all season, if Kelly wasn't a moron, he would have been swapped out by week 5. Keenum had 18 TD's and 15 INTs in a season, Flacco had 12 TDs and 6 INTs in 9 games. Comparing multiple seasons is irrelevant, the Vikings season was an aberration, Keenum was pretty much the worst QB in the league with some pretty good weapons in Lindsay, Sutton, Sanders, DT while Flacco had John Brown and Crabtree.

Yeah no it's not at all

Flacco has had more talent around in the past however many years than he will have next year and he performed like shit, but putting him behind one of the leagues worst o-lines, throwing to a few 2nd year WR'S + Sanders maybe coming off a torn achilles & god knows who at TE & he's going to be better? C'mon mate you are smarter than that.

 

[Mr Angry]

Tom Brady has made every QB more attractive in their 30's than ever before.

 

[Tom155]

Not surprised at all of the reports Elway loves Drew Lock he fits the type of QB Elway likes to a T

 

[Tom155]

Changing topics bit late on this but great to see Pat Bowlen finally get in the HOF overdue + Champ 1st ballot the first Broncos defensive player in the HOF amazingly

 

[Firey_Dragon]

Doesn't matter which way you try and slice it mate it's a terrible move just like how people tried to justify the Keenum move as well as all the others it's a desperate move & panic moves don't often work in the NFL, Flacco has not been good for a lot of seasons now & wasn't that great a QB at his best, he was benched for a guy that has trouble throwing the ball & now hes 34 + carrying some serious injury concerns, Elway doesn't learn from his mistakes.

QB wins is a terrible irrelevant stat football is a team game & now we have 2 bad QB on big money even if we cut or trade Case and a ton of holes to fill with not a lot of cap space to fill them. Over the last four seasons—with a better supporting cast around him than he'll have in 2019 Flacco was three games under .500. He threw 46 interceptions over that span and posted an 82.7 passer rating.

This will blow up in Elway's face just like the other QB moves did.

A panic move would have been getting Foles, Bortles or Bridgewater. Flacco in year 1 will be on $500,000 more than Keenum, that's it. If they move Keenum on, which they will, any of his salary will reduce the dead cap hit of up to $7m. Keenum will easily fetch at least a few million, Chase Daniel is on $5m for example.

If Flacco doesn't pan out, they can even drop him before the season starts for the loss of a 4th round pick, big deal.

Keenum was DOA this year and even if he wasn't, they would have repeated this carousel next year, while needing to provide significant guarantees IF they didn't draft a QB this year. Flacco isn't a great QB, but he was the most experienced and had by far the least commitment required.

If it blows up in Elways face, he cuts him without issue. Foles and whatnot would have been impossible to do so, even though he would still fit into the same group of players as Keenum or Flacco. It's highly questionable whether they plan to retain Flacco for more than a year, they'll end up drafting a QB.

Also in response to your other post, I don't know why you seem to think the Broncos O-line is much worse than the Ravens. Keenum averaged one of the longest time to throw in the league. His protection was decent and they opened up some great lanes for Lindsay, coupled with hiring Munchak this year.

Assuming Keenum was gone, who else would you have recruited?

 

[Tom155]

I would've just rolled with Keenum to see out his last year on his deal unless you could get Haskins in this years draft & then draft a QB in a better draft class next year rather than losing a draft pick even a mid round one & bringing in another dud QB on almost 19mill that could be used to improve the team elsewhere like CB or the o-line for example that's been a problem for many years now, Even if we cut Keenum that's $10m in dead cap money, plus if we end up cutting Flacco that will be more dead money on an already tight cap for a team with a lot of holes.

As for Broncos o-line being better than the Ravens you need to watch more football mate, Munchak will help though, we can revisit this next year & you can make more excuses then.

 

[Tom155]

& maybe consider giving Teddy a shot depending on price

 

[Firey_Dragon]

I would've just rolled with Keenum to see out his last year on his deal unless you could get Haskins in this years draft & then draft a QB in a better draft class next year rather than losing a draft pick even a mid round one & bringing in another dud QB on almost 19mill that could be used to improve the team elsewhere like CB or the o-line for example that's been a problem for many years now, Even if we cut Keenum that's $10m in dead cap money, plus if we end up cutting Flacco that will be more dead money on an already tight cap for a team with a lot of holes.

As for Broncos o-line being better than the Ravens you need to watch more football mate, Munchak will help though, we can revisit this next year & you can make more excuses then.

You never know how a QB draft class is going to pan out. You also don't know if you'll be picking in the top 10 or in the 20's, which is near impossible to spend enough capital to get a top 2 or 3 QB. Before the championship game, Tua was the QB to get, yet he looked terrible in that game. $10m isn't going to drastically change the team, but now they have options with the top 10 pick like picking up Greedy Williams if he is there, even if I think they'll still draft a QB. If they can't find a trade partner or restructure Keenum, they can still punt Flacco if there is cap pressure, losing a 4th pick which has historically netted them not much in terms of starting regulars.

Cutting Flacco has no dead money, he has precisely $0 guaranteed in his contract, but now they have a QB with $0 guaranteed for 3 years, so when they do draft a QB, they aren't stuck with a huge cap hit you'd get with someone else. So unless they drafted a QB this year and they were ready to go day one, you'd be signing a bridge QB next year and looking at even more cap space down the drain for multiple years.

I didn't say the Broncos o-line was better than the Ravens, I said they weren't terrible. How many times did you see Keenum holding the ball for 5 seconds+ to get sacked? Plenty. The Broncos don't have an amazing line by any stretch, but Keenum significantly compounded their issues by holding onto the ball way longer than most QBs in the league. The Ravens line ranked in the mid to low teens, Broncos line was all over the place but generally hovered between high teens to low 20's, you're not talking about a huge gap in performance, neither are standout lines.

I'm not sure what excuses you think I'm making? Keenum is shite, Flacco isn't great, both have been brought in to be bridge QBs while they try and find a QB. Keenum flat out cost the Broncos at least 3 or 4 games last season. If Flacco had a single cent guaranteed I'd be on the same bandwagon as you, but instead you have a QB for 3 years that you can discard at any time once you find that QB you're searching for. If you wait until next year without a bridge QB, you've got another Lynch + Siemian scenario, except it'd be Kevin Hogan and Garrett Greyson + the 1st or the 5th QB off the board.

 

[Tom155]

Moving on from Marshall too

 

[legend]

Ray, Roby, Paradis and Barrett will be gone too. A lot of holes to fill on both sides of the ball. So long as we keep Wolfe, I'm happy...sort of.