Difference between us and them

[Cheesie-the-Pirate]

And I am stating mine.

There are two reasons why your logic doesn't make sense to me:

1. Super 12 is not representative football. The fact that players swap between teams ought to demonstrate that clearly. The fact that South African teams are mostly joint ventures between actual provinces ought to show that. The Islanders playing for New Zealand and Australian teams ought to portray that.

2. The NRL is a national competition, Randwick and co play in the NSW state competition so by your own logic these two aren't comparable.

In anycase none of this, even if you are right about comparisons, effects my point that Rugby crowds at the Super 12 level are healthy and sustainable and not relfective of "yawnion" being "gawnion". What are you? Five?

 

[Cheesie-the-Pirate]

S12 average is 24,000 over 3 teams times 4 or 5 home games each that's 15 games in total in Australia or 360,000. League has average 16,000 over 14 teams (not counting NZ) and 12 or 13 home games each that's 2,688,000.

Plus TV ratings for League far outstrip Union. By miles and miles. Including tests. Australia's number 1 winter ball sport on TV. Why do you think Channel 7 stopped showing the S12? Didn't rate.

I never said that Rugby is bigger than Rugby League in Australia. Of course it isn't. But that doesn't justify the rediculous demands of _Johnsy. It was meant to demonstrate that Rugby isn't simply propped up by money from big corporations.

Oh, and I know it pains us to admit it but the number one winter ball sport on TV is AFL. How anyone could argue anything else is simply completely beyonf me.

 

[Balmain_Boy]

And I am stating mine.

There are two reasons why your logic doesn't make sense to me:

1. Super 12 is not representative football. The fact that players swap between teams ought to demonstrate that clearly. The fact that South African teams are mostly joint ventures between actual provinces ought to show that. The Islanders playing for New Zealand and Australian teams ought to portray that.

2. The NRL is a national competition, Randwick and co play in the NSW state competition so by your own logic these two aren't comparable.

In anycase none of this, even if you are right about comparisons, effects my point that Rugby crowds at the Super 12 level are healthy and sustainable and not relfective of "yawnion" being "gawnion". What are you? Five?

The level of football produced is a rep standard. To produce 12 teams they have 3 nations.

 

[MEATWAD]

Oh, and I know it pains us to admit it but the number one winter ball sport on TV is AFL. How anyone could argue anything else is simply completely beyonf me.

I would not be so sure about that. Including SOO and Sunday night prime time grand final, we do pretty good. AFL doesn't rate well on TV in Sydney. That's a half a million there every week.

scot.

 

[Garts]

I have these same debates all the time. with people who bash union and people who bash league, I find it is usually a case of ignorance on both sides.

mates I have bag union consistantly yet they have watched maybe 2 games and the same for people who bag league have seen only the occasional game.

I myself used to hate Union till I played the game after school, after playing I got a greater appreciation for the game.

You can not really compare the 2 games, no doubt the league club competition is superior but what about International league? Lets start comparing that to Union, you cant as there is none. League is lightyears behind.

League is consistantly a greater spectacle for fans but if you have ever seen a great game of Union it is right up there with league if not better. However sadly those games can be few and far between.

 

[Sun_Down]

God what a boring post, why would you bother? Your on a rugby league forum, which could be used as an indication that most here like rugby league. Go post this on a rugby union forum if your looking to achieve something.

Let the man say his piece, you dont have to respond to it

 

[Cheesie-the-Pirate]

Garts has it right.

As to MEATWAD, mate you have no idea.

1. Despite the primetime grandfinal the AFL GF still outrates the NRL GF.
2. Friday Night Football in Melbourne outrates Friday Night Football in Sydney despite Melbourne's smaller population.
3. AFL has 5 free to air games a week at decent times in AFL states and at least two (and often more) in NRL states at decent times. NRL has 2 in NRL states and that is it.
4. SOO rates well. It does rate very well. But 3 games a year does nothing to overcome AFL's otherwise huge advantage.

 

[_Johnsy]

the point being that union will die out because it is a boring, less skilled game than league. Just watch last weeks round of s 12 games and the nrl games. it is plain to see.

 

[Garts]

the point being that union will die out because it is a boring, less skilled game than league. Just watch last weeks round of s 12 games and the nrl games. it is plain to see.

yes mate I am sure Union will die out :lol: :lol:

you are 1 bright spark if you seriosuly believe that.

 

[Tighthead]

the point being that union will die out because it is a boring, less skilled game than league. Just watch last weeks round of s 12 games and the nrl games. it is plain to see.

And yet it still is far more popular world-wide than league.

I know that's all because of Vichy France, but given that was 60 years ago and union is so much more boring and less skilled, and both sports are now fully professional, how long do you think it will take for league to take over union in popularity world-wide?

 

[Garts]

League will never take over Union worldwide in my lifetime!!!

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Oh, and I know it pains us to admit it but the number one winter ball sport on TV is AFL. How anyone could argue anything else is simply completely beyonf me.

I'll argue it.

AFL has more viewers on FTA TV only because it has more games.

On Friday nights, when AFL is on in the Redneck states and League is on in the superior states, League beats AFL 90% of the time.

Then of course there is the pathetic waste of time that is Fox Footy. A dedicated channel that gets absolutely flogged by League on Fox every week.

And that doesn't take into account all 3 State of Origins which, last year were watched by more people than every AFL game bar one. Even allowing for the fact that SOO is only on in two states.

So yeah, I'll argue it.

 

[Misty Bee]

Garts has it right.

As to MEATWAD, mate you have no idea.

1. Despite the primetime grandfinal the AFL GF still outrates the NRL GF.
2. Friday Night Football in Melbourne outrates Friday Night Football in Sydney despite Melbourne's smaller population.
3. AFL has 5 free to air games a week at decent times in AFL states and at least two (and often more) in NRL states at decent times. NRL has 2 in NRL states and that is it.
4. SOO rates well. It does rate very well. But 3 games a year does nothing to overcome AFL's otherwise huge advantage.

AFL TROLL ALERT!

This post was about broadcasting of League and Union games on Fox, nothing to do with AFL.

Back to the topic....

To compare League support to Union support nationwide would weigh heavily in Leagues favour. Say what you like about S12 - it's representative. Have a look at where the teams are from. It is a collusion of the previous representative programs in Australia, NZ and South Africa. Players being signed from other areas is irrellevent. Example - Henry Paul playing for England. League's interstate clashes used to be the same pre Origin.

Union is played in only 3 areas - and gettnig 20k with huge hype to the SFS to see the Waratahs is nothing, considering the 17k that pour into Penrith, Toyota, Brookie, Parramatta, WIN etc, or the 25k that do a weekly pilgrimage to Marathon.

Union is dwarfed by League here in Oz in every way. The only thing you have over us is a bigegr crowd to 2 tests every year. And going by the 40 000+ crowd at Snudorp for Friday night's test, we'll overtake you soon in that area as well.

Your illogical and irrellevent love for AFL and Union does not explain why Fox replays non Australian union games instead of NRL games.

 

[Misty Bee]

League, worldwide, is in better shape than you give credit for.

Everywhere that League DIRECTLY faces Union, bar France, League wins. The only grey area is Auckland, where they are sort of on par. Yet nothing in the Union world produced the excitement than the Warriors did when they made the Grand Final.

In Australia it's no contest.

In the UK, League argualbly is king as well. Certainly in Lancashire and Yorkshire. The only other League side is London, where Union reigns significantly. However, has anyone in the dim-witted world of Union nutted out why they can only play Test union at ONE venue (Twickers) in England, when League has sold out all over the place? Wembly, Old Trafford, Central Park/JJB, Elland Road, Bolton.......

League is undisputedly No. 1 in PNG. Ditto Croatia.

League isn't played in South Africa. In France, we all know the story.

In Russia, League is killing Union. Ditto USA. And I caught a snippet of a story on grandstand last week about League making great headway in Argentina as well. If anyone can expand on that, I'd love to hear it.

 

[Garts]

Union kills league on a international stage. end of storey.

As I have said I like both codes and both have good points and bad points but if people can not see that over the last 10 years Union has grown and will continue to do so you would have to be a idiot not just 1 eyed towards league.

 

[Misty Bee]

Union kills league on a international stage. end of storey

Plaese explain?

 

[wittyfan]

Union kills league on a international stage. end of storey.

Poppycock. When was the last time did a Union test deliver huge ratings for Channel 7???

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Garts has it right.

As to MEATWAD, mate you have no idea.

I tend to think that you're the one with no idea, but let's look at it in detail shall we?

1. Despite the primetime grandfinal the AFL GF still outrates the NRL GF.

Don't you mean....

The AFL Grand Final which is live into all states and territories beat the NRL Grand Final by 300,000 odd even though the NRL Grand Final was only live in 3 states?

2. Friday Night Football in Melbourne outrates Friday Night Football in Sydney despite Melbourne's smaller population.

Funny that.

ATR and OZTAM combined give League a comfortable margin over AFL.

Would you like to see last week's?

You would?

OZTAM:
AFL:
Melb: 456,000
Adel: 192,000
Per: 146,000

ATR:
Vic Country: 126,000
Tasmania: 65,000 (assumed)

OZTAM:
League:
Sydney: 489,000
Brisbane: 389,000

ATR:

NSW Country: 447,000
QLD Country: 231,000

Funny thing is that when you add them up you get:

AFL: 985,000
League: 1,556,000

That was a bit unfair, being a Test match and all... let's do the week before that...

OZTAM:
AFL:
Melb: 513,000
Adel: 146,000
Per: 158,000

ATR:
Vic Country: 161,000
Tasmania: 70,000

OZTAM:
League:
Sydney: 394,000
Brisbane: 238,000

ATR:

NSW Country: 365,000
QLD Country: 139,000

Totals:
AFL: 1,048,000
League: 1,136,000

If you're not conviced, do some homework yourself. Try last season if you like.

http://www.oztam.com.au/html/
http://www.atraustralia.com.au/docs/reports_content_reg.html

3. AFL has 5 free to air games a week at decent times in AFL states and at least two (and often more) in NRL states at decent times. NRL has 2 in NRL states and that is it.

And that's why you assume AFL is a bigger TV sport than League?

Because they have 5 games to 2?

All that proves is that it's on more often.

4. SOO rates well. It does rate very well. But 3 games a year does nothing to overcome AFL's otherwise huge advantage.

It rates better than well mate. It rates 3rd, 4th and 5th Australia-wide behind the AFL GF and the League GF only.

And it's live into 2 states only.

People like you make assumptions based on AFL having more coverage than League, and that's fine. But when they're head-to-head, League smacks AFL's arse.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Union kills league on a international stage. end of storey

Plaese explain?

Yeah, please explain how you learned to spell story with an e.

 

[Garts]

Union kills league on a international stage. end of storey

Plaese explain?

Yeah, please explain how you learned to spell story with an e.

lol, Im an accountant so I dont need to spell

I am giving up on this, I know when I can not win.

And Sullyfan, I said on a international stage. When is Australia the world?
By international I mean all over the world not just in our backyard. Anways each to their own.