Difference between us and them

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Bye.

 

[Te Kaha]

Everywhere that League DIRECTLY faces Union, bar France, League wins. The only grey area is Auckland, where they are sort of on par. Yet nothing in the Union world produced the excitement than the Warriors did when they made the Grand Final.

I am still trying to figure out this one.... Under what measures to you figure this????

In Player numbers, Tv ratings, crowd figures, merchandise sales League comes in a distant second.

 

[coolumsharkie]

Why do you think Channel 7 stopped showing the S12?

exactly!

 

[Misty Bee]

I am still trying to figure out this one.... Under what measures to you figure this????

In Player numbers, Tv ratings, crowd figures, merchandise sales League comes in a distant second.

I do believe that, over the course of a single year, more people with watch the Warrors in New Zealand than the Awl Blicks.

You got crowd figures for the Warriors v Blues?

 

[Te Kaha]

I am still trying to figure out this one.... Under what measures to you figure this????

In Player numbers, Tv ratings, crowd figures, merchandise sales League comes in a distant second.

I do believe that, over the course of a single year, more people with watch the Warrors in New Zealand than the Awl Blicks.

You got crowd figures for the Warriors v Blues?

Are you kidding????? How do you come up with that? if the same 100K people watch all 20+ warriors games do you say while the same say 500K people watch 3 All Blacks games that the Warriors win 2Mil to 1.5Mil????? That is flawed logic.

In the last three years AC Nielsen have had All the home All Black tests in the top ten programs watched that week. while the ONLY Warriors game to make it was the Pre-lim Final against the sharks a couple of years ago. Not even the grand final appearence got half as many viewrs as the sharks game. Tho that is not surprising as it started at 10 on a sunday night. (you can sign up and Pay AC Neilsen to confirm this, but I'm not)

And can get the crowd figures for the Blues and Auckland, Counties, North Harbour, Northland NPC teams and compare them to the Warriors if you want, but you wont like it.

 

[Tighthead]

League, worldwide, is in better shape than you give credit for.

Everywhere that League DIRECTLY faces Union, bar France, League wins. The only grey area is Auckland, where they are sort of on par. Yet nothing in the Union world produced the excitement than the Warriors did when they made the Grand Final.

In Australia it's no contest.

In the UK, League argualbly is king as well. Certainly in Lancashire and Yorkshire. The only other League side is London, where Union reigns significantly. However, has anyone in the dim-witted world of Union nutted out why they can only play Test union at ONE venue (Twickers) in England, when League has sold out all over the place? Wembly, Old Trafford, Central Park/JJB, Elland Road, Bolton.......

League is undisputedly No. 1 in PNG. Ditto Croatia.

League isn't played in South Africa. In France, we all know the story.

In Russia, League is killing Union. Ditto USA. And I caught a snippet of a story on grandstand last week about League making great headway in Argentina as well. If anyone can expand on that, I'd love to hear it.

This is, without a doubt, the funniest thing I have ever read on this board.

Poppycock. When was the last time did a Union test deliver huge ratings for Channel 7???

Last year. And the year before that.

 

[Misty Bee]

This is, without a doubt, the funniest thing I have ever read on this board

Well, Troll, disprove it.

e you kidding????? How do you come up with that? if the same 100K people watch all 20+ warriors games do you say while the same say 500K people watch 3 All Blacks games that the Warriors win 2Mil to 1.5Mil????? That is flawed logic.

In the last three years AC Nielsen have had All the home All Black tests in the top ten programs watched that week. while the ONLY Warriors game to make it was the Pre-lim Final against the sharks a couple of years ago. Not even the grand final appearence got half as many viewrs as the sharks game. Tho that is not surprising as it started at 10 on a sunday night. (you can sign up and Pay AC Neilsen to confirm this, but I'm not)

Proves my point. You quote Awl Blicks home games, v an away semi. And the GF was played during a blackout.

Union comps only go for a few weeks. NRL goes for half a year. If you want to accurately count stats, you need to pit the Awl Blicks v the warriors after the S12 finishes. Therefore, if you reckon 3 Awl Blicks games attract more than possibly 12 Warriors games, keep dreaming.

And it may be flawed logic, but that's EXACTLY the logic that sells sponsorship. The same logic is pumped out by Union trolls about Union in Australia - how one sold out event annually at Telstra strips League's entire existance. As for the 'high rating' Union tests - :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Union barely rates higher than the SBS test pattern.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Poppycock. When was the last time did a Union test deliver huge ratings for Channel 7???

Last year. And the year before that.

LOL

He said "huge", not competent.

 

[Te Kaha]

Proves my point. You quote Awl Blicks home games, v an away semi. And the GF was played during a blackout.

Liar.. the grand final was not played during a black out. It was just played late at night. And my point was that it is the only Warriors game that has come close, only close mind you, to equallying the ratings of an All Blacks test match.

Union comps only go for a few weeks. NRL goes for half a year. If you want to accurately count stats, you need to pit the Awl Blicks v the warriors after the S12 finishes. Therefore, if you reckon 3 Awl Blicks games attract more than possibly 12 Warriors games, keep dreaming.

No you keep dreaming, after trying to decipher your semi-literate ramblings, you are saying, without proof, that the Warriors 12 home?games will out rate the All Blacks home games this year? Would you like to put money on that????????

And it may be flawed logic, but that's EXACTLY the logic that sells sponsorship. The same logic is pumped out by Union trolls about Union in Australia - how one sold out event annually at Telstra strips League's entire existance. As for the 'high rating' Union tests -

Only if you are stupid. Most business people are smart enough to know, when deciding to sponsor, that having say half a million, or in the case of the ALL Blacks 1mil+, people watching their sponsored team 3 times a year will reach more people than the 100K people 12 or 24 times a year.

 

[_Johnsy]

Garts

Please indicate where I have said internationally. I do apoligise for not spelling it out for you. Domestically, I believe union will die out. The skill level is not at the same level as it is in the NRL. I have played both league and union at a-grade level. In your eyes I may be so so so wrong. If so great. But I do believe that union has nothing on league in australia. Apart from a dull s12 competition and a few tests each year that draw well what does union have in australia ?...............SFA

 

[Misty Bee]

Liar.. the grand final was not played during a black out. It was just played late at night. And my point was that it is the only Warriors game that has come close, only close mind you, to equallying the ratings of an All Blacks test match

Actually it was. Much of Auskland was blacked out shortly after Stacey scored. You may not have noticed - you seem to live your life in a blackout

Only if you are stupid. Most business people are smart enough to know, when deciding to sponsor, that having say half a million, or in the case of the ALL Blacks 1mil+, people watching their sponsored team 3 times a year will reach more people than the 100K people 12 or 24 times a year.

You obviously know zip about marketing - specifically the concept of 'placement'. This is the art of placing an image in the mind of people, so that in asociation recall, the 'placed' image is what is recalled. The more a target audience sees this message, the more it will be absorebed.

That's why most ads on TV are not pulled after on 3 viewings. It's also why Bundaberg Rum has always preferred to be associated with the Rugby League, even when it sponsored the Wabblies.

 

[Tighthead]

LOL

He said "huge", not competent.

Well then, I hope that you don't consider the Kangaroos test ratings 'huge' then, because they were beaten by the Bledisloe last year.

The 2003 World Cup Final was also the most watched program in Australia this century. I'd call that pretty huge. LOL.

 

[Misty Bee]

The 2003 World Cup Final was also the most watched program in Australia this century. I'd call that pretty huge. LOL.

Oh shit. To think that one overhyped game of Yawnion just makes 109 years of Rugby League irellevent!

I guess that fact just swells the crowds out at TG millner every saturday arvo..... :roll:

 

[Tighthead]

Well, Troll, disprove it.

Given that you're making the assertion, it really should be up to you to prove it, but I'll give it a go anyway.

League, worldwide, is in better shape than you give credit for.

I haven't said that League wasn't in good shape worldwide. I simply said that union is more popular worldwide than league[/quote]

Everywhere that League DIRECTLY faces Union, bar France, League wins.

Garbage. Even if this were the case, however, given that union is played in far, far more countries worldwide than league, how would this mean that league is more popular than union.

The only grey area is Auckland, where they are sort of on par. Yet nothing in the Union world produced the excitement than the Warriors did when they made the Grand Final.

Why don't we see what happens during the Lions tour.

In Australia it's no contest.

I've never suggested otherwise.

In the UK, League argualbly is king as well.

Arguably if you are a moron.

Certainly in Lancashire and Yorkshire.

So because League is king in 2 counties, it is king in the whole country? What about Scotland, Nth Ireland, Wales and the rest of England?

The only other League side is London, where Union reigns significantly. However, has anyone in the dim-witted world of Union nutted out why they can only play Test union at ONE venue (Twickers) in England, when League has sold out all over the place? Wembly, Old Trafford, Central Park/JJB, Elland Road, Bolton.......

Twickenham has a capacity of about 80,000, and it sells out for the majority of England matches. Just because they play league tests in an array of significantly smaller venues doesn't mean that the game is more popular. What a silly argument to make.

League is undisputedly No. 1 in PNG.

I'm not disputing this.

Ditto Croatia.

I'll take your word for it. What about the other 93 countries on the IRB rankings?

League isn't played in South Africa.

So union's popularity doesn't count?

In France, we all know the story.

I know, they're all a bunch of Nazis.

In Russia, League is killing Union.

Really? I'll take your word for it, because I'll assume you have no way of backing this statement up.

Ditto USA

Utter, utter tripe. There are around 40,000 odd registered union players in the USA. There are numerous college competitions, a real national competition, strong women's competitions, and they compete at U19, 21 and senior level in regular test matches. League has a proposed national competition and had a joke exhibition match against the Kangaroos.

. And I caught a snippet of a story on grandstand last week about League making great headway in Argentina as well. If anyone can expand on that, I'd love to hear it.

Making headway doesn't equal more popular then. Argentina union is very strong, and I doubt that league has made any significant impact on its popularity.

Happy, dear?

 

[Tighthead]

Oh sh*t. To think that one overhyped game of Yawnion just makes 109 years of Rugby League irellevent!

I guess that fact just swells the crowds out at TG millner every saturday arvo.....

Stop moving the goalposts. He asked a question and I answered it. If you don't like it, there's no need to sulk.

 

[wittyfan]

LOL

He said "huge", not competent.

Well then, I hope that you don't consider the Kangaroos test ratings 'huge' then, because they were beaten by the Bledisloe last year.

The 2003 World Cup Final was also the most watched program in Australia this century. I'd call that pretty huge. LOL.

What about Super 12? It rated so poorly that Channel 7 stopped bothering to show it even at 1am.

Friday Night Football is a consistently strong performer, week in week out.

 

[eelandia]

At the end of the day many more people in NZ and South Africa play union than in Australia yet australian teams compete well - which makes me question why they can't beat us on a consistent basis. The reason must have something to do with the overall standard of union being not all that great considering union in Oz doesn't necessarily attract the best athletes in yet it seemingly attracts the best athletes in NZ and SA.

Which brings us back to the original point of why the hell is there so much union on pay tv when the standard is not all that great for the most part, Currie Cup included.

 

[bayrep]

What about Super 12? It rated so poorly that Channel 7 stopped bothering to show it even at 1am.

Honestly Sully would you wait up till 1am to watch your Sharks play every week ? of course this would have had an impact on ratings. From what I heard they never gave S12 a chance at a regular time slot to know how it would fair in the ratings.

 

[Tighthead]

What about Super 12? It rated so poorly that Channel 7 stopped bothering to show it even at 1am.

Goalposts shifting?

You asked about tests.

The super 12 deal with Foxtel doesn't allow matches to be replayed on FTA until 1 and a half hours after they have finished on Fox. I'm not suggesting that FTA ratings for s12 would come anywhere near NRL, but given the nature of s12 (different countries and timezones) there isn't a decent time that they could be shown on s12.

 

[Misty Bee]

Everywhere that League DIRECTLY faces Union, bar France, League wins.

Garbage. Even if this were the case, however, given that union is played in far, far more countries worldwide than league, how would this mean that league is more popular than union

I said where league DIRECTLY faces Union. Union has a wider base worldwide - places like Argentina, Romania, South Africa. Read the statement.

In Russia, League is killing Union.

Really? I'll take your word for it, because I'll assume you have no way of backing this statement up.

35000 to a Russia v USA test in Moscow in 2004, and a similar crowd for their grand final.

The only grey area is Auckland, where they are sort of on par. Yet nothing in the Union world produced the excitement than the Warriors did when they made the Grand Final.


Why don't we see what happens during the Lions tour.

Already seen it. Which one should we discuss?

The only other League side is London, where Union reigns significantly. However, has anyone in the dim-witted world of Union nutted out why they can only play Test union at ONE venue (Twickers) in England, when League has sold out all over the place? Wembly, Old Trafford, Central Park/JJB, Elland Road, Bolton.......


Twickenham has a capacity of about 80,000, and it sells out for the majority of England matches. Just because they play league tests in an array of significantly smaller venues doesn't mean that the game is more popular. What a silly argument to make.

Twickers, at 75000, is smaller than Wembly, which League test used to get over 90k to!

And if Union is king, why do the Pommy union only play n the south of England? At one venue?

Is is because at places such as Old Trafford (cap 68 000), Anield (48000) are far to small? Bullshit.

Union wouldn't jag a decent crowd in england outside the Greater London Area.

BTW, just found an interesting stat. The biggest domestic ground for either rugby code in London is Griffin Park, home of the LONDON BRONCOS (cap. 12763) as opposed to the Harlequins home ground (Stoop - cap 12500)

Also on stadiums; EXCLUSIVE League grounds (such as Knowlsley Road, Wilderspool etc are generally bigger than domestic exclusive Union grounds in the UK - the biggest of which that I can see is The Stoop). I exclude grounds such as JJB which are shared by socer teams.

Now, unless you are going to use facts, rather than heresay and silly taunts, don't reply. I'm quite happy to be PROVEN wrong. You have to prove it first.