Do you want Brad Arthur as coach

[84 Baby]

I'm going to get this thread back on topic. I still don't want Brad Arthur as coach.

Why? (Serious question)

 

[hineyrulz]

I'm going to get this thread back on topic. I still don't want Brad Arthur as coach.

I AGREE f**kEN!!

* Demolishes a bottle of Kraken like a pissant!!

 

[Noise]

Why? (Serious question)

His team selections and bench rotations are poor. Too often we don't look prepared for the game, particularly away trips. I don't think he gets the best out of our players mentally. He has more wooden spoons than finals wins. I believe he is too matey with the players and he has his favorites that get rewarded when they shouldn't be in first grade (comes back to team selections). His choice of assistants are questionable. But mostly because he has been here too long and grown stale and I don't think we will ever win a premiership with him. We need a fresh approach.

 

[hindy111]

It's different to yourself and Ram - you guys skip any foreplay and go straight to the main event!

You disgust me.

 

[Avenger]

It's no different to the way you guys blow each other when trying to make whatever shit point it is that you are making.

I noticed @Avenger quietened down when I responded seriously last night. He realised he was out of his depth and potentially jeopardising his free golf lesson.

If you must know I was busy polishing the centre links of my Rolex GMT Master 2 LN.

 

[Gary Gutful]

If you must know I was busy polishing the centre links of my Rolex GMT Master 2 LN.

Sounds like a euphemism.

 

[hindy111]

If you must know I was busy polishing the centre links of my Rolex GMT Master 2 LN.

Long nickname for your knob.

I call mine Mick.

 

[84 Baby]

His team selections and bench rotations are poor. Too often we don't look prepared for the game, particularly away trips. I don't think he gets the best out of our players mentally. He has more wooden spoons than finals wins. I believe he is too matey with the players and he has his favorites that get rewarded when they shouldn't be in first grade (comes back to team selections). His choice of assistants are questionable. But mostly because he has been here too long and grown stale and I don't think we will ever win a premiership with him. We need a fresh approach.

I don’t think you can arbitrarily blame him for team selection. That would come back to how much say he has had in constructing squad, otherwise we don’t know if it’s a fail (nor a defence) without knowing reasoning (niggles, poor training, etc). Before the past few weeks, have you thought he chose teams poorly?
I half agree with bench rotations. I think his rotations have a plan, but stemming from my biggest problem with BA, he appears to struggle in game to adjust if that plan isn’t working.
Preparation and mentality I agree, but by the looks of it to me what some people are confusing that with is flow of intensity. Comparing to other games I’ve seen this season, I think our plan is to have an even level of intensity across the 80 minutes. We start slower than other teams so that we can outlast them. The problem especially last year is we are getting bashed the shit out of and while we may have more intensity at the end than the opposition, it isn’t enough. Also it means even if the opposition go through a dip mid game, we don’t really capitalise.
Record is by the by.
I don’t get the whole matey thing. That’ll be on an individual motivation level that we can only derive a problem from by results. It’s not necessarily the cause of poor performance. Some players will thrive by being involved in the process, others thrive better by having obscenities spat in their face.
After the review finding of last year, I don’t think BA should have much say in who his assistants should be. He was supposedly willing to take it all on his shoulders, so it’s quite possible he wouldn’t be looking for the absolute best assistants possible. But then, who are the best assistants and who’s job should it be to identify and pursue them?
And I don’t believe in the staleness problem, IF he can change the way he operates. We don’t really know how he operates and if he can change. But Bennett spent lifetimes devouring souls in Brisbane, Bellamy will probably do same in Melbourne and we went through lean years with Smith. Long tenures can work but they rely on the coach being answerable to a longer term management program.

 

[Noise]

Long tenures can work but they rely on the coach being answerable to a longer term management program.

Long tenures can only work if they have some degree of sustained success

 

[84 Baby]

Long tenures can only work if they have some degree of sustained success

What would you consider success though? Or I guess simplistically, how many years does winning a premiership buy a coach? And minor premierships, finals appearances, etc

 

[Noise]

What would you consider success though? Or I guess simplistically, how many years does winning a premiership buy a coach? And minor premierships, finals appearances, etc

Regular top 4 appearances would be my criteria for success. Certainly not one top 4 finish in 6 years, with no finals wins and a wooden spoon. A premiership probably buys you only maybe 3 years if you keep missing out on the 8 in the following few years.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Bennett took over a Knights team that had made the finals twice in three years. Then during his three years they made the finals once.

Then they went to shit after he left. What can we say about Bennett's influence from all that?

 

[84 Baby]

Regular top 4 appearances would be my criteria for success. Certainly not one top 4 finish in 6 years, with no finals wins and a wooden spoon. A premiership probably buys you only maybe 3 years if you keep missing out on the 8 in the following few years.

So Smith possibly could’ve passed your metric? I don’t disagree that BA has without doubt failed at sustained success but I also think future success can be built on evolving out of poor performance. I doubt BA is the answer but it’s not out of the realms of possibility for him to learn to be a better coach. What he’s tenure has taught me is that his performance (and most coaches) is determined by his accountability. And during our last few years, we’ve actually been lucky to have him, because I get the feeling he hasn’t really been accountable to anyone. Could you imagine how other coaches would’ve performed under similar circumstances? It’d be Stuart/Kearney all over again. The answer I’d love to know is are we through that period yet and so would be better off with another coach, or can BA improve with oversight, or are we not out of woods yet?

 

[84 Baby]

Bennett took over a Knights team that had made the finals twice in three years. Then during his three years they made the finals once.

Then they went to shit after he left. What can we say about Bennett's influence from all that?

He consumed all the souls he could find, ensuring he lives for another century and turning Newcastle into a wasteland of horror?

 

[Noise]

So Smith possibly could’ve passed your metric?

As a successful coach? Absolutely. You asked me why I still didn't want BA as coach and I answered you. You don't have to agree.

 

[84 Baby]

As a successful coach? Absolutely. You asked me why I still didn't want BA as coach and I answered you. You don't have to agree.

I didn’t disagree? My point was how long a tenure you allow before success and how long after success do you allow a period of failure. But more importantly we need someone in place to monitor that and determine courses of action. We could have dumped BA in 2016 or last year or this year, or even not hired him in first place. Would you have trusted the people responsible to actually pick the best candidate?
He may not be the best coach, but could he be the best coach we could have now?

 

[T-Boon]

BA needs to be down on the side lines. It has not worked for him up in the box. He needs to be more visible to the players.

 

[84 Baby]

BA needs to be down on the side lines. It has not worked for him up in the box. He needs to be more visible to the players.

I’d have him running water out

 

[T-Boon]

BA needs to be down on the side lines. It has not worked for him up in the box. He needs to be more visible to the players.

That said, he probably wont do it now just because he does not want to admit I am right. You wait. I bet he is in the box on Friday night.

 

[T-Boon]

I’d have him running water out

I've been wondering about that. Is it against the rules for the coach to run the water? If not why don't they do it more often? They could stand in the back line and coach the way the water boys do.