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Do you want Brad Arthur as coach

Do you want Brad Arthur as coach

  • Yes

    Votes: 109 48.0%
  • No

    Votes: 118 52.0%

  • Total voters
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Avenger

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This thread approaching 5 year anniversary next year

Be interesting to know (guess and make up shit) what would have happened if we sacked BA in 2018
He will not get extended. That’s my tip, next year will be his last year. Yes I know he is contracted until the end of 2024 but I reckon we will make a call on his successor and he may jump early.

Getting to the GF next year will be the new KPI and may save him although I reckon that any coach that makes the preliminary final has had a successful season but our continued drought will bite him on the arse.
 

JokerEel

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He will not get extended. That’s my tip, next year will be his last year. Yes I know he is contracted until the end of 2024 but I reckon we will make a call on his successor and he may jump early.

Getting to the GF next year will be the new KPI and may save him although I reckon that any coach that makes the preliminary final has had a successful season but our continued drought will bite him on the arse.

If he wins the minor premiership or gf next year he will be signed up for another 3 years
 

hindy111

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I imagine after this season he won't be short of offers if we did punt him. If he is having a poor 2023 it would be in his best interest as could land a 4yr deal elsewhere. Last thing he'd want is a bad 2023 and 2024.

In saying that let's see what our squad looks like come rnd 1. Who knows we might be a force again.
 
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With the two year extension (for a total of 11 years) BA would be crazy not to line up his next gig elsewhere (coaching, director of football/pathways or otherwise), so that he can leave either at the end of or during the second year and not have to stress about it.

Imagine doing the same job for 10+ years... the guy likely can't wait for a change once he's achieved (or had a good shot at achieving) his goals! He's made one GF now... sure, winning one would be nice but purely by the numbers many good coaches come and go without achieving that in a career.
 

Gronk

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He will not get extended. That’s my tip, next year will be his last year. Yes I know he is contracted until the end of 2024 but I reckon we will make a call on his successor and he may jump early.

Getting to the GF next year will be the new KPI and may save him although I reckon that any coach that makes the preliminary final has had a successful season but our continued drought will bite him on the arse.
If he wins the minor premiership or gf next year he will be signed up for another 3 years
The way I see it the board have brought in Ennis, Mary, Barrett, Wolford, Nathan Brown (coach), Caylo and new unnamed defence guy for a reason. They recognise that BA is a very good man manager and has a proven track record to turn fringe NRL players into great players. However they see no reason why fresh eyes can't deliver greater success. From a corporate POV, it doesn't look to me that they necessarily have a succession plan. Simply put the performance of the team doesn't rest just with just one guy. It's junior development, sports science, training regimens, game day tactics etc etc and anyone who just peers through the keyhole and only sees "9 years" is not seeing the wood for the trees.

There will be a time when the board make change or the coach wishes to move on, but "winning the comp" cannot be the sole metric when reviewing recent performances and deciding who gets the new job.
 

Avenger

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The way I see it the board have brought in Ennis, Mary, Barrett, Wolford, Nathan Brown (coach), Caylo and new unnamed defence guy for a reason. They recognise that BA is a very good man manager and has a proven track record to turn fringe NRL players into great players. However they see no reason why fresh eyes can't deliver greater success. From a corporate POV, it doesn't look to me that they necessarily have a succession plan. Simply put the performance of the team doesn't rest just with just one guy. It's junior development, sports science, training regimens, game day tactics etc etc and anyone who just peers through the keyhole and only sees "9 years" is not seeing the wood for the trees.

There will be a time when the board make change or the coach wishes to move on, but "winning the comp" cannot be the sole metric when reviewing recent performances and deciding who gets the new job.
Coaching for over 10 years without a premiership can’t be acceptable either. I’d say it’s the ‘only metric’ and performance indicator in the long term.
 

Gronk

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36 years and counting overrides any governance experience.

Who were the governance premiers this year?
Ok then if we are going to trawl over the last 36 years, then you must be pretty chuffed with our 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022 seasons and the very promising trajectory. It's a pleasant change from decades of :poo::poo::poo::poo::poo: .
 

Avenger

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Ok then if we are going to trawl over the last 36 years, then you must be pretty chuffed with our 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022 seasons and the very promising trajectory. It's a pleasant change from decades of :poo::poo::poo::poo::poo: .
Why didn’t you include 2018? You are a typical politician on these forums and will only use stats to benefit your argument. Yes we have improved and according to your sample we are in the final year of a five year plan so the trajectory must mean a better result in 2023.

#eelspremiers2023
#thanksgronk
 

Gronk

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Why didn’t you include 2018? You are a typical politician on these forums and will only use stats to benefit your argument. Yes we have improved and according to your sample we are in the final year of a five year plan so the trajectory must mean a better result in 2023.

#eelspremiers2023
#thanksgronk
OK I'll bite. Why does it matter what happened in 2018 when moving into the 2023/24 seasons ?

It seems to me that as much as you think I have conveniently omitted 2018, I reckon you have raised it to strengthen your argument that he needs to go.

I am open to valid reasons why a coach needs to be moved on, but coming last 5 years ago and then making the semis every year after that is what Paten did this year. He's a fine young coach remember ? By your metrics, he should never be forgiven for what happened in 2021.
 

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OK I'll bite. Why does it matter what happened in 2018 when moving into the 2023/24 seasons ?

It seems to me that as much as you think I have conveniently omitted 2018, I reckon you have raised it to strengthen your argument that he needs to go.

I am open to valid reasons why a coach needs to be moved on, but coming last 5 years ago and then making the semis every year after that is what Paten did this year. He's a fine young coach remember ? By your metrics, he should never be forgiven for what happened in 2021.
Why don’t we compare Payten and his trajectory as a coach and his current Dally M coach of the year award at the corresponding stage of BA’s coaching career shall we?

Payten achieved more this year than what BA did in 8 years.
 

Gronk

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Why don’t we compare Payten and his trajectory as a coach and his current Dally M coach of the year award at the corresponding stage of BA’s coaching career shall we?

Payten achieved more this year than what BA did in 8 years.
Well you didn't really answer the question. Why should the 2022 form of the Cowboys or the Eels be impacted by the past ? If a CEO has turned profits around from previous low levels, then isn't he delivering ? What do you really want ? It seems to me that you are just pissed that we haven't won the comp and are willfully ignoring current successes.

Our whole club worked really hard to make it to the GF and (most) people fairly say that we had buckleys chance of beating the dynasty building Smuggs team.

As for Todd Payten his squad and emerging juniors were established. He recruited a 7 and cracked the whip. Fair play, but BA did better than him with probably a less talented squad.

BA on the other hand adopted a clusterf**k of a squad when first recruited and then had to wade through the shitstorm of a salary cap breach into 2017/18. So I don't really think you're comparing apples with apples.

I suspect you will just come back with "excuses, excuses" but as I said before, I am open to valid reasons why the current coach needs to go, but getting wooden spoon in 2018 does not overshadow a GF appearance in 2022. Sorry I just dont get it.
 

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OK I'll bite. Why does it matter what happened in 2018 when moving into the 2023/24 seasons ?

It seems to me that as much as you think I have conveniently omitted 2018, I reckon you have raised it to strengthen your argument that he needs to go.

I am open to valid reasons why a coach needs to be moved on, but coming last 5 years ago and then making the semis every year after that is what Paten did this year. He's a fine young coach remember ? By your metrics, he should never be forgiven for what happened in 2021.

Yeah he has done ok. I don't want to move him on for 2023. I also don't want to extend him past 2024. I'd wait to see how we goes in 2023. Season end. Then decide. He is under contract for 2024 and there is no rush to decide before end of 2023.

If we finished top 4 I'd probably extend 12mths. If we didn't make top 8 I'd pull the pin. 5-8 and an early finals exit I'd say we talk mod 2024. If don't like it then fine. Cya.

I wouldn't let him pull the strings cause he is no super coach.
 
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King-Gutho94

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Yeah he has done ok. I don't want to move him on for 2023. I also don't want to extend him past 2024. I'd wait to see how we goes in 2023. Season end. Then decide. He is under contract for 2024 and there is no rush to decide before end of 2023.

If we finished top 4 I'd probably extend 12mths. If we didn't make top 8 I'd pull the pin. 5-8 and an early finals exit I'd say we talk mod 2024. If don't like it then fine. Cya.

I wouldn't let him pull the strings cause he is no super coach.
Spot on BA gets clear air next year to try and get us back into a GF.

If we dont and have a bad season or finish short.

The Board then can show they are professional by looking at succession plans post 2024.

As thats what good businesses do and we keep hearing what a stable a well run club we are these days so let's hope they live up it to its reputation.
 

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As thats what good businesses do and we keep hearing what a stable a well run club we are these days so let's hope they live up it to its reputation.
So what have they done that makes you think they won't deal with it with the best interests of maximising success ?

Of all the allegations and sarcasm around out club being money tight post Max Donnelly, the fact that the club flew the team/ staff to Townsville in a private jet(s) seems to have kept some notable people around here very quiet.
 

King-Gutho94

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So what have they done that makes you think they won't deal with it with the best interests of maximising success ?

Of all the allegations and sarcasm around out club being money tight post Max Donnelly, the fact that the club flew the team/ staff to Townsville in a private jet(s) seems to have kept some notable people around here very quiet.
That was smart business.

Best 100k we have spent in a long time and I reckon the club got its money back within 2 days of merchandise and sales in GF week.

Its just a shame it didn't rub off on Matto though.
 
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