Dragons 2025 To End 50% JV With Wincorp.

[possm]

Gee, there is some nonsense on this Dragons forum. I come from the Steelers side of the merger. Illawarra Steelers were only in the comp for 17 years. The last four of those years were impacted by Super League. Looking back on it, Illawarra Steelers were a fledgling club. They didn't get the chance to evolve as a club. It takes decades for a footy club to become established.

Hypothetically if there was a demerger, chances are Win Corp would be the owner of the Steelers. Steelers will go back to having a full allocation of games at Win. Win Stadium most likely would get funding and turn it into an all seater venue. Also Win is under the VenusNSW umbrella as a regional ground.

Meanwhile St.George Dragons will also be full time at Kogarah Oval, however would Kogarah get funding for an upgrade? It is just another Sydney suburban ground like Brookvale, Campbelltown, Leichhardt and is not under VenusNSW. Which now leads me to the reality of St.George Illawarra Dragons. What is the future of Kogarah Oval?

If Kogarah doesn't receive any funding, then majority of the Sydney games should move to Allianz stadium. Chance for the club to generate more revenue and become more financially strong. As for Win, three grandstands have been built over the last 33 years. The last upgrade was 15 years ago. Although Win stadium does lack top tier sporting content. Maybe a demerger could fix it.

At the end of the day, we need to come up with solutions on how St.George Illawarra Dragons can be successful, rather than just tear it apart and endlessly blame one side.

The whole JV concept is flawed, and a smart club management would not have a bar of it, or at least, secured better terms from the NRL. Why weren't Easts and Souths, Parr and Canterbury, Manly and North Sydney forced to merge under the same terms as the two JV projects were compelled to do?

 

[Inisai Toga]

The whole JV concept is flawed, and a smart club management would not have a bar of it, or at least, secured better terms from the NRL. Why weren't Easts and Souths, Parr and Canterbury, Manly and North Sydney forced to merge under the same terms as the two JV projects were compelled to do?

East’s should have; never would have made the Criteria of the time: Junior league, supporter base etc…; Parra wanted to merge with Tigers and eat them up whilst stealing the Tiger logo; that’s why Balmain chose Wests; Norths and Manly merged and Souths got the boot.

 

[56to66]

Is the game still rated Number 1 in China?

 

[JohnnoMcJohnno]

We've been a non-event for 14 years now. And we're not improving as a club. Since the Bennett years the highest we've finished on the ladder was 7th in 2015. This year we'll probably finish in our regular position of 11th or 12th. Very few good players want to come here, and you get the feeling that the half decent players we have are looking for an exit. No matter how you look at it, we've been shite with a capital S. So while I have always supported the joint venture, maybe it is time to do something different. Either dissolve the joint venture or move everything holus-bolus to Wollongong, I don't really care, something needs to be done to shake up the joint.

But I suspect we'll do nothing, and we will continue to languish in mediocrity for many years to come.

 

[muzby]

This thread is starting to get a little hard to follow for anyone reading it, so thought I’d summarise it in 3 parts:

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[56to66]

Good one. It’s really difficult to rise to your lofty intellectual ability. Please be a little compassionate toward those who don’t meet your expectations, O Great One.
Looks like the St George Illawarra Cookies are going great guns against the dogs, can I say Cookies without offending anyone precious.


P.s It's great to see the trumpster take on the chief who created this mess to begin with!

 

[possm]

East’s should have; never would have made the Criteria of the time: Junior league, supporter base etc…; Parra wanted to merge with Tigers and eat them up whilst stealing the Tiger logo; that’s why Balmain chose Wests; Norths and Manly merged and Souths got the boot.

If there were to be JVs, each JV should have involved 3 Clubs in order to allow more Super League Clubs to stay in the competition:
1. Sa George, Cronulla, Illawarra
2. Balmain, Easts, Souths
3. Wests, Parramatta, Canterbury
4. Noths, Manly, Gosford
5. Campbelltown, Liverpool, Cabramatta
6. Penrith, Blacktown, St Mary's,
7. Newcastle
8. Canberra
9. Melbourne, Geelong
10. Adelaide
11. Perth
12. Brisbane, Ipswich, Tooowoomba
13. Redcliffe, Sunshine Coast
14. G0ld Coast
15. NZ North, NZ South
16. PNG
17. Fi JI
18. Darwin

An 18-week round robin competition with no byes

6 teams make the finals.

Each event has 3 games, First Grade, Reserve Grade, ERLW
The bench for first grade would consist of 10 players
When you come off the field, you stay off.



An Easts/Souths JM would have had access to a very large South Sydney Junior League.

 

[Inisai Toga]

If there were to be JVs, each JV should have involved 3 Clubs in order to allow more Super League Clubs to stay in the competition:
1. Sa George, Cronulla, Illawarra
2. Balmain, Easts, Souths
3. Wests, Parramatta, Canterbury
4. Noths, Manly, Gosford
5. Campbelltown, Liverpool, Cabramatta
6. Penrith, Blacktown, St Mary's,
7. Newcastle
8. Canberra
9. Melbourne, Geelong
10. Adelaide
11. Perth
12. Brisbane, Ipswich, Tooowoomba
13. Redcliffe, Sunshine Coast
14. G0ld Coast
15. NZ North, NZ South
16. PNG
17. Fi JI
18. Darwin

An 18-week round robin competition with no byes

6 teams make the finals.

Each event has 3 games, First Grade, Reserve Grade, ERLW
The bench for first grade would consist of 10 players
When you come off the field, you stay off.



An Easts/Souths JM would have had access to a very large South Sydney Junior League.

Too simplistic in theory Possum imo. You’re ignoring power and politics. That was not the landscape when these cub merged and that was never going to happen.
I think Cronulla should have been chopped. Got bailed out so many times and yet still crossed over. Same for Gold Coast - didn’t and don't need them now. And maybe even the Warriors.
Easts and Souths would never merge! The NRL wanted clubs to organise the merge due to the fear of survival so they didn’t look like forcing the issue. Most fans would have walked away from the game if those JV’s happened, as they are too dramatic and strips away the culture and the rivalry's associated with the game.

 

[AyiosYiorgos]

Dragons should keep merging with clubs until they become a Super Club..

 

[56to66]

If there were to be JVs, each JV should have involved 3 Clubs in order to allow more Super League Clubs to stay in the competition:
1. Sa George, Cronulla, Illawarra
2. Balmain, Easts, Souths
3. Wests, Parramatta, Canterbury
4. Noths, Manly, Gosford
5. Campbelltown, Liverpool, Cabramatta
6. Penrith, Blacktown, St Mary's,
7. Newcastle
8. Canberra
9. Melbourne, Geelong
10. Adelaide
11. Perth
12. Brisbane, Ipswich, Tooowoomba
13. Redcliffe, Sunshine Coast
14. G0ld Coast
15. NZ North, NZ South
16. PNG
17. Fi JI
18. Darwin

An 18-week round robin competition with no byes

6 teams make the finals.

Each event has 3 games, First Grade, Reserve Grade, ERLW
The bench for first grade would consist of 10 players
When you come off the field, you stay off.



An Easts/Souths JM would have had access to a very large South Sydney Junior League.

This is where historically the NRL has none, post superleague war.
If I had the wealth of R Murdoch-(1995 was the beginning of the Superleague war).
My League.
1. South Sydney 20 premierships
2. St George Dragons 15 Premierships
3. Balmain Tigers 11 premierships
4.Eastern Suburbs 11 premierships, instant inclusion in the NRL. Between those 4 Clubs 57 premierships, a lot of history there.
5.Manly Sea Eagles
6.Canterbury Bulldogs
7.Brisbane Broncos
8.Parramatta Eels
9.Melbourne Raiders ( Relocation)
10. Illawarra Sharks (0 Premierships Perfect Merger)
11. Newcastle Knights
12. North Queensland Cowboys
13. Penrith Panthers
14. New Zealand Warriors
15.Gold Coast Chargers
16. Western Mapgies (Relocation Perth)
17 Adelaide Bears (Relocation Adelaide)
18. Dolphins.
19 Papua New Guinea
20. ?
The NRL original Superleague teams, have had free pass WRONG!