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Eels 2009 GF team

Sparky 74

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My question that nobody is able to give an answer to is
Why didn't that 2009 team with the great momentum leading into the grand final say together for 1 or 2 more seasons?
I do think if this was the case the eels would of won the premiership in those seasons.
Don't say oh because of the cap & upgrade to some players, please just look at manly & Melbourne the bulk of their team have been there for a while now.

Out of the 17 grandfinal team there are only 4 left.
 

OFFSET ALPINE

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SPARKY i am a blow-in here...a CHOOKS fan looking for injury news on Kenny SIO.

But one answer to your question...those dopes got rid of Kevy Kingston.

You don't remove a vital part of the spine without having someone better.

And to (later) replace an excellent structured $200k Half like ROBSON with an ad-libber like Sandow ($550k) in THAT team was suicide.

That Board is so devoid of astuteness they allowed MORTS' horrible drop in form to cost Robson his job...shameful....i watched it happen & they kept picking MORTS.

How do you boys put up with that half-wit Ricky Stuart thinking that Paulo and Roberts are five-eighths every week for 17 rounds?

Stuart hasn't won a game since the day FITTLER retired - and these fools pay him $900k pa

I remember early on when Parra were gonna wipe those diseased Dogs by 20 plus in the 2nd half but Stuart decided PAULO was a First receiver and Paulo spent 40 minutes slaughtering a dozen great attacking chances....even I was filthy....even Reni would have got it won at 6.

Then Stuart let PAULO butcher the next game they should have won the same way and your season was gone.

Look on the bright side...you have a winger Hopoate at $800k next year (allows for good Salary Cap balance)

At least you've still got Hayne,Morgan,Fui,Maitua & Mannah...and Mitch ALLGOOD is now officially a GOD and should be Captain...i noticed a couple of months ago they got 12 behind...standing in-goal...and Allgood seemed to be the only one who gave a shit...and he was railing at all of them...that's passion...like when Ryan Morgan came across to the right wing to save six tries against my Chooks (on Daniel Tupou)

Lussick & Harrison looking good.

Such a champion club has to come good some day.
 
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Poupou Escobar

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Our high point wasn't 2009, it was 2007. The team was already in decline by '09, by which time they were merely a mid-table side.
 

phantom eel

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Don't say oh because of the cap & upgrade to some players, please just look at manly & Melbourne the bulk of their team have been there for a while now.
I think we did have significant cap trouble with back-ended contracts (not upgrades, but ones that cost much more in the later years than the years they were signed), and it may have been the major factor?

Out of the 17 grandfinal team there are only 4 left.
Kingston was the biggest loss, and was a definite salary cap issue with Schubert involved. I suspect Cayless and Hindmarsh's contracts along with Hayne's upgrade directly led to the loss of guys like Mateo and Inu a year down the track.
 

B-Tron 3000

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Our high point wasn't 2009, it was 2007. .
Yep. Or even 05.

In 07 we played tough, solid football with just the right amount of flair. "Controlled flair", I think Sterlo called it.

In the prelim, we were beating (or at least equal with) the Storm, who were over the cap, until they chicken-winged Cayless. Without our prop and captain we were still an Inu toe away from a grandstand finish in that game.

They then went on and mauled Manly in the GF.

Everyone seems to think Parra was robbed in 09 and Manly robbed in 07. In 07 Parra were the best legal team.
 

natheel

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Look people need to look past the brilliant run we had and look at the side we fielded for the grand final. To be fair its an average side with a few freaks and work horses thrown in.

We let our 2 biggest improvers that year go in Kingston and Lowrie. Kinga gets a lot of praise here but people forget the impact Kowtow had. He was a solid player who fit in well with our side. Worked hard and never left the field without giving 100%.
 

Joshuatheeel

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The 2009 side wasn't that good - until the last 9 rounds or so we were looking at a possible wooden spoon. Also the same side missed the finals in 2008 and 2010.

Apart from Hayne not one player from that side has come a regular rep player.

But yes those 9 rounds were very enjoyable.

Interesting in the last 11 years we have only made the top four once. We have also finished 8th twice and 5th once. So our form of the last decade has been terrible. And it is likely we would have finished in bottom 2 , three times.
 

Poupou Escobar

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We won one more game in 07 than 09. And the same amount overall.

We won even more games in '05.

But that '07 team had the best balance, the strongest roster and was the most likely/able to win a premiership of every Parramatta team since about 1986.
 

Joshuatheeel

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We won even more games in '05.

But that '07 team had the best balance, the strongest roster and was the most likely/able to win a premiership of every Parramatta team since about 1986.

2005 was the year we bombed it but then we also had our two best forwards in Fui and Hindy out. It was there for us that year.
 

Poupou Escobar

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We did, but we had a rookie halfback partnered by John Morris in '05. I think the '07 halves pairing (third year Smith plus Finch), as well as the emergence of Hayne, Inu and Mateo, makes the '07 squad stronger.

Plus we had a coach who at least didn't get in the way of teams winning premierships.
 

Springs

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We won even more games in '05.

But that '07 team had the best balance, the strongest roster and was the most likely/able to win a premiership of every Parramatta team since about 1986.

But they didn't so that doesn't mean anything at all.

As to '05, well we won even more games in '01. Hell we could go back and say we won the gf in '86. What's your point?

We had Hayne, Inu and Mateo in 09 as well. As for halves well Finch and Smith weren't much. Mortimer in 09 was in better form than them and Robson was great for us and has been great for the Sharks.
 

Poupou Escobar

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But they didn't so that doesn't mean anything at all.

Actually it does. Just because they didn't win doesn't mean the team wasn't stronger than all the other Eels teams that failed to win.

As to '05, well we won even more games in '01. Hell we could go back and say we won the gf in '86. What's your point?

That the '07 team was the strongest of the lot.

We had Hayne, Inu and Mateo in 09 as well. As for halves well Finch and Smith weren't much.

Tim Smith was at his peak in '07, and Finch was a former Origin player, who was good enough two years later for Melbourne to want him in their first grade side.

The '09 side had much worse halves than the '07 team, plus the key forwards (and wingers) were all on the decline. It's true that Hayne, Inu and Mateo were all better players in '09, but on balance that side had plenty of blokes on the way down.

Mortimer in 09 was in better form than them and Robson was great for us and has been great for the Sharks.

Mortimer and Robson are both cheap squad players benefitting from quality teammates these days. Just like they were in 2009.
 

strider

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ohhhhhh so many things for Pou to set everyone straight on


if we knew why it went to shit, it probably could have been stopped ...... so many possible reasons
 

The Colonel

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We overachieved in 2001. We had a very good roster and played well to the rules. We met a team in the grand final that plate to the rules much better than we did.

I would say 2000 was our best chance. Had Jason Smith been available and Luke Bury four or five inches taller I think we would have beaten the Roosters.

2007 was also one of our better chances.

2009 was a fantastic run but certainly not a team you would have been banking on building around for years to come.
 

Poupou Escobar

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ohhhhhh so many things for Pou to set everyone straight on

So because you don't have an opinion you begrudge others the right to theirs?

Or is it my opinion you specifically have a problem with?

Don't be a hater just because I argue convincingly.
 
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My question that nobody is able to give an answer to is
Why didn't that 2009 team with the great momentum leading into the grand final say together for 1 or 2 more seasons?
I do think if this was the case the eels would of won the premiership in those seasons.
Don't say oh because of the cap & upgrade to some players, please just look at manly & Melbourne the bulk of their team have been there for a while now.

Out of the 17 grandfinal team there are only 4 left.

In my opinion, and it is only my opinion, mentality let this club down.

To support that, there are a large number of people that would call the 2009 run, a flash in the pan, we captured lightning in a bottle for 10 of those 11 weeks and we went far. However that does not explain round 26 of that year.

Some will tell you Daniel Anderson didn't know what he did to make the side click as it was a much reported line. However the line after that was "They started to listen to me" is far more telling.

In 2010, we did not start well but by Round 6 we had won 2 and lost a few narrow ones. The team flew to Townsville to take on the Cowboys, and while on the plane, the Storm scandal broke. There was a team meeting in Townsville I am told that explained to the boys what happened, and Caylo was interviewed saying we don't want to win the cup this way, we want to win it fair and square.

They went on to beat the Cowboys away, and came home to smack the dogs leading into the bye, out of the bye we beat the Sea Eagles again and were sitting in 6th and things were building, we lost by 4 at home to the sharks and got smacked the weekend after by 30 to the Dragons. The week after that we came home to play the storm. The only time we would play the Storm that year.

That game was a war. The fans were out in the stand with fake cash waving it at the Storm players, and you could tell the side was fired up. Hayne gave Slatter a Liverpool kiss and almost missed Origin. We won and went into the Bye in 8th.

But that was it, the intensity had gone. Their next game against the Knights in Newcastle in terrible conditions was lost on the bell with a converted try. We lead that game 4-0 at the 79th minute I believe, it was a heart breaker, but we should have been better, we then lost to the Broncos at home, and the Warriors away. This is when scuttlebutt around the club started to talk about replacing Coach Anderson, The boys went on to win their next 3 games, against the Cowboys, put on a wow of a display to come back from an early deficit against the Panthers at Penrith, and then beat the Bulldogs on a Friday, keeping us in 10th spot one win out of the 8.

We lost to the Roosters at home, and then the Titans away, a game in which the Rumours of the coach being removed gained momentum, with SK touted as the new coach. There were also the sightings of the CEO, Chairman and Hayne at a Brisbane establishment co-owned by the chairman, speaking with Quade Cooper, whom DA didn't want.

The boys beat the Broncos in Brisbane, and then loos a heart breaker to the West Tigers on the bell with a missed kick to Burty and a break by Tahu called back which would have scored. That game would have put us into the 8.

We still had a chance against the Rabbitohs, but the boys turned in a Lack laster performances and we ended up going out with a whimper at home against the Warriors.

I still say DA's biggest fault was letting them lose focus after the Storm game, they were a top 8 side and should have played in the finals that year without a doubt.

After that, the incompetence of our CEO linked with the Coaches inability to manage a full year campaign saw more issues. The rumour that our "Old Boys" were not getting on with the "New Wave/ Polynesian contingent" continued to surface, and as such, the old boys were quietly told they were not needed, in favour of the new talent. Some said this would mean we would get better, but we still have failed at that.

The club has been on a downward slide since that Storm game in 2010. I honestly believe that was our grand final and we played it and left everything on the park, including a will to win any further.
 

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