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No, the question was whether he was given the same opportunity as Jake Arthur.Well here is an article about Fogarty and BA:
How Eels exit and Arthur’s hard truths eventually launched an NRL revival
When Jamal Fogarty left Parramatta he was ready to give up on the NRL for good before lessons learned from Brad Arthur eventually helped launch a late-blooming career.www.smh.com.au
ends a few stories about the eels not giving him a chance….
I think that's an odd question because Fogarty was signed from QLD reserve grade to play for the Eels in 2017. He started in NSW Cup and was released in July 2017. He played 12 games total in NSW Cup.
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We'll never know as he admits that he pulled the pin and wanted to move to the Gold Coast.
We also had Jeff Robson 1.0 although I don't know if he played. Then we signed Moses. In contrast to that during Jake's time we didn't replace either Smith or Robson, thus moving him up the pecking order. So that's not the same opportunity.I think that's an odd question because Fogarty was signed from QLD reserve grade to play for the Eels in 2017. He started in NSW Cup and was released in July 2017. He played 12 games total in NSW Cup.
During the early rounds, Will Smith and Corey Norman were halves BUT Moses had his first game at the Eels in May 2017.
Eels release Jamal Fogarty
The Parramatta Eels have released half Jamal Fogarty, effective immediately.
Custom Match List - RLP
List of matches played by Mitchell Moses in Australia/NZ for the Parramatta Eels.
We do know that during his time he wasn't given the same opportunity. Otherwise he'd have played instead of will Smith.
He was here for less than a season FFS and admitted that his head wasn't in it. Sounds like we did the sensible thing by not promoting him to first grade.
I don't think he said his head wasn't in it. He said he was unhappy. He did say he'd worked his butt off. Irregardless, Arthur essentially replaced Will Smith and is our only backup half. If Fogarty had the same opportunity he'd have been playing. I don't know why you guys want to argue something so obvious.
I think you're drawing a long bow to find instances of unfair opportunity when it comes to Fogarty. We signed him late 2016, however early 2017 Moses came onto the market. This article is dated 5 April and we had already made him an offer. So that means we made an offer to Moses prior to Rnd 4 2017.
Right so he was fourth or fifth choice half, whereas Arthur was third and even a 14. That's not the same opportunity.I think you're drawing a long bow to find instances of unfair opportunity when it comes to Fogarty. We signed him late 2016, however early 2017 Moses came onto the market. This article is dated 5 April and we had already made him an offer. So that means we made an offer to Moses prior to Rnd 4 2017.
Rnd 1 we started with Gutho and Norman as 6 & 7. French was FB.
Rnd 2 we started with Gutho and Norman as 6 & 7. French was FB.
Rnd 3 we started with Gutho and Robson as 6 & 7. French was FB.
Rnd 4 we started with Gutho and Norman as 6 & 7. French was FB.
Context re French. in 2016 he had an amazing Rookie year. Makes sence that we shifted him to FB.
NRL season 2017: Luke Brooks agrees to two-year Wests Tigers deal as Parramatta chase Mitchell Moses
Luke Brooks has agreed to a two-year, $1.1 million deal to stay at the Wests Tigers, however the future of his halves partner Mitchell Moses is in limbo as he weighs up an offer from Parramatta.
Are you just pointing out that Fogarty was lower in the pecking order in 2017 than JA is now?
I don't see the difference you're implying and haven't softened anything. The rank in the pecking order essentially is the opportunity. Arthur has played NRL games as a result of being higher, both as a half and even a utility. So no they didn't get the same opportunity. And their careers thus far suggest we either haven't judged one or both of them on their ability.
Well no I wasn't but I'm confident he would be. The point is there isn't a Jeff Robson on the books.
Do you think Fogarty should have been moved higher up the pecking order in 2017?
OK then, If Will Smith was still on the books, are you confident that Will would not have seen any FG in 2022 as Jake would have been ahead of him in the pecking order ?
Well if he was then you guys might have an argument that he was given the same opportunity.
You still aren't getting it. Will Smith isn't on the books and so Arthur has been given an opportunity that Fogarty was not.
That isn't my argument at all. I'm just trying to understand what yours is. If its just that Fogarty had more players in front of him than Arthur then it will be a little anti-climactic tbh.
