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Eels release Kieran Foran

Chipmunk

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muznik said:
Second one I'll give you but wouldn't TAB employees sign a confidentiality agreement the same as bank workers etc. How does Bourbon Bec know WTF Foran was betting with the TAB?
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Well that's an internal matter for the TAB, of which outside of the Privacy Act breach, I can't see an actual criminal offence being committed, but the TAB is some how still part of the "State" so, it's possible, but again, unlikely.

Leaks are also fairly hard to prove, particularly if it's just by phone contact.
 
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Chipmunk said:
Well that's an internal matter for the TAB, of which outside of the Privacy Act breach, I can't see an actual criminal offence being committed, but the TAB is some how still part of the "State" so, it's possible, but again, unlikely.

Leaks are also fairly hard to prove, particularly if it's just by phone contact.
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Ironically, casinos and betting agencies have a duty of care to act when a patron suffers heavy or frequent loses. Problem gamblers have successfully sued gaming houses for not intervening. I say ironically because such a loss by Foran was probably flagged to a certain employee(s) whose job was to monitor or even make contact. IIRC those that are identified as problem gamblers need to be offered self-exclusion. So (I'm guessing) that in the process of Foran's name being flagged as a merkin who has just taken a huge hit, instead of taking positive steps towards his well being, they blabbed it to the media. Probably under a standing arrangement that juicy info comes with a reward.
 
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Gronk said:
Ironically, casinos and betting agencies have a duty of care to act when a patron suffers heavy or frequent loses. Problem gamblers have successfully sued gaming houses for not intervening. I say ironically because such a loss by Foran was probably flagged to a certain employee(s) whose job was to monitor or even make contact. IIRC those that are identified as problem gamblers need to be offered self-exclusion. So (I'm guessing) that in the process of Foran's name being flagged as a merkin who has just taken a huge hit, instead of taking positive steps towards his well being, they blabbed it to the media. Probably under a standing arrangement that juicy info comes with a reward.
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There have been more unsuccessful attempts than successful ones I think.

But the responsible gambling thing is massively overstated.

They have pretended they were monitoring it for heavy losses.

In practice they would have noted that the bets were outside his usual scale. They may also have noticed if they were from a different IP address.

Their main concern would have been that a pro had got hold of someone's account. Someone who they wouldn't let bet with them in his own name.

Bookmaki g joints don't give two f**ks about responsible gambling. They ban people for winning every day. They would hardly ever bar a loser and even then only if self excluded.
 
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The Foran issue would be more of a concern for our club if it was someone else using his account by the way.
 
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Bigfella said:
There have been more unsuccessful attempts than successful ones I think.

But the responsible gambling thing is massively overstated.

They have pretended they were monitoring it for heavy losses.

In practice they would have noted that the bets were outside his usual scale. They may also have noticed if they were from a different IP address.

Their main concern would have been that a pro had got hold of someone's account. Someone who they wouldn't let bet with them in his own name.

Bookmaki g joints don't give two f**ks about responsible gambling. They ban people for winning every day. They would hardly ever bar a loser and even then only if self excluded.
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Yes it's a fine line and probably a facade of programs rather than actively actioning anything.

https://www.tabcorp.com.au/responsible-gambling.aspx

Anyway my point was rather than someone randomly noticing Foran's account balance fluctuations, I'm guessing that it was flagged as a huge hit which prompted a merkin calling his news pimp.
 
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Chipmunk said:
Well that's an internal matter for the TAB, of which outside of the Privacy Act breach, I can't see an actual criminal offence being committed, but the TAB is some how still part of the "State" so, it's possible, but again, unlikely.

Leaks are also fairly hard to prove, particularly if it's just by phone contact.
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You're joking right? This is a huge offence.

What's next? Bank employees leaking account statements of players? Hospitals leaking medical records? I suppose that wouldn't be a big deal either?

Something needs to be done about these companies leaking anything they feel like to the media.

And if they didn't, and the DT have hacked Foz's phone (let's face it, they have form there), then someone needs to go to jail. This cannot be acceptable, I don't care if he's in the public eye or just a regular Joe.

Besides, how the f**k is it anyones business what Keiren does at the TAB? I'm no fan of gambling, but that doesn't mean I condone publishing someones activity for all to see.

Journalists argue that "The people have a right to know". Bullshit, we have no f**king right to know that. That's his personal business and has nothing to do with anything. I'm amazed this just went by with no outrage, it's disgusting.
 
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ash411 said:
You're joking right? This is a huge offence.

What's next? Bank employees leaking account statements of players? Hospitals leaking medical records? I suppose that wouldn't be a big deal either?

Something needs to be done about these companies leaking anything they feel like to the media.

And if they didn't, and the DT have hacked Foz's phone (let's face it, they have form there), then someone needs to go to jail. This cannot be acceptable, I don't care if he's in the public eye or just a regular Joe.

Besides, how the f**k is it anyones business what Keiren does at the TAB? I'm no fan of gambling, but that doesn't mean I condone publishing someones activity for all to see.

Journalists argue that "The people have a right to know". Bullshit, we have no f**king right to know that. That's his personal business and has nothing to do with anything. I'm amazed this just went by with no outrage, it's disgusting.
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Aren't you the bloke who used law.com to tell me that I was wrong about the possibility of fraud charges relating to our salary cap investigation?

Chipmunk is right. It may well be the case that someone at the TAB has breached the Privacy Act, and their contract of employment, and if true should be fired. But unless this has been done by illegal surveillance that's about it. That is the question that Chipmunk was responding to. There may also a civil case to be made against the people who published the story (depending on whether it is substantively true).

What 'huge offense' has been committed? Something may be hugely offensive (I think this case is), but it doesn't make it a huge offense in a legal sense.
 
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And having a bet isn't entirely private anyway.

If your bets are going into a tote pool there is a public aspect.

All the bookmakers have as a condition of their license that any suspicious activity be reported to the regulators. The regulators frequently call for betting records to be produced (with names).

It's not like they have accessed his medical records or his solicitor file.
 
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Bigfella said:
And having a bet isn't entirely private anyway.

If your bets are going into a tote pool there is a public aspect.

All the bookmakers have as a condition of their license that any suspicious activity be reported to the regulators. The regulators frequently call for betting records to be produced (with names).

It's not like they have accessed his medical records or his solicitor file.
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Regulators. sure, that's fair enough, but the Daily Telegraph? last time I checked they were not a regulatory organisation.

The reason it is ok for totes to report to regulators is because they are bound by the same confidentiality covenant that the totes are (or should be).

How much people bet and on what are not matters of public record, nor should they be. I mean if you wanna post on twitter "hey, just blew $75K on the horses, welp!" then great for you, but that's not something the media should report on, especially when they are given account details (I don't know what form the leak came in) illegally.
 
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