Embarrassment.

[imported_Lord Ted]

To me a source acute embarrassment is that John Howard is the number 1 ticket holder for the Dragons.
We have different nationalities and colour in our playing list.
We have diverse cultural backgrounds as our supporter base.
To beDragons fan,is to be anti-racist, in my opinion.
Therefore John Howard and the Dragons are mutually exclusive.

 

[Johnsy]

it makes my skin crawl, here here ted.
Johnsy

 

[CyberKev2002]

Lord Ted

Football clubs are certainly a world removed from the Liberal Party in that they endeavour to be all inclusive with their memberships and societal reach. Unfortunately, to be all-inclusive means that you have to wear the occasional piece of useless riff-raff, but I never let such clowns enter my field of consciousness when the weekend drifts around.

Johnsy

Nice to hear from you, Old Son! I'm happy enough being twins, but I do have one question... Am I the good looking one, or the highly intelligent one? You should also feel extra sympathy for me re: political tossers supporting your footy team... During the Emperor of Melbourne's (former Victorian Liberal Premier, Jeff Kennett) reign he was the number one ticket holder at Hawthorn and even my Liberal supporting acquaintances used to give me all manner of shit over it!

You can choose your team, but you can't choose your [expletives deleted]
CyberKev

 

[Johnsy]

Kev
How are things up north?
Well Kev I will let you decide which one tweedle dum or tweedle dee, come to think of it neither of those 2 fit the criteria you mentioned. Lets just say for arguments sake we can pick, choose and change depending on the need.
It is a source of much chagrin, when you have one of the largest living scrotums associated with "your" club.
Johnsy

 

[legend]

I wonder what you guys will do if you found out Nathan Blacklock or any Dragons player for that matter voted for the "largest living scrotum"?

Undoubtedly some of your beloved heroes would have helped Mr Howard regain power but you will all still support each and every player no matter what their political persuasion may be. I find that hypocritical in the extreme.

BTW, Mr Howard, who is entitled to the same level of freedom of choice as all of us has every right to choose his own football team and should not be castigated for his choice of team should it not be to your liking. I find that segregated attitudeelitist and farcical. You talk about all fans being able to support your club, but only if they fall in line with your views eh?

 

[legend]

Sorry, forgot to add this to my last post. These rants reek of sour grapes The people have spoken.

 

[Johnsy]

I dont have a problem with anyone voting for whoever they please, its their right choice, i have a problem with him, the scrotum. Thats a very presumptious attitude Legend.
Johnsy

 

[Cronulla_Mania]

Couldn't agree more Legend...get over it gents, the coalition won
As for J.Howard, 'Mr Scrotum', im assuming that you are referring to him as being racist because of his immigrant stance. Well hold on, wasn't it Labor who shared a VERY similar view? Come on, lets be realistic about things here.....It was a common view shared by a high majority of the population (and both sides of politics)
MFC.

 

[legend]

It is a source of much chagrin, when you have one of the largest living scrotums associated with "your" club.

I arrived at my presumptions partly through this sentence. I was talking about Howard supporting your club, not so much freedom of choice in terms of who you vote for. Read my post again mate.

 

[Johnsy]

I arrived at my presumptions partly through this sentence. I was talking about Howard supporting your club, not so much freedom of choice in terms of who you vote for. Read my post again mate.
Well just for you I will.
I wonder what you guys will do if you found out Nathan Blacklock or any Dragons player for that matter voted for the "largest living scrotum"?
Nothing they can have whatever political beliefs they want. This is quite clearly a contradiction to what you claim, above.

Undoubtedly some of your beloved heroes would have helped Mr Howard regain power but you will all still support each and every player no matter what their political persuasion may be. I find that hypocritical in the extreme.
Exactly why is it so, as I have said each to their own. Another contradiction.

BTW, Mr Howard, who is entitled to the same level of freedom of choice as all of us has every right to choose his own football team and should not be castigated for his choice of team should it not be to your liking. I find that segregated attitude elitist and farcical. You talk about all fans being able to support your club, but only if they fall in line with your views eh?
What a total load of shit. Yes he is entitled to suport whoever he likes, do we as supporters of that club have to like it NO. I am quite happy for anyone to any type of views, I dont need to agree with them but hey we all disagree on something. as you state I have the right of freedom of speech, I can air my opinion on whatever medium i like. Calling my "perceived attitude" elitist is extremelly rich coming from a person who is quite happy to support a political party who openly increases funding by millions of $ to the richest private schools in aus, while public schools go to the poorhouse. Hypocrite in the extreme legend.
I am sure we have seen this type of attempted censoring before on a different site. You do a great job on this site legend and I have and will support you in any way that i can, but your political views are different to mine. I can live with that and I have no problems saying whatever you want about the alp, its your right. The way you feel the need to defend the "little man" is bordering on pathetic.
Johns

 

[legend]

Johnsy, I am all for people speaking their mind but I draw the line at slanderous comments and I hardly think that is censorship. It is common sense. At the end of the day I am responsible for what is said here.

There have maybe been half a dozen threads deleted while LWOS has been running and i'm not about to start now. I am also not one who wields power like we have seen on other sites. I like to think everybody makes a valuable contribution to this forum to make it as successful as it is and the site pretty much manages itself thanks to a diverse group of managers.

Now to the pathetic comment. I don't which is more pathetic, to label the current govt racist or the way some keep failing to accept the umpires decision. There have'nt been any sore winners on this site and I would hope there woul'nt be any sore losers either but I think I was wrong about that one.

As far as the political side of this debate goes, I think we will agree to disagree. You have your allegiences and I have mine. I think you will see if I have bagged the ALP, it has been about their backflip on policies, not chartacter assassinations. If you had said the same about Beazley I would have taken the same stance.

I once had a post on WORL deleted for a similar type of comment.
As a wise old man once said....."a monument to poor taste".

 

[imported____]

The real embarressment is the fact that your reasoning behind your stance on John Howard is because he allegedly discriminates between people on the basis of race and yet such vulgar language is used against him on the basis of his political affiliations. Whether you agree with his policies or not is inconsequential to the fact that you ought to have some human decency and show a fellow member of the community a little respect.

 

[Willow]

Winners...losers...the election... who gives a stuff? The fact is a lot of Dragons supporters are embarrassed by Howard's token involvement with the club.

The presentation to Howard of the No1 ticket is similar to a doctorate he received at some University not long back.
Its all for kudos and publicity...the club gets a good free ad on the TV and the PM gets a free feed... but once that's done, it all means jack shit.

I remember when John Hewson was leader of the Liberal party and was telling anyone who listened that he was a Saints supporter. This didn't go down too well with Dragons some supporters.But I thought it was OK because hewas often on the grass next to the grand stand at Kogarah, not far fromone of my favourite possies...
To me, that confirmed him as supporter and politics didn't come into the equation after that. He was also involved with assisting in the club's administration.
Another pollie, Graeme Richardson from the ALP is also aSaints supporter.I'm Ok with that after I read that as Minister in the Hawke government, he pulled somestrings to getGraeme Langlands back from the Philippines for an important back operation.Richardson over stepped his ministerial boundaries andmay have copped criticism but he justified it by saying, 'Changa had given us so much to cheer about... it was time we gave something back'... afterwhich no one questioned him further. Once again, politics were put aside.

Apart from a few media grabs, I haven't seen Howard do anything for the Dragons and if he has ever been at a Dragons game, it'll be on his free ticket in the corporate box. Nothing I can do about it but I don't want him saying he is a supporter. I just don't know why he hangs around when he doesn't come across as the genuine article. But we can't stop what already has been done so I'm just going to get on with it.

Legend: Blacklock a Liberal supporter?In the words of another fellow forummer... blasemphous!

Look, I can solve this problem real easy. Given the fact that John Howard is just after a free ticket, why not Canberra adopt him? I know you'd likeit and the club would surely jump at it...!
Thats what I call a win - win situation!

 

[Cronulla_Mania]

"Apart from a few media grabs, I haven't seen Howard do anything for the Dragons and if he has ever been at a Dragons game, it'll be on his free ticket in the corporate box."

Willow, he is the PM! You can hardly expect him to be there week in week out. Im sure he has been @ Dragons games before, he does claim to have a long history with supporting the club, and i could find no evidence to refute that. I have heard him talking about their past in media interviews before.....Free tickets? Well, he is a pollie, what else would you expect?? lol

MFC.

 

[Willow]

I'd expect him to pay like everyone else, MFC. John Hewson paid when he was leader of the opposition.
I've never put much curry in this elevation of people to a certain status. I know loads of them get away with it all their lives but it doesn't make it right. (IMO)

 

[Johnsy]

Legend, well what can I say, except you raised some very valid points, as you mentioned we will agree to disagree and I can respect your stand. As for the nobody who wants to comment but without leaving a name, its fine to comment but it is easier to comment without signing your name to your views, pretty weak effort.
Johnsy

 

[legend]

Mate, all over and done with as far as i'm concerned.

 

[Johnsy]

Done as easy as that, I suppose we can resume in about 3 years time.
Cheers champ
Johnsy

 

[imported_TaxiDriver_]

If he was such a great supporter, why not pull a few strings to get us a decent homeground in Sydney.

I know I sure as hell would.

 

[CyberKev2002]

A few points without (hopefully trying to labour them)... 1) The people have indeed spoken and they have every right to elect a Liberal Government. I don't have a problem with the people, I have a problem with the Liberal Party blatantly peddling mistruths and the media acting as their muckraking mouthpieces. I like our style of election, but unfortunately it leaves most voters at the mercy of a mass media with an unabashed bias and precious little ethical responsibility. 2) It is indeed true that the Labor Party could equally stand condemned on the Immigration issue (God knows they're hardly perfect). The main difference here is that they never denied their approach and they didn't try to revolve an entire election campaign around this one bipartisan (but nevertheless divisive issue). As such, it is ludicrous for Liberals to claim they had superior policies because (once again) they didn't run on any. 3) Willow hit it right on the head when he cast doubts on the validity of the number 1 ticket holder concept and compared it to the bestowing of Honorary Doctorates. I don't even want to get started on the obscenity of the latter, suffice to say that I don't believe we have EVER had a politician worthy of the honour! Besides, the way they tart them around these days to any two-bob celebrity figure has meant that they have little real value or credibility; being reduced largely to self-serving promotional exercises by universities feeling the pinch from growing governmental neglect. The number one ticket holder concept is similarly overrated and abused. CyberKev