England lack composure when it counts...

[NRLMad]

I think England played exceptionally well for the most of 62mins. Basically, as soonas Shenton got knocked out they were out of the game. Beofre this, they were well in the game.

- Thurston held down for a penalty that eventually led to a try.
- a forward pass for the next try to move out to 24-18.

England lacked composure & it led to a capitulation. They need to kick for touch and kick long to avoid broken play attacks. They also need to be slightly more inventive on the 5th tackle (as per their 1st half).

There are striking similarities between NZ about 3 years ago & England now. They've bit the bullet by getting rid of mainstays like Senior and Long. I think they are building quite well for the next WC. The forwards they have seem to be getting better - e.g. Graham, Burgess, Crabtree...

Thoughts?

 

[user_nat]

I think they were good for most of the game.

They really need to stop with the short kick offs though.

 

[Hallatia]

their lack of composure in the last 20 minutes is what lost them the game, but they were spent by about the 60 minute mark. The break when Shenton got knocked out didn't even do anything for them apart from kill their momentum. There was promising signs in the first hour of the game but their overall game lacks maturity and finesse. Better direction in both attack and defence would help ...

 

[aussies1st]

They certainly have the forward pack to do the damage. Burgess is an awesome talent. Their halves are solid but hardly hear them mentioned compared to our ones. The fullback isn't as good as Wellens, who could have given them more flair in attack.

 

[8Ball]

The fullback isn't as good as Wellens, who could have given them more flair in attack.

:lol: Funny but true.

 

[j0nesy]

I think England played exceptionally well for the most of 62mins. Basically, as soonas Shenton got knocked out they were out of the game. Beofre this, they were well in the game.

- Thurston held down for a penalty that eventually led to a try.
- a forward pass for the next try to move out to 24-18.

I thought they were struggling leading up to the Shenton knockout, they looked out on their feet to me. If anything I thought the Shenton knockout allowed them to regain their breath a bit. But for 50 odd minutes they played well.

England lacked composure & it led to a capitulation. They need to kick for touch and kick long to avoid broken play attacks. They also need to be slightly more inventive on the 5th tackle (as per their 1st half).

There are striking similarities between NZ about 3 years ago & England now. They've bit the bullet by getting rid of mainstays like Senior and Long. I think they are building quite well for the next WC. The forwards they have seem to be getting better - e.g. Graham, Burgess, Crabtree...

Thoughts?

The problem for England is that it is an 80 minute game. Their forwards are big, strong and skillful. We have similar players in the NRL, although probably not as many, but it's very hard for several 110-120kg forwards to play for 80 minutes. This is why Australia tend to select the 80 minute players at rep level, even at club level they tend not to be favoured. Most clubs probably only have one giant in their roster, it's a symptom of the pace of the game these days. That is the difference between ESL and NRL - NRL is played week in week out at a much greater pace.

 

[NRLMad]

The problem for England is that it is an 80 minute game. Their forwards are big, strong and skillful. We have similar players in the NRL, although probably not as many, but it's very hard for several 110-120kg forwards to play for 80 minutes. This is why Australia tend to select the 80 minute players at rep level, even at club level they tend not to be favoured. Most clubs probably only have one giant in their roster, it's a symptom of the pace of the game these days. That is the difference between ESL and NRL - NRL is played week in week out at a much greater pace.

I'd have to agree there with you. They need to look at getting a better balance between big bopper & 80 minute player. I think they had more of these types of players previosuly so I think the balance is getting closer to right..

 

[8Ball]

1. Eastmond
6. Tomkins
7. Myler

There's a good young 1 6 and 7 you can build your team around. I'd also find room for Maguire somewhere on the bench.

 

[Billythekid]

1. Eastmond
6. Tomkins
7. Myler

There's a good young 1 6 and 7 you can build your team around. I'd also find room for Maguire somewhere on the bench.

They need someone who can kick. If your kicking game is that poor against Australia you will never win.

All Tomkins did the whole game was that little jink, he beats one bloke but never puts himself in a position to do anything more. Hie passing and kicking game looked poor. Plus he looks weak in defense.

Myler actually looked like quite an exciting prospect.

 

[8Ball]

They need someone who can kick. If your kicking game is that poor against Australia you will never win.

All Tomkins did the whole game was that little jink, he beats one bloke but never puts himself in a position to do anything more. Hie passing and kicking game looked poor. Plus he looks weak in defense.

Myler actually looked like quite an exciting prospect.

Myler and Sinfield would be the main kickers anyway.

 

[NRLMad]

They need someone who can kick. If your kicking game is that poor against Australia you will never win.

All Tomkins did the whole game was that little jink, he beats one bloke but never puts himself in a position to do anything more. Hie passing and kicking game looked poor. Plus he looks weak in defense.

Myler actually looked like quite an exciting prospect.

The only issues with Eastmond beig t the back is his lack of size. I'd bring in Pryce. He seemed to be quite qucik & elusive.

1. Pryce
6. Eastmond
7. Tomkins/Myler
9. Alker - he seems to be a tackling machine
11. Burgess
13. Sinfield

 

[Rastus_in_Melbourne]

England lack ability and heart when it counts. Quit apologising for them, they are sh*t. 37 year losing steak. They deserve no respect.

 

[S.S.T.I.D]

They lack basic skills in the 1, 6, 7 and 9 positions. Their kicking game is just utter vomit. They are extraordinarily disorganised in attack and defense.

I tend to believe that they are simply not getting adequate coaching at the junior level. It is the only conclusion that I can draw for their lack of skills and ability to think quickly at the top level.

 

[Chook Norris]

They need someone who can kick. If your kicking game is that poor against Australia you will never win.

All Tomkins did the whole game was that little jink, he beats one bloke but never puts himself in a position to do anything more. Hie passing and kicking game looked poor. Plus he looks weak in defense.

Myler actually looked like quite an exciting prospect.

I agree, i definitely don't think Tomkins is what England need in the halves

I saw him stifle the backline movements too many times, that left foot step won't work most of the time... needs to learn to link with his backline

IF i was coach.. i'd also put Eastmond at FB.. they are in need of a quick returner of the ball

 

[Sonic Star]

They lack basic skills in the 1, 6, 7 and 9 positions. Their kicking game is just utter vomit. They are extraordinarily disorganised in attack and defense.

I tend to believe that they are simply not getting adequate coaching at the junior level. It is the only conclusion that I can draw for their lack of skills and ability to think quickly at the top level.

correct.

Kicking game was non exist. Both halves seem to be the same. They try and run the ball and break the line but seem to lack the fundamental skills that you need in the halves.

When both Burgess and Peacock go off the field they seem to lack impact up the middle as well.

Australia were rubbish for most of the game, if England had a decent kicking game they could have beaten us or got very close to it.

 

[Chook Norris]

From an outside point of view, if i hadn't seen the team sheet, i wouldn't have known England had halves tbh

Along with that England didn't seem to have any set pieces that looked like it would challenge the Aussie Line

When they spread the ball one way, it stays that way.. quite predictable; doesn't help too when they speed at which they spread it is almost slow motion

 

[Steve Davy]

They lack basic skills in the 1, 6, 7 and 9 positions. Their kicking game is just utter vomit. They are extraordinarily disorganised in attack and defense.

I tend to believe that they are simply not getting adequate coaching at the junior level. It is the only conclusion that I can draw for their lack of skills and ability to think quickly at the top level.

I think the coaching is behind. The whole infastructure is not a shadow of that in Australia. They are not playing the game as kids and when they do, it is often a case of giving it to the big kid to barge through. Soccer had to transform its training regime and rugby league will have to do the same.

A poster ealier pointed out that no-one can kick, we have great kickers in England, but they are not playing rugby league and would be ill advised to do so.

 

[S.S.T.I.D]

I think the coaching is behind. The whole infastructure is not a shadow of that in Australia. They are not playing the game as kids and when they do, it is often a case of giving it to the big kid to barge through. Soccer had to transform its training regime and rugby league will have to do the same.

A poster ealier pointed out that no-one can kick, we have great kickers in England, but they are not playing rugby league and would be ill advised to do so.

But are the kids that are playing in representative sides at the ages of 13, 14, 15 and who have clearly chosen league as their sport getting the coaching on basic aspects of our game, like kicking? It seems that you are saying that they are not.

As far as I am concerned if English union have players that can kick a ball beautifully than why don't the English league players? It just doesn't make sense to me. And as I said I can only find that their must be a fault in the coaching that these kids receive.

Because as much as it might look like Smith, Lockyer, Thurston and co. were kicking 40/20's from the age of 6 months, at the end of the day they were taught these skills.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

The coaching doesnt appear to be very indepth, especially one on one with players. For example, too many times Iv seen in English Rugby League they go for that massive long cut out pass, but the passes are so slow, they give the defence time to cover andm the pass is never thrown with the reciever moving, so they lose all momentum.. The only player I have ever seen perfect that kind of cut out pass was Tim Smith but Kyle Eastmond appears to have a good understanding of the game and I still believe that Danny McGuire does too.

Kyle is at a very crucial point in his career and he really needs a coach who is willing to perfect his skills instead of inhibiting them, something I feel has happened to Danny Mcguire.

 

[slammingsam]

Well maybe a NRL club should snap up Eastmond