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Ethnic origins of Oz's youth RL elite

Copa

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=4&ObjectID=10126691
THE MELTING POT
Ethnic origin of players in the S.G. Ball (under-16) and Harold Matthews (under-18) elite age-group competitions in Sydney

651 players registered:
New Zealand 127
Samoa 66
Tonga 41
Lebanon 36
Italy 27
Aboriginal 22
Cook Islands 13
Fiji 13
China 5
Croatia 5
Malta 5
India 2
Sri Lanka 1
Cambodia 1


Jersey Flegg (under-20s)
600 players registered:
100 have New Zealand links
 

DIEHARD

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How is that worked out Copa?

Place of birth? Parents? Grand parents?

New Zealand 127

I wonder how many of those will go on to being eligible for the Kiwis, or being poached by the NSW/ARL.

We have massive problems with young Kiwis aligning themselves with QLD and NSW.
 

DIEHARD

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League: Polynesian power in demand in Australia

By Peter Jessup

The number of New Zealand-linked players in Australian league competitions has exploded as clubs seek Polynesian power.

The spread and depth in numbers of young players who may graduate to representative level is good for the Kiwis.

But the dearth of numbers in the key positions of hooker, halfback, five-eighth and fullback shows little sign of improvement.

Excluding the Warriors, 40 players of New Zealand background are now playing in the top 26-man squads in NRL clubs. But in the under-20s Jersey Flegg competition there are 600 registered players, and 100 of them have a background in New Zealand or family links.

In the under-16s S.G. Ball and under-18s Harold Matthews competitions in Sydney, 651 players are registered, of whom 127 have New Zealand links. And many of the 66 of Samoan background and the 41 of Tongan heritage may also have been born here, or their parents were.

It's an opportunity the New Zealand Rugby League is keen to mine.

In future there will be greater contact with players who leave for Australia so they maintain their allegiance to this country rather than go the path Karmichael Hunt did in electing to make himself available for State of Origin. Hunt might have played international football by now, but instead is around fourth choice for Queensland.

So far this season 140 players have sought release from the NZRL to play in Australia. Some go of their own accord to try their luck, some have promises from talent scouts, some have offers from lower-grade clubs affiliated to NRL sides. Few have contracts guaranteeing wages.

But increasingly the NRL clubs are realising that the teenage talent they identify here, particularly the Polynesian boys, need family support and more development at home before they step into the big city.

The Roosters, Eels, Penrith and Bulldogs are among clubs that have players in the under-16s and under-18s National Junior Competition in New Zealand who will go to Bartercard Cup before shifting to Sydney.

The realignment of our age-group competitions with theirs, the NJC now mirroring the Ball and Matthews competitions, was former Kiwis coach Daniel Anderson's idea.

It appears to be working in throwing up promising juniors. In Wellington, NZRL development officer Paul Bergman has gone a step further as coach of those two teams and the Bartercard side. The elite players of all ages train together at times and the teenagers thus know exactly what is expected of them.

NRL interest would appear to suggest the scheme is working, with Bergman's youthful halves from last year all poached.

"The NJC gives them some idea of coping with sustained pressure," said Anderson, who recognises there is a problem throughout New Zealand league with "clocking off", at all levels to the Kiwis.

It's partly as a result of Polynesian power, he feels. Some players are so good they do not have to play for 80 minutes. When they drop the ball they just wait for it to be given back from the kick or by an opposition mistake; in part it's a rugby attitude, he says, which does not exist in Australia. In the NRL and at test level, where possession has to be respected, that attitude is fatal.

It's borne out by the early game of Ali Lauitiiti, who was continually penalised for bad play-the-balls when he first came into the NRL. Coach at the time Mark Graham pointed out that Lauitiiti was so good he hardly ever played the ball; when he got it, he usually scored.

There's a feeling in the league establishment here that the power game has stifled the development of smart ball-playing hookers and halves as well as taking the edge off the drive for a long field-kicking game.

There are few number ones, sixes, sevens and nines among all those players drafted to Aussie clubs. The bulk are second-rowers and centres, with some props and big wingers.

Halves and hookers among the recent departures include Wellingtonians Marvin Karawana and John Te Reo who are at the Bulldogs and Brisbane respectively, Aucklanders Greg Eastwood and Isaac Luke at the same clubs respectively, Matthew Parata who has gone to Keebra Park High where Benji Marshall was nurtured for Wests Tigers, David Faiumu who is at the Cowboys, Shaun Kenny Dowel from Waikato who went to the Roosters, John Tavinor (Northland) is at Parramatta. Matthew Wade (Waikato) is signed to the Eels but playing here.

Anderson set in place a plan for the NZRL to run position-specific elite camps: Halfbacks called together for a day, or field kickers, with input from experts. He wants Daryl Halligan further involved in teaching goal-kicking, as he is contracted to do for various NRL clubs.

"Players here are good at little attacking kicks but they have no length - there's a big gap to the [Braith] Anastas, the [Brad] Fittlers and the [Brett] Kimmorleys who kick long and high. The halves have to develop more. Because of the power game they don't need to do too much. But the half has to go to the line, to create more. Here [in New Zealand], they don't develop vision as they grow up in the way they do in Australia."

The Australian clubs wanted to get the punch that had benefited the Warriors and Kiwis and teams like Penrith, with Kiwis backrowers Frank Pritchard, Joe Galuvao and Tony Puletua. But they are also developing halves with vision and kicking skills.

The NZRL is getting a win financially from the exodus of players. Clubs must pay development fees, some up front and a second payment when a player takes the field: A Bartercard player commands A$3500 ($3732) up front, A$7000 in total; a provincial representative or NJC player A$2000/A$5000; a Junior Kiwi A$2000/A$5000 if aged 16 and A$7500/A$15,000 over 16. More than A$100,000 has been banked this season so far.

Just posting the article in the thread, you know how some of those news sites are. In a couple months we wont be able to read the article on their site any more.
 

Copa

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Earier in the (NZ) article it says "And many of the 66 of Samoan background and the 41 of Tongan heritage may also have been born here, or their parents were. " I guess it reflects the place of birth of the players or their parents.

The list wuld be huge if grand parents were included...

But you're right... it's not clear how the list was assembled.
 

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That has to be wrong. There's no way there would only be 22 kids that identify as having a koori background in those comps, you could draw half of that from Souths alone. Those stats look like they didn't take into account the huge numbers of kids running around with mixed backgrounds, hence the Kiwi and Italian numbers in particular are probably a lot lower than a realistic figure as well.
 

dimitri

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sounds very promising

i hope nz manage to keep ahold of these players when they are ready for test level
 

playdaball

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Big Bunny said:
That has to be wrong. There's no way there would only be 22 kids that identify as having a koori background in those comps, you could draw half of that from Souths alone. Those stats look like they didn't take into account the huge numbers of kids running around with mixed backgrounds, hence the Kiwi and Italian numbers in particular are probably a lot lower than a realistic figure as well.

I was surprised to see such a low number - surely more than 22 - or was it 13 from memory.

This article does highlight a real area of concern in NZ. This being the fact that Polyenesian power leads to NZ football lacking small men - halfs, five eights etc.
 

screeny

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That's a great article, refreshing and astute analysis and heartening that the NZRL seems to have a structured response to what is a glaring problem.
 

ali

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5 chinese in encouraging. If a genuine born and bread Chinese player can crack the top grade then I would love to see the effect.
 

yakstorm

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Those stats are quite wrong...there was closer to 700 kids total for the Junior Reps this year due to injuries and so on and whilst it has displayed the eligability for around 350 of them, those stats are quite different from the ones gathered by the NSWRL Academy.

For all players parentage and where the players were born were the main area of interest for the stats, and I can tell you that nations like Tonga, Samoa and even the Asian nations get a far larger representation in those figures.
 

hutch

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DIEHARD said:
How is that worked out Copa?

Place of birth? Parents? Grand parents?



I wonder how many of those will go on to being eligible for the Kiwis, or being poached by the NSW/ARL.

We have massive problems with young Kiwis aligning themselves with QLD and NSW.

its interesting how you say poached by the nsw/arl. i believe that if a player is bron in nz, played junior footy over there where the come under the eye of an nrl club and come to australia to play, then of course they should represent nobody but the kiwis (eg. sonny bill williams etc). but if a player is born in australia with nz parents (or even if they moved here at a young age, come through the aussie junior system and go onto play nrl, then they really have the choice of who they want to represent. you say that the arl have poached kiwi players, what about the players in the kiwi team who grew up or were born in australia. cayless brothers, frank pritchard, brent webb, you could say the kiwis poached them.
 

roopy

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Just looking at the Knights juniors - the players who might qualify for NZ or Pacific Islands are;

Peter Mata'Utia - fullback in Mathews
Ben Sione Tupou - winger in Mathews
Kruize Wilson - second row in Mathews

Frank Paranthoiene - winger in Ball
Terrence Seu Seu - fullback in Ball
Jon Tupou - lock in Ball
Akuila Uate - winger in Ball
Wendall Wilson - prop in Ball

Larry Tufua - prop in Flegg
Hanan Laban - second row in Flegg
Tim Natusch - prop in Flegg

Jesse Royal - prop in PL

George Carmont - centre in firstgrade
 

brook

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Big Bunny said:
That has to be wrong. There's no way there would only be 22 kids that identify as having a koori background in those comps, you could draw half of that from Souths alone. Those stats look like they didn't take into account the huge numbers of kids running around with mixed backgrounds, hence the Kiwi and Italian numbers in particular are probably a lot lower than a realistic figure as well.

The number for Fiji struck me as pretty low too - we've got a few fijian kids across the grades at Balmain and I'd imagine we'd have one of the less divirse junior bases compared to some other clubs (although we do have a huge amount of kiwis lol)
 

yappy

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They also missed our little Vietnamese halfback Marty Nguyen. We like most clubs it seems had heaps of Islanders and Kiwis in the power spots, but we also had Cassiano Aiga in Matthews who is a smart and agile fullback with the ball skills to play 5/8. Good kid.
 

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