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EXCLUSIVE: Knights, Wests at odds over ... $1m club loss

Frederick

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EXCLUSIVE: Knights, Wests at odds over ... $1m club loss
By BRETT KEEBLE

THE Newcastle Knights are bracing for a loss of about $1 million after a disastrous year on and off the field and the Wests Group is baulking at covering all the shortfall.

It is understood one of the main sticking points is which organisation is obliged to cover a $200,000 "golden parachute" to former Knights chief executive Ken Conway.

When the Knights and Wests Group announced their commercial partnership two years ago, the main component was Wests agreeing to underwrite the Knights for losses of up to $1 million a year, if required.

The Knights did not need Wests' financial safety net last year, as they reported a net profit of $813,255.

But a series of crises, such as the retirement of Andrew Johns, a drop in home crowds by an average 6000 a game, poor results from which the team narrowly avoided another wooden spoon and Mr Conway's payout have contributed to a likely seven-figure loss for 2007.

"I wouldn't like to speculate but it could be in that vicinity," Knights chief executive Steve Burraston told The Herald yesterday.

"That's the total exposure for Wests anyway, because our agreement with them has total exposure for $1 million.

"Whether we need all that, I wouldn't like to speculate but we'll certainly need part of it.

"I don't think we could have had a worse year if you'd have scripted it, from the boardroom problems and the CEO going, to Joey retiring, to the performance on the field mainly due to injury, to the poor weather conditions and significant number of night games and a whole lot of off-field controversy on top of that.

"It was one of those seasons last year and that was always the intention of the Knights-Wests agreement to protect the Knights when a bad year came along and I don't think there was anything more negative that could have happened to us last season."

Wests Group chief executive Phil Gardner would not comment when contacted yesterday.

"One thing I've been really strong on is making sure there is only one voice for the Knights and that is Steve Burraston," Mr Gardner said.

"All will be revealed in the fullness of time."

Mr Burraston said the Knights would settle their figures on December 31, the end of the club's financial year.

Those accounts would be audited before being presented to Wests, so he did not expect to announce the club's bottom line until February at the earliest but was confident any differences with Wests would be resolved amicably.

"The relationship between ourselves and Wests is still very strong and I don't believe that will be an issue," Mr Burraston said.

"It's no secret that we're coming off a pretty poor year.

"Our crowds were down from an average 22,000 to 16,000 and obviously that affects your ticket sales, your concession sales at the ground, your merchandising sales and so on, so we're not expecting a flash year at all in the wash-up."

Mr Burraston attributed the decline in attendance to Johns's sudden retirement early in the year, wet weather and the scheduling of nine night games at EnergyAustralia Stadium.
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Jono078

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Hmm, that's not so good.

2007 cant end soon enough for all involved with the Knights.
 
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Will our crowds go up to previous levels though? Joey was a unreplaceable drawing card.

Obviously if we get consistant results it shouldnt be a drama, however if we dont get those crowds its possible they could go down further.
 

Hanscholo

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It wasnt like i really needed to know this but yea, its clear that our beloved club is run by idiots.

Our crowds were 6k avg? I call BS there for a start. I dont recall seeing one crowd under 10k. Conway was paid off for what exactly? I am shaking my head in disbelief that the biggest entertainment business in Newcastle can so utterly f**k up their business plan and make nearly a 1 million loss. I find the andrew johns excuse laughable considering his fairwell game was actually one of the few times they drew a crowd. The board and the executive need replacing.
 

Jobdog

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Hanscholo said:
It wasnt like i really needed to know this but yea, its clear that our beloved club is run by idiots.

Our crowds were 6k avg? I call BS there for a start. I dont recall seeing one crowd under 10k. Conway was paid off for what exactly? I am shaking my head in disbelief that the biggest entertainment business in Newcastle can so utterly f**k up their business plan and make nearly a 1 million loss. I find the andrew johns excuse laughable considering his fairwell game was actually one of the few times they drew a crowd. The board and the executive need replacing.
I thought that meant that the crowds were 6,000 down on 2006? :?

RE: Crowds going back to being as big as they were, I don't think we'll regularly get the 23,24,25 000 crowds on a regular basis, but I don't see any reason why we can't regularly get between 18 and 20,000 on average provided the results are on the field.

As much as I hate to admit it, we don't like supporting a team who isn't successful. There are your regulars who will go and watch the team run around no matter where they're running on the ladder. For our crowds to go back up to the level they were when Johns was playing, it is imperative that the team is successful considering that "drawcard" is no longer there.
 

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Unfortunately it is blatently obvious that compared to other clubs we are run by amateurs. We suffered last year for all the years of inactivity in the player market. When the one person who made everyone else look good departed, the team looked and played like the calibre of players we had (ordinary) it's been coming for years, and the warning signs were there long ago when Johns form dropped off his high standard. Still we did nothing to recruit some quality. The recruitment policies have really let us down, and to be honest I don't think they changed much this year, (I hope I'm proven wrong, but for me we've bought a quality forward in Cross, and a bunch of fringe first graders, no genuine class backs) Considering the money that must have been available that is a poor result. Night games and Mon night games really killed us at the gate, and that doesn't look like changing either. We need profesionals running the place, you only have to attend the annual general meeting to get a feel for the type of people we have at the moment. The place needs to wake up to what's happening and put a broom through the administration of the place. I wonder if Smith is up to that job as well? No wonder Wests are baulking at forking out the money.
 

strewth_mate

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So this might have been explained at length elsewhere, but I'm unsure at the moment -

What's our association with Wests actually about? They gave the simplified spiel at a staff induction last year about Wests guaranteeing us $1mil every year, and dipping into their own pockets to make up the difference if the revenue from catering etc. falls short of that mark, but I supposed there's got to be a benefit for Wests themselves that they didn't exactly say. Surely they wouldn't just pump money into us if there's nothing in it for them.

They basic way they put it was that Wests would only come out in front if they made more than $1mil in a season. What else is involved? (pretty pleez?)
 

Pika

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Newcastle loves a winner.

The only way for the crowds to come back is results.
 

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strewth_mate said:
So this might have been explained at length elsewhere, but I'm unsure at the moment -

What's our association with Wests actually about? They gave the simplified spiel at a staff induction last year about Wests guaranteeing us $1mil every year, and dipping into their own pockets to make up the difference if the revenue from catering etc. falls short of that mark, but I supposed there's got to be a benefit for Wests themselves that they didn't exactly say. Surely they wouldn't just pump money into us if there's nothing in it for them.

They basic way they put it was that Wests would only come out in front if they made more than $1mil in a season. What else is involved? (pretty pleez?)

Wests underwrite us for 1mil pa.

meaning if we make a profit they give us nothing, and if we make a loss of under 1mil, they cover it to bring us to NIL operating loss. If we make a loss of over 1mil, the Knights wear whatever is over 1mil.

Wests also look after preparation of the ground for us.

it is a fantastic arrangement for the Knights. In return Wests get the catering rights to EAS and a whole lot of good will.
 

KniGhTs BaTTLeR

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Some people are stupid. It's alot easier to win close games when you 23/24,000 novacastrians screaming at you then 15,000. There was a time when the fans would show up no matter what.
 
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