Expansion, Manly and the Coasts

[Loudstrat]

Relocation HAS to be done by the club of it's own accord. Forcing a club to relocate is stupid - if a club doesnt see the need to relocate why should it have to?

 

[docbrown]

Relocation HAS to be done by the club of it's own accord. Forcing a club to relocate is stupid - if a club doesnt see the need to relocate why should it have to?

I think this was originally brought up in the context of the Shark's development failing and the club having financial troubles.

Perhaps the NRL should put the financial carrot back out there but this time for relocation to Perth, Brisbane & Wellington.

 

[Loudstrat]

I think more realistically that a club should approach the NRL to see what they can offer for relocation. It has to be club driven, not NRL driven.

 

[clarency]

I think more realistically that a club should approach the NRL to see what they can offer for relocation. It has to be club driven, not NRL driven.

"Realistically" the NRL should have the balls to drop a team when they are deemed a liability to the league.

 

[rednblack]

"Realistically" the NRL should have the balls to drop a team when they are deemed a liability to the league.

^^^

 

[Loudstrat]

They probably do.Clarency. Who would know unless that situation arises?

 

[bobmar28]

But you specifically said that a much larger city with a single team is "sensible".
By extension, you can mean only mean that another Brisbane side would not make any sense.

Just because you think there is a glut of teams in Sydney, why should we make the same "mistake" in Brisbane by introducing teams that don't make sense? Two wrongs don't make a right and all that...

What I meant was 9 teams in one city doesn't make sense.

 

[Loudstrat]

Why not?

 

[Haffa]

"Realistically" the NRL should have the balls to drop a team when they are deemed a liability to the league.

I'm sure if any team became a liabilty they would.

Melbourne had better start making $$

 

[Haffa]

What I meant was 9 teams in one city doesn't make sense.

I guess it's a good thing the Central Coast isn't part of Sydney.

 

[Loudstrat]

You watch him come back and say "NSW"

And then in the "start the comp from scratch" forum - he wants a team from Liverpool, where he lives. He's a two faced twat.

 

[Beowulf]

"Realistically" the NRL should have the balls to drop a team when they are deemed a liability to the league.

They told the Bears relocate or die. So no reason they won't tell another club the same in a few months time....

 

[bobmar28]

You watch him come back and say "NSW"

And then in the "start the comp from scratch" forum - he wants a team from Liverpool, where he lives. He's a two faced twat.

If there was a southwest Sydney team Liverpool would be a possible base for that club.

All I will say about the other thing is there is no need for more teams in NSW and yes, there are too many in Sydney.

 

[Loudstrat]

Are you some sort of internet recording service? I am sure you have cut and past the same post 3428 times!

You never give a reason (face it, you cannot ever give a credible reason for having no more teams in NSW if there is a huge market waiting for one - as there is)

I an certain that you do not exist. You are just some sort of wierd internet virus. I bet you never go to Chipping NORTON.

 

[Quidgybo]

I think more realistically that a club should approach the NRL to see what they can offer for relocation. It has to be club driven, not NRL driven.

The only way to truly work towards a coherent set of strategic aims is to have it driven from the centre. Not by forcing clubs to move but at least by being proactive in encouraging the relocation of clubs in areas that don't meet the long term strategic plan to areas that do. And that's where this thread started, asking what the NRL could offer a club (in this case Manly) to move to a long term target area (the northern end of SE Qld). From organising funding for new stadiums to lump sum and longer term monetary incentives to co-ordinated Sydney season tickets to maintain the existing fanbase. Ultimately it's still the club's choice but there's nothing wrong with the NRL doing the ground work to pave the way.

Leigh

 

[docbrown]

And that's where this thread started, asking what the NRL could offer a club (in this case Manly) to move to a long term target area (the northern end of SE Qld).

We're talking about using the Bears as helping restore interest in Rugby League on the Northern side of Sydney.

If we move Manly to Queensland that issue would be magnified.

That part of Sydney needs to maintain a team presence and Manly is it. By building a rivalry with the Bears and putting them in competition, that will help to build Manly's profile and secure their long term future.

Sure, there will be fans of other clubs living in that area but ultimately we want people on that side of the harbour to ask themselves: am I a Bears fan or a Sea Eagles fan?

 

[Beowulf]

We're talking about using the Bears as helping restore interest in Rugby League on the Northern side of Sydney.

If we move Manly to Queensland that issue would be magnified.

That part of Sydney needs to maintain a team presence and Manly is it. By building a rivalry with the Bears and putting them in competition, that will help to build Manly's profile and secure their long term future.

Sure, there will be fans of other clubs living in that area but ultimately we want people on that side of the harbour to ask themselves: am I a Bears fan or a Sea Eagles fan?

This is exactly the rationale behind the Bears bid based on the NRL's disatisfaction that people in northern Sydney/Central Coast don't have ready access to an NRL stadium, or a team they will support. Because both sets of supporters are mutually exclusive, there is no dilution of fan base.

Hence the Bears won't take anything away from Manly, only strengthen them through competition in the desire for bragging rights as the more successful north of the harbour. Add potential marketing spin-offs for the clubs, nrl and TV and there are no losers.

It is better for the Bears if Manly stays put, and its better for Manly if the Bears come in.

 

[docbrown]

This is exactly the rationale behind the Bears bid based on the NRL's disatisfaction that people in northern Sydney/Central Coast don't have ready access to an NRL stadium, or a team they will support. Because both sets of supporters are mutually exclusive, there is no dilution of fan base.

Hence the Bears won't take anything away from Manly, only strengthen them through competition in the desire for bragging rights as the more successful north of the harbour. Add potential marketing spin-offs for the clubs, nrl and TV and there are no losers.

It is better for the Bears if Manly stays put, and its better for Manly if the Bears come in.

The more talk there is in Northern Sydney about the Bears & Sea Eagles, the more overall interest in Rugby League as a whole. Ensure there are games at Parramatta, Homebush & Brookvale etc with Bears members getting a discount for away supporters entry and helps boosts other clubs as well. Have that North Sydney Oval heritage match every year and you've got a strong brand.

Let's face it - no other club has really taken advantage of the gaping hole in that part of Sydney. The Central Coast is big enough & passionate enough to deserve its own team. The fact that the Bears can reconnect with North Sydney is the icing on the cake and something only the Bears on the coast can deliver.

I want to see a 3 team cup comp between Newcastle, Central Coast & Manly. 6 games spread out across the year and promoted like hell.

And I say all this as a Newcastle Knights supporter because I can sense the value of having a new rival and what that will do to boost interest in the game along the F3 as well because of the competition. Sure we'll have stories about whose juniors are going to which team but you know what? That's just more stories about Rugby League!

 

[Beowulf]

The more talk there is in Northern Sydney about the Bears & Sea Eagles, the more overall interest in Rugby League as a whole. Ensure there are games at Parramatta, Homebush & Brookvale etc with Bears members getting a discount for away supporters entry and helps boosts other clubs as well. Have that North Sydney Oval heritage match every year and you've got a strong brand.

Let's face it - no other club has really taken advantage of the gaping hole in that part of Sydney. The Central Coast is big enough & passionate enough to deserve its own team. The fact that the Bears can reconnect with North Sydney is the icing on the cake and something only the Bears on the coast can deliver.

I want to see a 3 team cup comp between Newcastle, Central Coast & Manly. 6 games spread out across the year and promoted like hell.

And I say all this as a Newcastle Knights supporter because I can sense the value of having a new rival and what that will do to boost interest in the game along the F3 as well because of the competition. Sure we'll have stories about whose juniors are going to which team but you know what? That's just more stories about Rugby League!

Agree 100% with all that. I like the 3 team cup idea - the more rivalry promos the better. You just have to watch the Jets/Mariners rivalry blossoming and x by 10 for league to see the benefits to all 3 clubs. Parley that into membership drive competitions etc etc...

There will be a Sydney based Bears supporter membership package offering precisely what you say - entry to 7 or 8 games at those stadiums/year plus the Nth Sydney Oval Manly match....aimed at those on the lower nth shore and rest of Sydney (say Chatswood and south) for whom travel to Bluetongue every second week may be a drag.

 

[Loudstrat]

The only way to truly work towards a coherent set of strategic aims is to have it driven from the centre. Not by forcing clubs to move but at least by being proactive in encouraging the relocation of clubs in areas that don't meet the long term strategic plan to areas that do. And that's where this thread started, asking what the NRL could offer a club (in this case Manly) to move to a long term target area (the northern end of SE Qld). From organising funding for new stadiums to lump sum and longer term monetary incentives to co-ordinated Sydney season tickets to maintain the existing fanbase. Ultimately it's still the club's choice but there's nothing wrong with the NRL doing the ground work to pave the way.

Leigh

How does the Northern Beaches NOT meet the NRL strategic plan? FFS there is already a gaping hole on the North Shore in the Bears absence - now you want to make it bigger!. In your rush to plonk teams in new areas you are just taking away from areas already serviced. That is not expansion. That's actually dilution.

The tone of your original post is to move Manly to the Sunshine Coast. By doing so you are saying that the Sunhine Coast people deserve a team and Manly - the most sucessful team in the last 50 years - do not. The Sunshine Coast has slightly more people, but over 1/4 are over 65 - double the rate on the peninsula. There is absolutely no net gain for the move.

There is no blueprint about where teams should be and whether they shouldnt. That is a good thing - it relies solely on market forces to decide where clubs are. These same market forces actually determine their survival. So who is to say who is a target area and who is not?